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The_DarkAngelz
Brazil221 Posts
On April 19 2012 23:56 nvs. wrote: They won't. They will just add a few cool looking units and cross their fingers I think. That's silly... most people that i know that does not play anymore said that the problem is the unit's dps, some battles ends ins matter of seconds, too bad =/ | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
That would be something to behold. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On April 19 2012 23:56 nvs. wrote: They won't. They will just add a few cool looking units and cross their fingers I think. But if they add a decent Custom game interface we might see a user made version of SC2. Especially because they will integrate 3D Studio Max and that should help a ton with gettin your ideas out into the game. I think there are a lot of people with very cool ideas that should be tried out. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
I still think that after legacy of the void, the game would be awesome...ish But we are still far from that In the meantime lets just complain about the game and how to make that happen haha | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 20 2012 00:14 NukeD wrote: But if they add a decent Custom game interface we might see a user made version of SC2. Especially because they will integrate 3D Studio Max and that should help a ton with gettin your ideas out into the game. I think there are a lot of people with very cool ideas that should be tried out. All that would do is split the community for what custom they prefer. Which would leave the community divided like cd 1.6 and css | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
also, you want to get rid of ball vs ball combat? here's the fix, make every AoE ability do the same damage to friendly targets too.. (baneling chain reactions, hellions must be in the front, fungal hits your own unit, just imagine zvz with friendly fire, it would make it so fun) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 19 2012 23:24 HeroMystic wrote: You're right, but your example is too situational as well. When Protoss is going up against roaches, at the beginning of the game, the Immortal's hardened shields is favorable, but at the same time it doesn't make up for the fact that the Immortal cannot be massed, which is very unlike Stalkers -and- Zealots. Not only can the Immortal not be warped in via Gateway, but Zealots are actually stronger tanks if only because they can be massed, but it's not only that. It's also because they're good tanks on almost anything that isn't powerful vs Light units (Hellions, Banelings), and they get the strongest benefit out of Sentry's guardian shield. In the mid game the Immortal's hardened shield stops to matter because there's simply too many roaches for it to really matter, not to mention the Hydras as well (which nullifies Zealots pretty hard as well). At that point Range(Colossus) and mobility(Stalker) matters more, which is something the Immortal lacks. The main "problem" with the immortal is that they cost a mint. For the same price and supply as one immortal and a sentry, a protoss player could have a colossi(excluding the cost of the support bay). Immortals are bad ass when you have them, but losing four of them is almost like losing two or three colossi. That with them being super slow and bad at fighting pure mineral units(zealots, lings and marines), they are more of a risk early in the game. They are an awesome unit, but their burst damage is only so effective. I was suprised they were not getting some sort of upgrade option in HotS, but they may be a lower risk with the nexus recall ability. I would like to see more immortals and stargate play out of my protoss, they just need to make the units worth their crazy build times. | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
On April 20 2012 00:49 Endymion wrote: blizzard needs to bring back stepps of war and incineration zone (also the old high temple so that terrans can drop thors on the cliff) also, you want to get rid of ball vs ball combat? here's the fix, make every AoE ability do the same damage to friendly targets too.. (baneling chain reactions, hellions must be in the front, fungal hits your own unit, just imagine zvz with friendly fire, it would make it so fun) Imagine TvZ with those changes, it would be an absolute nightmare  | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On April 20 2012 00:49 Endymion wrote: blizzard needs to bring back stepps of war and incineration zone (also the old high temple so that terrans can drop thors on the cliff) also, you want to get rid of ball vs ball combat? here's the fix, make every AoE ability do the same damage to friendly targets too.. (baneling chain reactions, hellions must be in the front, fungal hits your own unit, just imagine zvz with friendly fire, it would make it so fun) That would just result in those units not being used. In the case of infestors it doesn't really matter, as you cast them in a fashion that doesn't hit your own units anyway. You usually fungal, and then run in with your shit. Apart from that, it'd probably just result in units not being used. I don't think anyone would risk having a zergling baneling ball, in case a ghost would snipe off a baneling and set off the fireworks :/ Pretty cool idea though. I'd like to see a couple of pro games with funky mods. More TL attacks! | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On April 20 2012 00:49 Endymion wrote: also, you want to get rid of ball vs ball combat? here's the fix, make every AoE ability do the same damage to friendly targets too.. (baneling chain reactions, hellions must be in the front, fungal hits your own unit, just imagine zvz with friendly fire, it would make it so fun) That would be glorious | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
that would be super dumb. ZvZ would be a shit show early game | ||
FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On April 20 2012 00:08 CruelZeratul wrote: It's more unit AI and pathfinding than to much DPS what makes the fights so short. A tankline in BW would obliterate everything in seconds if an army as clumped up as a SC2 army would show up. yeah when people talk about stopped playing because armies dieing in seconds, they actually mean they are not good enough to play the game, at the level they want to play it. In Bw in TvZ 1/3 of the zerg army died before the engagement. And while your army didn't formed a ball when moving over the map, they formed a line and if you meet some marines on the way it looked pretty funny how your units died one by one. Not moving around in a deathball is pretty simply i must say, though its a bit harder then in bw. But moving around as a deathball in bw was way harder on the other hand. But the dps really isn't the problem, the dps is actually way lower then in bw and units have more hp. But sc2 makes up for the bad dps, with smartfire and autosurround, which does increase effectiveness of instant hit ranged units and melee, but is horrible for projectile units fireing at the same time. You could really see from the beta, that they wanted people to use magic boxing everywhere, they didn't and Blizzard adjusted the game to this by changing up almost all aoes. | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
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tsango
Australia214 Posts
Generally speaking though i feel they shouldnt be trying too hard to create units which are designed overly specifically to fill a niche role, What makes starcraft great is the meta game shifting and people discovering new and unique ways to use units. I'm a firm believer that as long as units are competitive on cost and the game is properly balanced, the players will always look for new cool ways to use the units made available (i certainly will) | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:05 tsango wrote: As a toss player im not too sad to be losing the replicant - with its planned cost of 200/200 the only time i'd have used it would be to make a siege tank to defend a 1-1-1 on a fast expand build (which wouldve been awesome) but that aside its cost really never felt warranted. Change of design on the tempest was the right choice too - its filling the aerial siege niche that the carrier probably should have but didnt. In PvZ, the zerg would just not be able to go infestor ling (+bling), since one replicant as an infestor could take out most of the zerglings (+banelings) with two fungals. Even against roaches, protoss having infestors would kinda shut down a lot for the zerg, thus zerg would not build infestors (maybe until they have brood lords, maybe never). | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On April 19 2012 23:27 0neder wrote: I agree the roach is meh in it's current state, but that burrow regen/move is cool. I'd axe marauders, colossus, and then make roaches one supply again and adjust stats accordingly. Zerg needs more quantity of units in their army (besides lings). This would help that. I would also eliminate combat shield. Marines need a weakness. Their dps and mobility is good enough. I agree absolutely with this, in fact I wished that they maintained the beta-roach in the final version, instead of making a "second marauder/stalker" | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On April 19 2012 21:20 Seiniyta wrote: The roach with burrowing movement is good, I don't think the Roach needs to go. The Marauder ehh, either they remove it's concussive shells and give it something more interesting. (maybe a concussive missle which has a 3 range where there's some aoe slowing going on, but like storm you could slow yourself if you miss) Or just replace it altogether. The collossus either needs to go, or I want a abilty where it can detach the head and crash like a giant baneling againt air units causing massive air AOE splash damage that kills muta's. The roach is a stupid unit... it has such low costs... and is so massable for a fact if you go vs toss on two base and you are on three and he hasnt killed you before 10-11 minutes... how will he win when your 200/200 roach army apprears... On the other hand zvz is so much fun. So fast games and you can micro vs your opponent... but if i play a muta centric style and he goes 3rd base... and just a moves roaches... its pretty sad that your opponent doesnt have to invest any micro (except hitting some fungals or dropping some infested Ts) to kill you when you are apming the shit out of the game... its really just sad. Roach is a stupid unit. | ||
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