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eonDE
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada371 Posts
April 16 2013 03:08 GMT
#241
Just curious, why do you have a double helix as part of the logo? =P
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
April 16 2013 05:53 GMT
#242
It's supposed to be symbolic of the makeup and segments of our industry and it looks like a cool ladder.

On April 16 2013 12:08 eonDE wrote:
Just curious, why do you have a double helix as part of the logo? =P

ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
April 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#243
SirScoots today on the show! 17:00 EST / 23:00 CEST

We're taking topic suggestions from the viewers/community so be sure to post them here. Hope to see you guys!
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
April 29 2013 17:21 GMT
#244
FYI Robert Ohlen (Dreamhack CEO) and Ryan Schutter (Creator of Gameheart) on this weeks show. Lots of Dreamhack stockholm and Gameheart UI talk!
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 02 2013 17:14 GMT
#245
Get your Dreamhack and Gameheart questions ready today!
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 03 2013 06:55 GMT
#246
Episode from yesterday with Roberty Ohlen and Ryan Schutter

ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 09 2013 16:16 GMT
#247
The long awaited map making community episode is today! We have guests Jesse "Plexa" Hart (from TL.net), Alec "TimeTwister" Cooper (ESV), and John "SigmaFiE" Emerson (DreamForge). Going talk about the impact of maps on SC2, challenges they are facing right now getting their maps seen and played, and what the future holds for map makers.

Going to be a good one!
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
May 09 2013 16:23 GMT
#248
Cool!
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
May 09 2013 17:47 GMT
#249
will be watching
SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 10 2013 20:56 GMT
#250
VOD from yestereday's show about the SC2 Map Making Community

cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
May 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#251
Im currently listening to the map making episode...... and it's horrific. I'm usually a fan of the show, but i really think you should go back and listen to this yourself and think about what went wrong.

A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much.

Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps.

Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that?

at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh.

"if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent.

Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it.
Richard_Lewis
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom446 Posts
May 13 2013 19:32 GMT
#252
On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote:Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.


if you actually watch the show back that isn't a point I make. I say pretty much the opposite.

Sorry you didn't enjoy the show. I personally thought it was good and highlighted a very important area for the game's development. Each to their own I suppose.
Editor In Chief of www.cadred.org
SigmaFiE
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States333 Posts
May 13 2013 21:28 GMT
#253
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote:
Im currently listening to the map making episode...... and it's horrific. I'm usually a fan of the show, but i really think you should go back and listen to this yourself and think about what went wrong.

A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much.

Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps.

Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that?

at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh.

"if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent.

Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it.


PM me and I would be more than happy to have a non-hasty discussion about maps with you.
https://johnemerson.artstation.com/
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 14 2013 03:36 GMT
#254
On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote:
Im currently listening to the map making episode...... and it's horrific. I'm usually a fan of the show, but i really think you should go back and listen to this yourself and think about what went wrong.

A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much.

Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps.

Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that?

at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh.

"if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent.

Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it.


That's too bad you didn't enjoy the episode because I thought the discussion was quite productive. Im happy to address some of these things you mentioned though.

Talking over each other is going to happen when you have 6 people with a lot of thoughts and ideas that we have to get out in 2 hours and I didn't mind the dynamic in that regard. Sound levels I agree were not optimal and it had mostly to do with me barely making back in time for the show and us not having time for an adequate sound check so that was definitely on me.

As for addressing everything else generally, yes Blizzard holds the solutions to everything that map makers need. But the reality is these things will not happen because Blizzard has other things prioritized that they are focused on and in some ways they don't want to be involved in this map maker/tourney organizer dynamic. So you can either just wait around and hope Blizzard one day fixes everything for everybody, or you can do more incremental things as a map maker (ie having your map player in smaller tourneys for play testing and future data points, getting exposure as a map maker, etc.) and proactively provide data that will help in this endeavor. The map makers are trying all kinds of things right now .. no doubt. They just need some support from the community in the form of demand and systematic ways of getting their maps exposure (ie TLMC).

I know you're a long time fan of the show so I know you mean well with all the the feedback and constructive criticism so I appreciate that.
Lurkki
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland2 Posts
May 23 2013 18:10 GMT
#255
Why there is no show on calendar for today? no unfiltered and now not even climbing the ladder? what is happening to these shows :I
Le fu
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
May 24 2013 02:48 GMT
#256
we had one today ... just was late getting on the calendar today sorry Unfiltered is back next week. We had a scheduling mix up this week so was a bit unexpected not having it this week.

Here's the VOD from today's show with Khaldor

Richard_Lewis
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 08:54:21
May 31 2013 08:53 GMT
#257
Here's the VoD for #56...

Massive guest list for this bumper edition of the show:

Hosts: ChanmanV, John Clark, Richard Lewis
Guest: Michal "Carmac" Blicharz (ESL), Robert Ohlen (Dreamhack), Scott "SirScoots" Smith (SSNN), Cristian "Trance" Tamas (GD Studios), and Elliot Cuite (NASL)
Show Time: 15:00 EST / 21:00 CEST

Timestamps:

3:17 MLG Status of Anaheim for SC2
20:00 Enter Robert Ohlén
27:45 Difference NA vs EU Events
39:00 Enter Carmac
42:50 An In-Depth Look At WCS EU
1:12:08 Enter Scoots, Trance, Elliot - Studio Production
1:14:55 Thoughts on WCS EU Production
1:43:50 Technology Being Used
2:09:41 Guests Asking Each Other Questions
2:29:40 Importance of Audio
2:40:55 More Non-Sports Content
2:56:55 Wrapup and Shoutouts

Editor In Chief of www.cadred.org
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
June 04 2013 06:41 GMT
#258
Thanks Richard!
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 15:53:37
June 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#259
VODs from this week

Part 1



Part 2





Audio version
https://archive.org/download/ClimbingTheLadderPodcast/ClimbingTheLadder-057.mp3
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
June 13 2013 16:24 GMT
#260
Artosis is our guest tonight. We'll be talking more about the business side of casting and building a brand as a successful caster. Get pumped! ^^
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