On March 31 2012 10:10 Champi wrote: Taking legal action over a troll in a chatbox? fucking PATHETIC!
ban the idiot and move on with your life =/
Maybe she figures it's easier to sue one idiot than to ban 20 every week.
It's a complete non sequitur to sue someone or send them to jail. Banning is the only appropriate action.
She's not sending anyone to jail. Only the courts can do that. BTW, not sure how it's a non sequitur. A non sequitur is a statement that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.
Never said she's sending him to jail. BTW, why does jailing/suing have anything to do with messages on a chat board? in other words, why is it not a non sequitur?
I assumed "to sue someone or send them to jail" had the same subject (Jessica). I'll stop doing that and just ask you to rephrase your original point, because at this point I have no idea what you meant.
On March 31 2012 10:31 FuTon wrote: No, this is not funny, this is a criminal offence in Republic of Korea. And Jessica is not a drama queen. She's just a good citizen who practices her constitutional rights.
According to Korean Defamation Law, I quote" South Korean defamation law protects the constitutional right of individuals against abuses of the right to freedom of expression.12 Sanctions for defaming any individual, including government and other public officials are available under both civil and criminal legislation. In Korea, defamation is a criminal offence under Article 307 of the Criminal Code, and an „unlawful act under the Civil Code". Source: + Show Spoiler +
Being a law doesn't exempt it from me thinking it's stupid.
So what's your point? Jessica shouldn't use the law to defend herself, even if it's on her side? Or just that the law should be changed?
Both of those statements are good points. A moral person would not enforce an unjust law. Further they should work to tear down the law.
I assumed "to sue someone or send them to jail" had the same subject (Jessica). I'll stop doing that and just ask you to rephrase your original point, because at this point I have no idea what you meant.
It was pretty clear. I'll try again: sueing or jailing is inappropriate for sending messages over the internet. A ban counters what the person was doing.
On March 31 2012 10:31 FuTon wrote: No, this is not funny, this is a criminal offence in Republic of Korea. And Jessica is not a drama queen. She's just a good citizen who practices her constitutional rights.
According to Korean Defamation Law, I quote" South Korean defamation law protects the constitutional right of individuals against abuses of the right to freedom of expression.12 Sanctions for defaming any individual, including government and other public officials are available under both civil and criminal legislation. In Korea, defamation is a criminal offence under Article 307 of the Criminal Code, and an „unlawful act under the Civil Code". Source: + Show Spoiler +
Being a law doesn't exempt it from me thinking it's stupid.
So what's your point? Jessica shouldn't use the law to defend herself, even if it's on her side? Or just that the law should be changed?
she doesnt have to defend herself with such drastic actions when there are easier ways
its like burning down your whole house when you could ahve jsut hired an exterminator
It's just a difference of perspectives. In Korea, it's not seen as that drastic of an action when dealing with trolls and it's actually sort of encouraged.
On March 31 2012 10:35 Kira__ wrote: This " internet trolling " needs to be stopped. Internet slander and abuse should not be OK just because you're somewhat anonymous. If you'd put on a mask and went out on the streets to harass and insult random people, you'd get arrested faster than you could say "i did it for the lulz"
That is why I think Korea has taken steps, they actually make it mandatory for you to register with your Korea ID anywhere online. Meaning you aren't really anonymous online in Korea. This is how they are able to prosecute people there.
On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote: I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica. The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole.
ah, the freedom of speech.
if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance.
or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote: I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica. The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole.
ah, the freedom of speech.
if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance.
or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach.
On March 31 2012 10:31 FuTon wrote: No, this is not funny, this is a criminal offence in Republic of Korea. And Jessica is not a drama queen. She's just a good citizen who practices her constitutional rights.
According to Korean Defamation Law, I quote" South Korean defamation law protects the constitutional right of individuals against abuses of the right to freedom of expression.12 Sanctions for defaming any individual, including government and other public officials are available under both civil and criminal legislation. In Korea, defamation is a criminal offence under Article 307 of the Criminal Code, and an „unlawful act under the Civil Code". Source: + Show Spoiler +
Being a law doesn't exempt it from me thinking it's stupid.
So what's your point? Jessica shouldn't use the law to defend herself, even if it's on her side? Or just that the law should be changed?
she doesnt have to defend herself with such drastic actions when there are easier ways
its like burning down your whole house when you could ahve jsut hired an exterminator
I think her actions are more then justified. certainly within her legal system. I think some people here are taking internet tolls with less blame then they should be given. Why can you not say these things in public but can over the internet? You're the same person sending the same message.
On March 31 2012 10:08 masakenji wrote: i don't know why people are so against this.
are you all closet trollers? XD
i remember a few years ago, a pit manager told a croupier. "i wanna hit your ass" she went to the union and he got demoted, and shunned by his peers.
WELL DESERVED!
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
-Voltaire
"A witty saying proves nothing."
-same guy.
The paper he wrote that famous quote in contains plenty of explanation for why he believed that. Have you read it? It's not just a witty saying. It's well supported, I would argue.
I'm well aware of the philosophy of freedom of speech, and I'm all for it; this, however, is a matter of defamation and/or threats, which is beyond the realm of freedom of speech. Even America has this distinction.
Absolutely. I think you may have misunderstood my position on this issue. Considering Jessica's celebrity status, it is completely reasonable for her to take any and all threats seriously and sue for them. On this issue of defamation, I feel that it would be fairly difficult to prove in this case that defamation occurred, but if she can, then more power to her. In this particular instance, I believe that Jessica is justified in her actions if these conditions are met. The reason that I disagreed with you in the beginning was because you said that trolls should be uh...extinct? or something along those lines. That is what I disagree with.
I never said anything such thing. I've done my fair share of harmless trolling.
Oh I'm sorry. I forgot how the thread of the conversation actually went. A post by "exempt" said :
"it isn't ridiculous. This mentality has to end. Someday these people will slowly be purged from existence. The question is, will we have to horrible laws like Sopa to get it over with?"
And I used the sticks and stones saying to express my disagreement with this. You replied to my sticks and stones post and called that saying bullshit.
Sorry. It was exempt that I had such a large disagreement with. As far as our conversation went, I just disagreed with your statement that the "sticks and stones" saying is nonsense, which lead to an argument about the boundaries of free speech. OKAY. Got it. I got a bit tangled up in the conversation lines so I confused you for somebody else. Sorry.
On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote: I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica. The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole.
ah, the freedom of speech.
if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance.
or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach.
can you change your location to a different country please?
On March 31 2012 10:08 masakenji wrote: i don't know why people are so against this.
are you all closet trollers? XD
i remember a few years ago, a pit manager told a croupier. "i wanna hit your ass" she went to the union and he got demoted, and shunned by his peers.
WELL DESERVED!
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
-Voltaire
"A witty saying proves nothing."
-same guy.
The paper he wrote that famous quote in contains plenty of explanation for why he believed that. Have you read it? It's not just a witty saying. It's well supported, I would argue.
I'm well aware of the philosophy of freedom of speech, and I'm all for it; this, however, is a matter of defamation and/or threats, which is beyond the realm of freedom of speech. Even America has this distinction.
Absolutely. I think you may have misunderstood my position on this issue. Considering Jessica's celebrity status, it is completely reasonable for her to take any and all threats seriously and sue for them. On this issue of defamation, I feel that it would be fairly difficult to prove in this case that defamation occurred, but if she can, then more power to her. In this particular instance, I believe that Jessica is justified in her actions if these conditions are met. The reason that I disagreed with you in the beginning was because you said that trolls should be uh...extinct? or something along those lines. That is what I disagree with.
Your position is understandable because defamation in the US is a pain in the ass to try to prove due to a "malicious intent" requirement, but I don't think SK law has an equivalent.
People need to calm down and realise a LARGE majority of cases end with an out of court settlement. The dude will probably pay a fine or be subject of some kind of restraining order from the chat or something.
this is true, its the reason most european tabloids use vaguearees to discribe the things that the national enquirer explicitly says, while hiding behind, "anonymous sources". a funny example would be this one tht happened in britain a while ago, as satirically portrayed on the daily show http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-10-2003/prince-charles-scandal
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist.
On March 31 2012 09:22 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote: Successful Troll is Successful
Jessica has a habit of taking stupid things way too far, and this is no exception. Why does Boxer her do this ~_~. If anyone can get translations from the Korean sites, it would be awesome to hear what the general consensus is over there.
In Korea, your National ID is being logged. You are not anonymous. When you fuck up, people sue you. There is absolutely nothing unusal to sue someone for this in KR.
By any chance, can foreigners sign up on KR sites now... ? That you didn't need to make up a KR SN... for some sites? Was that ever changed?
Woman follows through with laws within the country she's in--Netizens call her crazy. Netizens break laws of their country by pirating, says it makes total sense dude.
Seriously, this double standard that white people have against Korean culture is really starting to not look like privileged Americans/Europeans joking around anymore.
On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote: I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica. The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole.
ah, the freedom of speech.
if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance.
or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach.
because you should respect every culture, even if you don't understand it, or agree with it.
and certinly you don't agree with the guy that calls Boxer's wife spiteful bitch - because he can - at least? i mean you don't have to love the woman, but if we all interacted with each other that way, well, we'd have internet in real life. "trololol"
On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote: I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica. The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole.
ah, the freedom of speech.
if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance.
or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach.
can you change your location to a different country please?
i don't want to be associated with you.
If you don't want to be associated with him, then you should change your location.
EPT
