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Velr
Switzerland10798 Posts
On April 12 2012 17:57 Osmoses wrote: Holy crap, I actually agree with everything in this dev update. Every single thing. Wow. That's never happened before. You agree with the Terran "even more long range" rocket-launcher-tower thing? SRSLY? | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
We’re also experimenting with some nexus abilities. One example is a mass recall that allows the protoss to be more aggressive. They can move out onto the map with their slower sentry/zealot force and, if things don’t work out, recall the force back to their base if and when things go wrong. Wow...  | ||
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ProxySilmaril
81 Posts
Mhm but why, the mothership was used the last days. Will there be an alternative to play against mass broodlords? | ||
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Acnologia
Australia410 Posts
On April 12 2012 17:57 Osmoses wrote: Holy crap, I actually agree with everything in this dev update. Every single thing. Wow. That's never happened before. just curious, do you play zerg? | ||
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GoooN
217 Posts
This encourages smaller engagements instead of waiting for the deathball and move out. And you probably have to sacrifice Nexus energy on it which means less chronoboost for probes/upgrades etc. So overall a fair trade to make games a bit more interesting (maybe). | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
As a zerg even then he shouldn't be agreeing with everything  (especially mass recall). Eh in general I am still not sure how I feel, I feel they are doing a great job with new zerg units that are actually somewhat good, terran ones are lame and so are toss. Imo anyway. | ||
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fr0d0b0ls0n
Spain51 Posts
For example, the "extremely long-ranged terran missile launcher" can be like nuclear launches, with a pre-warning and travel time, just faster and doing low damage to buildings, making it only useful against slow units. That's invalidates almost all the thinking about it in this thread. And the flying spider mine could be a relatively fast unit like the Scourge, and be able to hit invisible units by collision without detection (like Banshees or Observers). But I'll keep dreaming that some day the Warp In time for Protoss increases by the distance to the nearest Nexus. Yeah, I hate Protoss | ||
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Hider
Denmark9405 Posts
If we keep the Thor, we are currently experimenting with an anti-air spider mine that would give the terrans a way to get some factory-built anti-air into small places that a Thor has trouble reaching (like near your minerals). Whether this is meaningful, considering terrans have marines, is still in question. Compltely boring change imo. I like the idea of having a positional unit/abililty (like the original intention of shredder) and spider mines. Like a weak/cheap/moving (but immobile) planetary | ||
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Hadraziel
Russian Federation114 Posts
I don't think it would be a bad idea to give terran some sort of more affordable nuke on factory tech, real nukes are hardly ever seen in pro matches. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On April 12 2012 17:29 SmileZerg wrote: It sounds like the Blinding Cloud has been changed. Previously it created a "smog tile" that reduced units under it to range 1 but they could micro out. Now it sounds like it hits units in an AoE and they stay blinded (range 1) regardless of where they move for an unknown duration, HOWEVER only bio is affected now. This makes the ability stronger against Terran M&M and zerg roach/hydra armies, but it can no longer be used versus Protoss balls, siege tank lines, mech or bunkered units. This is my understanding anyways. If this is true that basically means we get Infestor #2, with a difference that this one doesnt kill units and works only on bio. Yes I would definitely prefer this ability over fungal when im in the mood for trolling my opponent. First I drain his one mineral then when his marine comes I pull him under me and make him blind then poo creep on him. Then I plant Mushrooms in his main. | ||
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ThumZz
Netherlands70 Posts
 I have the feeling people gonna maybe stick with StarCraft 2 WoL like much didn't move over to Counter strike expansions | ||
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Hider
Denmark9405 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:02 avilo wrote: The shredder was terrible. Trust me. It was a horrible design, even 1 stalker/marine/roach could kill it easily, or it was overwhelmed easily, it was in no way anywhere near what a spider mine is. I know this from experience playing some HOTS custom map before. It was an utterly useless unit, and I knew it would be scrapped. SC2 currently is too fast paced for a visible stationary thing like the shredder that has low range to ever work. All deathballs just simply killed these in less than a split second lol. Terran has the raven for lategame...as well as ghosts...but they nerfed ghosts, so really the raven is something Terran has but HSM needs to be made more accessible by tweaking either the nrg to 100, or to 75 and removing the energy upgrade like they did with templar. That would be ideal. Reapers also are utterly pointless 95% of the time, they should finish WoL before they start trying to add in random HOTS terran units. They did not address mech at all with this update, they actually are saying they want mech to die in TvT with this new siege unit which is hilarious. They also have not addressed lategame TvZ/TvP problems right now, chargelots / broodlord/infestor/corruptor are currently a huge problem for Terran in lategame and they have not tweaked the raven at all in accordance, especially after the ghost nerf. TBH, I thought they were going to nerf warp-in by now so that protoss offensive all-ins are not easy to do and you'd instead have to make a warp prism, but looks like they are going to try to make HOTS the cure all for WoL problems. I think you give to much weight on the exact unit stats of the shredder, instead of just the idea of the shredder. The shredder could definitely work if tweaked right so it would become an extremely cost efficient unit against large armies 1a'ing through it. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10798 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:23 Velr wrote: Like a PF? na, more like a bigass, gasintensive, immobile, splash canon used to defend an area. oh wait... | ||
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SmileZerg
United States543 Posts
On April 12 2012 17:32 Disastorm wrote: Ah I understand now. Interesting, I think it sounds really good against marines now, but wont affect tanks so I'm not sure which is better. Well Abduct is still available to deal with tanks. I think it's a good change, because previously the blinding cloud was always better against tanks and there was no need for abduct except versus colossi. I did like the micro factor of the opponent being able to move out of the cloud though... we'll see how it develops. | ||
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SmileZerg
United States543 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:37 SmileZerg wrote: Well Abduct is still available to deal with tanks. I think it's a good change, because previously the blinding cloud was always better against tanks and there was no need for abduct except versus colossi. I did like the micro factor of the opponent being able to move out of the cloud though... we'll see how it develops. it depends a lot on how those things interact exactly. The Blinding could be permanent (or very long), but healed off. Blinding could be timed. Blinding could still be some form of cloud spell. Blinding could work completly differently (channeling...) The Developers Update doesn't give a lot of information on this topic. Just that right now, there is an AoE spell that blinds bio units. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:37 SmileZerg wrote: Well Abduct is still available to deal with tanks. I think it's a good change, because previously the blinding cloud was always better against tanks and there was no need for abduct except versus colossi. I did like the micro factor of the opponent being able to move out of the cloud though... we'll see how it develops. What is there to develop? Why would you ever choose blinding units over simply killing them with fungal? EDIT: Offcourse its a whole different story if the cloud actually stays on the ground and is much more interesting and meaningfull that way. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:20 ThumZz wrote: I don't like this , its sounds like a over the top expansion I have the feeling people gonna maybe stick with StarCraft 2 WoL like much didn't move over to Counter strike expansionsNo, once the game is officially released, all tournaments MUST eventually switch. | ||
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SmileZerg
United States543 Posts
On April 12 2012 18:45 NukeD wrote: What is there to develop? Why would you ever choose blinding units over simply killing them with fungal? EDIT: Offcourse its a whole different story if the cloud actually stays on the ground and is much more interesting and meaningfull that way. Because units can shoot while fungaled and be healed by medivacs to negate the damage. Also infestors are vulnerable to siege tanks, and vipers are not. I would much rather blind a large group of marines and charge my zerglings in than try to chainfungal them all to death. | ||
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