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AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
April 21 2012 13:43 GMT
#201
The problem is going to be though that I play relatively passive. I play a style that is like 'come at me bro', but doing that style agains ta grandmaster/high master is not going to work, I am afraid. :p
I love.
ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
April 21 2012 13:46 GMT
#202
On April 21 2012 22:43 AdrianHealey wrote:
The problem is going to be though that I play relatively passive. I play a style that is like 'come at me bro', but doing that style agains ta grandmaster/high master is not going to work, I am afraid. :p


Its ok, I havent played long time. Im probably equal to a rank25 or so Master now.
Atleast we'll have some fun and ill probably be able to teach you one or two things after
ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 13:48:00
April 21 2012 13:47 GMT
#203
On April 21 2012 22:40 AdrianHealey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 22:38 ruiyang wrote:
On April 21 2012 22:30 AdrianHealey wrote:
On April 21 2012 22:25 ruiyang wrote:
On April 21 2012 22:12 AdrianHealey wrote:
I want to say that as a mid plat european times two myself I could beat someone like Idra or whatever.

One part of my 6 pools and drone all in. That should do sufficient amount of damage so the other can just speedling all in with macro hatch. No?


Sounds sufficient. Want to try out some games? Ur belgium, theres another dutch "nicknamed geen" that posted 1 page before that is platinum. I can play every evening between 22:30-02:00 CET (Im dutch)


I can play tomorrow evening between 22:30 and 02:00 (I have to work tonight.)

What's your league?



Placement match. Havent played actively around 3?? or more months. But I play a game now and then, or sometimes a few days with friends. My old ACTIVE league (season 4 i think?) was topmaster/low grand master. Used to play for Team Antwerp Aces (belgium team) under nickname Shinigami. Was just a noob trying to be good ^^, but like I said before, in the past I was able to win vs 2 platinum friends most of the time. Ill warm up tonight and play u 2mrw then!


Sounds cool. So you'll be a terran?

Does the other platinum person need to be zerg as well? Or can we mix races?


I prefer zerg, but terran is fine as well. You can play mix and any strategy you want. We'll see

P.S. lets stop spamming thread and go to PMs instead.
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
April 21 2012 13:51 GMT
#204
dont believe so, but it really borderlines around diamond tbh. myself being a master have taken down 2 golds before without great difficulty.
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
April 21 2012 14:03 GMT
#205
It depends, i guess. Double Sixpool would be really hard to stop i guess. Also every other kind of really early cheese.

If the pro comes to midgame, he has a pretty good shot i think. Due to his superior multitasking, he can drop and harass and stuff.

In the lategame if the 2players can max out, then the pro is pretty much fucked again.. obviously.
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria854 Posts
April 21 2012 14:21 GMT
#206
I am sure me and my friend ( both never passed platinum, we never actually tried to ) with decent BW(both around B 1v1) and WC3 ( won some town event in 2v2 + numerous top100 ladder placements )experience would win 10 out of 10 vs any pro on standart 4 player maps without using verbal communication with rushes( not worker rushes ).
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
April 21 2012 14:32 GMT
#207
Just out of curiosity ( and im in no way trying to start a sc2/bw debate), what are the chances of a BW pro to win 2v1 in BW? And what rank is the maximum the 2 players can be untill they start winning vs him? I imagine micro has a lot more impact in BW and should give the pro a lot more edge over his opponents if they decide to rush him.
sorry for dem one liners
Wurstbrot
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany89 Posts
April 21 2012 14:53 GMT
#208
If the opponents understood the bacis of sc2 and have some basic mechanics it should be nearly impossible. 2x 3rax or 2x 4gate.... just not possible to hold - or even 2x SCV rush :D
Swagtacular
Profile Joined March 2011
United States101 Posts
April 21 2012 14:53 GMT
#209
i 1v2 my friends all the time. They are silver/gold/plat and im high masters. i can beat silver+gold everytime but i can beat plat+gold a lot only with zerg eventhough my main is toss (spines/transfuse so gosu with queen infestor broodlord raping their tier 2 armies).
also ive found the best way to win is to do a heavy econ build but quick into mass low tier units for defense with strong mutitasking that keeps them in their base. (ie as zerg fast 3 base into muta ling with spines for defense or 1 gate core double fe into 8 gates into robo warp prisms).
but it usually comes done to them not knowing how to react in crisis management. so when another of my friends, also masters, tells them what to do, i can never win.
IIIOmegaIII
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden319 Posts
April 21 2012 15:10 GMT
#210
lol... gotta love how ppl are acting up with serious analysis on what lvls a pro player can win... first of, u cant generalise a league, the range of skill in any league is huge. second off, there is no empirical proofs on how good a any pro player would do in a 1v2 so stop stating facts as if they were true based on ur gut feelings ._.
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
April 21 2012 15:50 GMT
#211
Well; we will have some data tomorrow.
I love.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 16:06:28
April 21 2012 16:03 GMT
#212
It was an old dream of the LR threads to see Nestea vs 7 low bronze players. We would call the show "Seven Samurai".

The main problem is we really need legit absolute beginners, who just got out of the Practice League with great difficulty and bad record. (something like 2GD)

If even one of them is actually slightly beginning to understand the game, then it won't work, cause he would command the others to make units and attack early together.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
April 21 2012 16:15 GMT
#213
What's average? Plat? Gold? I think on the right 2v2 map, a pro-gamer could take out two gold players who think they understand the game, but the higher the rank of these average players, the less likely our pro-gamer is to win. Obviously.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Zoesan
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 16:39:19
April 21 2012 16:24 GMT
#214
On April 21 2012 21:19 ruiyang wrote:
To those platinum players that say otherwise. Fast reality check. Check your last replay. Check at what timing you start your first drone/scv. I personally have never seen a plat make a worker and sent them within first 5 ingame seconds. Ive been a platinum aswell, as everyone and trust me, there is a HUGE difference in timings. Only by followIng a pro build first 10min u can become a diamond/low master. Even at high master level my builds are never as optimum as pros even in first 10min of game.


at 1 second. every game of my last 15.

And of course we don't play like gm, but hitting a certain timing really isn't fucking hard, when you're not being harassed.

Ok, I'm uploading a replay with a 1 second first scv, 18 second 2nd scv and 70+ food at 80 minutes.

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 21 2012 16:47 GMT
#215
When I was in GM I used to go nearly even, barely sub 50% vs a plat/gold combo, who were my roommates.
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
April 21 2012 16:57 GMT
#216
Any pro would just lose against two players who can play a standard macro game (probably high plat low diamond area or maybe lower depending on the region).

The combined army size would constantly at least double the pros at all points in the game, and even amazing micro would be futile.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
knightwulf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada174 Posts
April 21 2012 17:01 GMT
#217
This should be added to op. This video first got me interested into Sc2 and then this lead me to gsl and then two months later i bought the game. 1 pro vs 3 noobs( they all had some rts experience)

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6323335/bleep-bloop-starcraft-1-pro-vs-3-n00bs
Zoesan
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland141 Posts
April 21 2012 17:13 GMT
#218
The players there weren't plat level, I doubt they'd even be silver right now.
Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 17:29:07
April 21 2012 17:27 GMT
#219
I personally did and won a 1vs3 and a 1vs2 against bronze/gold players, and I'm mid dia.
it only depends of the skill of the opponents. Because there is huge range of variety of skills in plat, we can't say for sure that the pro will win or lose, so many different results can come. a pro can have maybe a 30% winrate vs 2 plats. But this pure speculation and I hope we'll never find out (don't want a pro to play a huge sample of games against 2 plat just for the sake of the statistic)
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
April 21 2012 17:53 GMT
#220
On April 21 2012 23:53 Swagtacular wrote:
i 1v2 my friends all the time. They are silver/gold/plat and im high masters. i can beat silver+gold everytime but i can beat plat+gold a lot only with zerg eventhough my main is toss (spines/transfuse so gosu with queen infestor broodlord raping their tier 2 armies).
also ive found the best way to win is to do a heavy econ build but quick into mass low tier units for defense with strong mutitasking that keeps them in their base. (ie as zerg fast 3 base into muta ling with spines for defense or 1 gate core double fe into 8 gates into robo warp prisms).
but it usually comes done to them not knowing how to react in crisis management. so when another of my friends, also masters, tells them what to do, i can never win.


Do you think of the players you were playing against did some sort of super early cheese (e.g proxy rax\Xpool\proxy 2 gate) that you would be able to hold it off though? As far as i can see it, the later and more chaoitic the game becomes the more a pro has a chance. But so early in the game, there is only so much you can do to get a lead.
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