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Kenshi235
United States34 Posts
Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them. Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:07 Kenshi235 wrote: I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive. Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them. Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit. The problem is, korean terrans just destroy protoss at tournaments like GSL. They gotta balance for the highest level of play. | ||
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Kenshi235
United States34 Posts
That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T. Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games. No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true. How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?" | ||
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Maxd11
United States680 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:07 Kenshi235 wrote: I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP late game is actually fair. Either Buff terrans late game or make P's late game much more micro intensive. Yeah thats why I'll always be hating Protoss b/c late game is literally unfair. No other issue is so blatantly obvious and broken than this. Theres a reason I see T only 20% of game on ladder over 200 games played recently. Theres also a reason all high masters random players agree TvP is hardest, but PvT not hard for them. Again nobody will listen b/c the truth is drowned out by the cries of the ignorant masses complaining about stupid other shit. Exactly this. That said, I don't hate anyone for it I just deal with it. | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
I enjoy TvT not because I like the match up but I love to see Terrans trying to blow eachother up...win/win! And what's bad about hating a certain race....I mean you are trying to kill them. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:43 Maxd11 wrote: Exactly this. That said, I don't hate anyone for it I just deal with it. And protosses can easily say "I'll stop hating Protoss when TvP early mid game is actually fair." I think the hate comes from abusive builds at the mid levels of ladder. Stop mass muta as P in diamond? Not going to happen. Kill a P deathball as T/Z in plat (or Z deathball as T)? Hopefully you are happy with 10% success. Stop a 1/1/1 as P before masters? Good luck with that. I play as random, but when I watch pro games, when I see a 1/1/1, I want the P to hold it (because I can't). When I see the zerg just massing up mutas, I instantly want that player to lose. I want to see that protoss deathball die to the bio army, I want to see the BL/infestor comp get destroyed by the P/T player. I can image if I only played one race how quickly I would hate all zergs because they can so easily mass up mutas and roll over me on ladder, and so on. | ||
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KrsOne
United States64 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:26 Kenshi235 wrote: Maybe they should change the way Protoss works so P HAS to micro. This will help solve issue at masters lvl AND give pros more options for things they can do better in fights at highest lvl. That way both races can try to reach their maximum potential with micro. Currently the best and worst thing about Protoss is there is little micro involved relative to T. Balance matters across all levels, that is why they nerfed void rays. If all the active players on ladder only have PvX, ZvX, the game will be less enjoyable and find less reason to WATCH high level games. No RTS makes sense if 1 race (terran) has to react to everything Z and P make past 10-15 mins for 90% of all games, while the Z/P gets to dip and dap into w/e unit composition they want to "throw off Terran". It should be a 2-way street and 90% of time it is not. Part of this is due to metagame, but its still sickeningly true. How many games do u have where the P lost b/c he "didn't see battlecruisers or sky terran or mech transition coming?" i feel like this quote basically sums up my thoughts and frustrations | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On April 19 2012 12:08 darthfoley wrote: i feel like this quote basically sums up my thoughts and frustrations I'd like to piggyback on this point, and say that this is starting to happen in TvZ as well, at least for me. After ~12-15 minutes, the zerg just seems to control the whole game with their hive tech. Infestor/broodlord is too strong IMO, and if you don't do something weird like a base trade or manage to drop 3 places at once and kill a lot of shit with the drops, it seems impossible to win an engagement well enough to do a counter attack. Even if you do manage to kill the zerg army off, they'll usually have banked resources and will just remax again, while your army is left in shambles. Also, since terran can't remax as quickly as zerg or toss, we have no way to put pressure back on the other guy lategame. | ||
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DemonDeacon
United States158 Posts
Naturally, people facing another person on the ladder will often fall for these impulses and attribute their success to skill and their failings to imbalance. Also, it doesn't help that there are trolls online constantly pissing everyone off and the current ladder system which makes rising up in the ranks almost addicting. I will admit that I get 10x more angry when I lose on the ladder than when I lose in a custom game. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Or is it embedded within the SC community from the roots? its embedded into humanity from the roots whenever someone becomes a fan of something, anything they label as a rival or enemy gets nothing but hate jsut ask some of the serious sports fans what they think about the other teams | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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Ragados
30 Posts
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
Its just people blaming other people for things that are their own fault. Story of the universe | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On April 19 2012 12:58 RodrigoX wrote: The only reason this thought exists, the only reason people hate other people's races is that they find their respective matchup hard or stupid. People want to blame the player or the race for the own difficulty in whatever matchup, so this is where this race hate comes from. Its just people blaming other people for things that are their own fault. Story of the universe I agree with this. Blizzard will take care of the balance. Whining on the forums isnt going to make you any better. | ||
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
I'm a good example myself of what I think is wrong with the culture. I can meet other Terrans on ladder and start venting about how easy this or that race is, despite knowing the fault of losing certain games is all mine. I just think people feel a big temporary relief by blaming another race, but in the end it's a vicious circle, because you don't fix your mistakes, and next game you make the same mistake, and just get more and more frustrated. I think that the game is pretty well balanced, but I'd just wish some things were harder, so it'd be easier to see how much you fucked up. Sometimes it just seems impossible to beat this or that, and that's when I really start giving up on the game and go on massive tilt. :-p | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
I think that it is YOU who needs to take a step back, OP, and realise that this is just a game, and a bunch of people insulting eachother over race choice really isn't an issue at all. It's something to be embraced! | ||
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