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DigitalDevil
219 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:06 hegeo wrote: I'm wondering - did they ever say they couldn't? I don't think so. Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. | ||
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latan
740 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On April 13 2012 14:41 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Sorry but I don't remember WC3 having that...? What do you mean? I didn't follow WC3 but in DotA there are like, periodic pauses for saves that can be loaded later. | ||
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
And AFAIK this tech isn't something new. I remember clicking around like an idiot in AOE2 while watching "recorded games" and I end up controlling the units + production facilities. Might be a bug or it could be intentional, but I never bothered to find out. I remember that from AOE 2. For me at least it was super buggy, though. and would crash the program a lot... so maybe not the best example. | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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hegeo
Germany194 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:11 DigitalDevil wrote: Who cares if they ever said they could or couldn't? The fact that it's not implemented speaks for itself, and if it is technically this easy to implement, then there is unlikely to be good justification to not have it implemented. Blizz is either lazy or incompetent. One should care for what they said (or didn't) if one wants to understand. Do you _really_ think they wouldn't already have implemented it before if they wanted to? They are neither lazy nor incompetent. They just have other plans. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Personally, I don't have use for this. It's obviously not useful on ladder until blizz does it themselves, and if I want to practice with a friend I will use 'SALT' instead (which isn't quite the same thing, I know). However, as "a demonstration of how easy it is to implement technically" it is superb work, well done. | ||
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Humposaurus
Netherlands86 Posts
On April 13 2012 14:38 mrRoflpwn wrote: guy with 1 post posts download links, expects people to actually believe him. Like a guy with 10.000 posts can't post virusses? | ||
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LazinCajun
United States294 Posts
On April 13 2012 14:14 Severian wrote: Pfft. In the time it took you to write that program, Blizzard could have easily made chat windows resizable in both the x and y dimensions. I almost spit my drink all over my monitor when I read this. | ||
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IronMonocle
Canada142 Posts
Can't find the post since blizzard made changes to their forums so maybe it's gone. | ||
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DigitalDevil
219 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:22 hegeo wrote: One should care for what they said (or didn't) if one wants to understand. Do you _really_ think they wouldn't already have implemented it before if they wanted to? They are neither lazy nor incompetent. They just have other plans. Blizzard can make mistakes. This is one of them. I'm a programmer myself so it's not like I don't understand it can take time to implement features. But you're seriously defending Blizzard when one programmer can implement a feature that is highly requested within a few days? If Blizzard feels this is not high on their priority, then that can only reflect incompetence albeit in a different sense. Seriously, someone was able to write a hack that hooks onto the game while Blizzard has the actual source code to the game itself which should be WAY simpler to modify. | ||
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memcpy
United States459 Posts
To all the skeptics: He posted the source code... if you don't trust it then look at the source and build it yourself or wait for someone else to do it for you. Just took a look myself and it seems fine. Building it now. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:20 Dalguno wrote: This could be used in some pretty neat ways. Say you felt like a game was going really well, but you made a decision that you think lost it. Get the other guy to go back, make the alternate decision, and see how it plays out. Could be cool. I think it would be funnier if done on the ladder. PM some random guy after a game and be like "Nono wait a second let me try that again" | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:41 DigitalDevil wrote: Blizzard can make mistakes. This is one of them. I'm a programmer myself so it's not like I don't understand it can take time to implement features. But you're seriously defending Blizzard when one programmer can implement a feature that is highly requested within a few days? If Blizzard feels this is not high on their priority, then that can only reflect incompetence albeit in a different sense. Seriously, someone was able to write a hack that hooks onto the game while Blizzard has the actual source code to the game itself which should be WAY simpler to modify. Nowhere in the OP did he say it only took a few days. I'm still skeptical that this allows players to continue playing against each other and not just one resuming a replay. I'll wait for confirmation on that. edit: For example, what does the game client do when someone wins a resumed replay? Records of wins/losses (even customs) are recorded server-side - so some reporting must take place. If the server has no record of the game being created then.... what? | ||
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DigitalDevil
219 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:49 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Nowhere in the OP did he say it only took a few days. I'm still skeptical that this allows players to continue playing against each other and not just one resuming a replay. I'll wait for confirmation on that. edit: For example, what does the game client do when someone wins a resumed replay? Records of wins/losses (even customs) are recorded server-side - so some reporting must take place. If the server has no record of the game being created then.... what? You're right, he didn't. But it certainly seems like so given the timing. | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
I'm not sure how it works with multiplayer. Do 2 people use the program at once or what? On April 13 2012 14:31 jeeneeus wrote: Well hasn't SALT been out for a while? Blizzard hasn't done anything regarding using this function. SALT doesn't save things like spells or larva count. This doesn't need a special map and can be used retroactively. We could even play back MKP VS Parting in a $500 showmatch to see who would really have won the game. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:56 DeltruS wrote: I've tried it out. I really can't believe it works. Basically it just plays out the replay really fast while you have control. So you can move 1 drone and it breaks the rest of the playback. I'm not sure how it works with multiplayer. Do 2 people use the program at once or what? SALT doesn't save things like spells or larva count. This doesn't need a special map and can be used retroactively. We could even play back MKP VS Parting in a $500 showmatch to see who would really have won the game. But MKP vs Parting was already replayed  | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On April 13 2012 15:55 DigitalDevil wrote: You're right, he didn't. But it certainly seems like so given the timing. People have been talking about this for months... | ||
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