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On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist.
If you want to risk 44,000 dollars and risk spending 7 years in prison just to hurt someone's feelings, you don't deserve to exist.
See what I did there? This guy knew the law, he knew the risks of what he was doing, and he went ahead and did it anyway. He wanted to insult Jessica THAT badly?
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Interesting to see how sharply divided this community is when it comes to this specific issue: How to behave on the internet. On the other hand I think it is an issue that we, as a society, have to deal and come to terms with.
If an attorney is going to make a case out of it in the country you live in, why not? Would I personally be offended by something like this? Hard to say, but I don't think so and it is irrelevant.
Do I understand that a woman that gets harassed this way feels threatened especially with this highly aggressive sexual innuendo? Definitely.
She is doing the right thing, sue him so the police can find out who he is. If it is actually just a little kid living on the other side of the planet she can feel safe and the kid should get reprimanded by it's parents, if not ... good for her she sued the bastard before something worse happend.
I mean, for example: blackmail is blackmail, it doesen't matter which medium you use to deliver the message/threat. And there have been enough crimes commited related to the internet that noone can claim: Oh, it's just the internet, grow a pair, nothing bad ever happens here.
On March 31 2012 09:30 Pantythief wrote:
Why would I care on behalf of my sister if someone on the internet, possibly thousands of miles away, who's probably 15 years old, is using vulgar language? You know what I'd do-- I'd tell me sister to block the silly bastard and tell her about life. I'd tell her not to pay attention and be a better person.
But you know what else? Even if I did have a sister, I know she'd be smarter than that. I know she'd not pay attention to silly stuff on the internet -- and you know why? Because it's silly.
I'm sorry, but if you did have a sister (that you cared about) you wouldn't. You would take this (someone specifically singleing out your sister to threaten her with explicit sexual language) VERY serious but maybe I'm just too protective about the people I care and I'm not like you. You would have a constant nagging in the back of your head because of the words you already used: "probably" and "possibly". You would want to make sure that it is just a 15 year old (who still can be dangerous) that actually lives on the other side of the planet.
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The amount of ignorance and bashing in this thread is appalling.
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On March 31 2012 10:44 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:42 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 10:40 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote:
I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica.
The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole. ah, the freedom of speech. if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance. or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah! Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach. can you change your location to a different country please? i don't want to be associated with you.
Calm yourself. Respect is something you earn, not something you demand. I think its retarded and yet I do not care in the least that we are all form the U.S>
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On March 31 2012 10:15 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:14 rotegirte wrote:On March 31 2012 10:11 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 10:10 rotegirte wrote:On March 31 2012 10:06 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 10:03 rotegirte wrote:On March 31 2012 10:01 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:59 rotegirte wrote:On March 31 2012 09:56 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:54 Shiori wrote:
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"I'm not saying I'm better than you, I'm just saying I'm better at being a person than you." I don't think it's fair to have this discussing with you. Well going through your posts, you really never addressed the actual criticism, namely being completely self-centered in your argumentation. When you find it silly what she did, that's fine. That's your opinion. Your argument ended there. Considering that I'm sharing my point of view, yes, I think it's fair of me to be self-centered. Perhaps you don't understand that. What part of "your opinion is perfectly fine, but just an opinion" didn't you get? So you're just going to state something completely obvious and make it sound like it's a bad thing on my end, that everything is fine and I'm completely O.K. for sharing my opinion? Well of course are you OK with it. But your posts implied such a standpoint should be applied to other persons. And the only argument you had was "well I don't think so". And you were criticized for that lack of substance. But I'm not arguing with you, LOL. I'm criticized because people think their opinion matters more than mine. No, they argued with you because you said she was silly to do it. You stated that you won't do it. That's fine. And when asked why it would be silly for her, your only argument is "because I think so". And that's just weak. I'll argue against that and say it's weak of you to say my only argument is "because I think so" when that's not the truth. You want to go back in history and read my initial posts.
Well, let's take a look, shall we?
On March 31 2012 08:38 Pantythief wrote:
Poor Jessica.
To me, it clearly seems that she's not as fit for her job as people would like to think.
Dismissing the jab, the second sentence is a sensible argument.
On March 31 2012 08:41 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:39 itsjuspeter wrote:On March 31 2012 08:36 NachiMe wrote:
Jessica being jessica, I feel pretty bad for nolgoituh though, sucks to be him. Why would you feel bad for a guy behaving in such a manner even if under the guise of anonymity? It goes to show that feeling safe on the internet brings out the worst in people until something happens that makes them stop. Though I do believe Jessica needs to understand this is the internet and there are indeed way too many people who are like this. You cannot avoid it and I don't believe suing him will be the end of the trolling. Is that how you would handle a situation like that? Immature as he may be, but sue the individual? World peace does not begin with making everyone poor.
She isn't obtaining world peace, she is defending her individual rights according to Korean law.
On March 31 2012 08:45 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:43 masterbreti wrote:
I think people just saying its Jessica being Jessica are just plain silly imo.
She is doing something I think a lot of people want to do. and hell, I know most streamers who would like to give trolls a peice of their own medicine. Prime TV has many of the same Issues, and I would sure as hell like to sue them. but I don't because I'm not weathly enough to sure someone.
More power to Jessica to do this. Don't cross her or she will make sure you pay. Sueing people for calling you names on a stream-chat? Are you serious? 99.9% of the right-minded people would use the ban-hammer to deal with a situation like that. You don't go around and sue people for insulting you, you feel bad for them being stupid and you move along.
You baselessly claim 99,9% of the people would have acted otherwise. You postulate a behavior which should be universally adapted by everyone without argumentative backup.
On March 31 2012 08:54 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:50 masterbreti wrote:On March 31 2012 08:45 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 08:43 masterbreti wrote:
I think people just saying its Jessica being Jessica are just plain silly imo.
She is doing something I think a lot of people want to do. and hell, I know most streamers who would like to give trolls a peice of their own medicine. Prime TV has many of the same Issues, and I would sure as hell like to sue them. but I don't because I'm not weathly enough to sure someone.
More power to Jessica to do this. Don't cross her or she will make sure you pay. Sueing people for calling you names on a stream-chat? Are you serious? 99.9% of the right-minded people would use the ban-hammer to deal with a situation like that. You don't go around and sue people for insulting you, you feel bad for them being stupid and you move along. Its more than Just banning. People make new accounts and it starts all over again. Jessica won't succed with this, Nor do I think she will go much further than filing papers. But more to the point. It stops people in their tracks if they want to troll and be insulting. God knows when I was on stream for like 30 seconds on Prime TV. Holy hell did I get called names. Not just fatass or stuff like that. but it got pretty severe to a point when I would avoid going to the bathroom while they were streaming in order to avoid names being thrown at me (both bathrooms are on the other side of the streaming computer and there is only one route to them which is past the streaming computer) but eventually mkp just made me be on camera. So I got used to it. But more to the point though. It this helps decrease the amount of trolls in their chat, More power to them. Words hurt. Yes bans are possible, but still. Words do hurt. You're not a healthy person if someone gets to you on the internet. As a woman in Jessica's position, she should know better.
You imply Jessica would not be a healthy person. The second part is valid, however there is no relation to the former statement.
On March 31 2012 09:04 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:58 masterbreti wrote:On March 31 2012 08:54 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 08:50 masterbreti wrote:On March 31 2012 08:45 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 08:43 masterbreti wrote:
I think people just saying its Jessica being Jessica are just plain silly imo.
She is doing something I think a lot of people want to do. and hell, I know most streamers who would like to give trolls a peice of their own medicine. Prime TV has many of the same Issues, and I would sure as hell like to sue them. but I don't because I'm not weathly enough to sure someone.
More power to Jessica to do this. Don't cross her or she will make sure you pay. Sueing people for calling you names on a stream-chat? Are you serious? 99.9% of the right-minded people would use the ban-hammer to deal with a situation like that. You don't go around and sue people for insulting you, you feel bad for them being stupid and you move along. Its more than Just banning. People make new accounts and it starts all over again. Jessica won't succed with this, Nor do I think she will go much further than filing papers. But more to the point. It stops people in their tracks if they want to troll and be insulting. God knows when I was on stream for like 30 seconds on Prime TV. Holy hell did I get called names. Not just fatass or stuff like that. but it got pretty severe to a point when I would avoid going to the bathroom while they were streaming in order to avoid names being thrown at me (both bathrooms are on the other side of the streaming computer and there is only one route to them which is past the streaming computer) but eventually mkp just made me be on camera. So I got used to it. But more to the point though. It this helps decrease the amount of trolls in their chat, More power to them. Words hurt. Yes bans are possible, but still. Words do hurt. You're not a healthy person if someone gets to you on the internet. As a woman in Jessica's position, she should know better. Thats not the point. Word do hurt. No matter where they come from. I don't care if they come from the internet or a bum on the street. Words hurt people. And its not that she saw it happen once and she flipped. As the article states it happend many time and she finally lost her cool. I would too and I have many times, but you guys/gals don't see that. My point is, she shouldn't at any time lose her "cool." Not for a woman in her position. She's a professional. Knowing Jessica, which I'd like to think most of us do, she do like to overreact. She's not a person who's fit to deal with PR, although she's doing it anyway. I "see" where you're coming from but I don't agree with you. I'm better than that, and I know it. So if you want to go around and sue people on the internet for having bad manners then go ahead. Be a poor example of a good individual and do so. Nothing in the Rules of Conduct of Own3d.tv says that you cannot behave inappropriately. It is the responsibility of the channel owners. Additionally, I'd like to remind you that we're talking about two different issues here. One being whether or not Jessica reacted appropriately and another being whether or not people should sue each other for insulting one another on the internet.
True observation.
On March 31 2012 09:21 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 09:19 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:17 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:16 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:13 WArped wrote:
Surely he cannot be sentenced, for the good of all humanity.. this is ridiculous. I would argue for the good of all humanity, he should be sentenced. Internet harassment can be pretty damaging. Yeah you can just say "grow a pair", but what if it was your kid, or wife, or sibling, or gf, or anyone that you cared about being harassed incessantly and viciously online. Would you tell your loved one to "grow a pair"? Of course. Let me know how that goes for you. It's been going great thus far. As the mentally healthy being I am, I don't let random people on the internet get to me.
Again imposing your own judgement on others. With no backup other than your personal view.
On March 31 2012 09:30 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 09:25 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 09:21 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:19 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:17 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:16 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:13 WArped wrote:
Surely he cannot be sentenced, for the good of all humanity.. this is ridiculous. I would argue for the good of all humanity, he should be sentenced. Internet harassment can be pretty damaging. Yeah you can just say "grow a pair", but what if it was your kid, or wife, or sibling, or gf, or anyone that you cared about being harassed incessantly and viciously online. Would you tell your loved one to "grow a pair"? Of course. Let me know how that goes for you. It's been going great thus far. As the mentally healthy being I am, I don't let random people on the internet get to me. seriously, how old are you?????? if somebody "harassed incessantly and viciously online" your sister or girlfriend, you would SERIOUSLY tell her to grow a pair, and in fact, "that's what you've been doing" there's a huge difference between harassment and "random stuff from internet getting to me" I'm almost 19 years old. Why would I care on behalf of my sister if someone on the internet, possibly thousands of miles away, who's probably 15 years old, is using vulgar language? You know what I'd do-- I'd tell me sister to block the silly bastard and tell her about life. I'd tell her not to pay attention and be a better person. But you know what else? Even if I did have a sister, I know she'd be smarter than that. I know she'd not pay attention to silly stuff on the internet -- and you know why? Because it's silly.
If taken your post alone, it is but a mere opinion and how you would do things. However, the conversation started in respect to social consequences. You fall back to a more elaborate presentation of "because I think so".
On March 31 2012 09:32 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 09:28 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:21 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:19 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:17 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:16 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:13 WArped wrote:
Surely he cannot be sentenced, for the good of all humanity.. this is ridiculous. I would argue for the good of all humanity, he should be sentenced. Internet harassment can be pretty damaging. Yeah you can just say "grow a pair", but what if it was your kid, or wife, or sibling, or gf, or anyone that you cared about being harassed incessantly and viciously online. Would you tell your loved one to "grow a pair"? Of course. Let me know how that goes for you. It's been going great thus far. As the mentally healthy being I am, I don't let random people on the internet get to me. That wasn't my point. Laws aren't meant to protect people who clearly do not need protecting. Good for you that you can handle it, I say that without sarcasm. Some people can't. Some people commit suicide over it. Or develop emotional pathologies. From your response, it's pretty clear that you're thinking about this completely self-centeredly, ie "well I wouldn't react that way, this is what I would do, and that's why I think that's how the world is". Try thinking about it from the perspective of not being you. People shouldn't get involved with PR, then, knowing that this will happen. ;-) Edit: if you had actually read my posts, then you'd find it pretty clear that I'm seeing this through her perspective.
The PR job argument is still valid. Though it should be noted that even being a public figure doesn't strip you completely of your individual rights.
On March 31 2012 09:42 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 09:38 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 09:32 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 09:30 Shiori wrote:On March 31 2012 09:30 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 09:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
C'mon folks, If I had known I could sue people for saying really awful things to me and about me on the internet, I would have cracked a hundred thousand dollars by the time I was 16. I'd be a bloody billionaire. Once again, harassment is not the same as one-off, lackadaisical trolling. I don't see any harassment here. I see some dumb kid saying dumb things on the internet. There is no magic leap from trolling to harassment just because it continues on for a period of time. It's either acceptable or it isn't. you got it all wrong buddy. you were thaught that by being anonimous on the internet you can do that shit. you can't. people shouldn't be able to. this shit should happen in the west, maybe then internet would actually serve it's original purpose, and not be a retard magnet. On March 31 2012 09:30 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:25 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 09:21 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:19 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:17 Pantythief wrote:On March 31 2012 09:16 GloPikkle wrote:On March 31 2012 09:13 WArped wrote:
Surely he cannot be sentenced, for the good of all humanity.. this is ridiculous. I would argue for the good of all humanity, he should be sentenced. Internet harassment can be pretty damaging. Yeah you can just say "grow a pair", but what if it was your kid, or wife, or sibling, or gf, or anyone that you cared about being harassed incessantly and viciously online. Would you tell your loved one to "grow a pair"? Of course. Let me know how that goes for you. It's been going great thus far. As the mentally healthy being I am, I don't let random people on the internet get to me. seriously, how old are you?????? if somebody "harassed incessantly and viciously online" your sister or girlfriend, you would SERIOUSLY tell her to grow a pair, and in fact, "that's what you've been doing" there's a huge difference between harassment and "random stuff from internet getting to me" I'm almost 19 years old. Why would I care on behalf of my sister if someone on the internet, possibly thousands of miles away, who's probably 15 years old, is using vulgar language? You know what I'd do-- I'd tell me sister to block the silly bastard and tell her about life. I'd tell her not to pay attention and be a better person. But you know what else? Even if I did have a sister, I know she'd be smarter than that. I know she'd not pay attention to silly stuff on the internet -- and you know why? Because it's silly. well, 19 is way over enough to understand difference between harassment and "using vulgar language", right? you don't sue people for using vulgar language, not even in the states. but you do sue them for harassment, even in third world countries. so, please learn the difference... No, I don't. Just because you would be so premature to sue someone for insulting you or harassing you on the Internet it does not mean that everyone else would. I wouldn't, I'm smarter than that, and it saddens me to see how many people would go this far to "make an example" on the internet. You will not accomplish anything, ever. Had it been real life, I'd care, then I would consider it serious, the internet is not. Additionally, I'm 99.9% certain that the guy wouldn't behave the way he did had it been in real life. This should emphasize my point.
It started well, the opinion part is fine. "I'm smarter than that" is not. "You will nor accomplish anything, ever." is ironically contradicted by Jessica's personal status and career.
The second part for the first time introduces the "new" argument of internet=/=rl. You didn't go further into that, though.
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So?
1) The opinion part is cool.
2) The PR job part is viable
3) The internet=/=rl part is not being developed any further
4) The rest is not much of actual value
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On March 31 2012 10:47 Tennet wrote:
The amount of ignorance and bashing in this thread is appalling.
Did you really expect anything else?
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What happens if the Troller is from a different country?? like its going to be too much work. LOL
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On March 31 2012 10:40 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote:
I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica.
The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole. ah, the freedom of speech. if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance. or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah!
Why can't you insult people?
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On March 31 2012 10:44 AegiS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:42 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 10:40 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote:
I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica.
The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole. ah, the freedom of speech. if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance. or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah! Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach. can you change your location to a different country please? i don't want to be associated with you.
when replying to the same thing, i actually edited the part where i go "perhaps it's an american thing", and now i am glad i did. props to you
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On March 31 2012 10:46 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:42 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 10:40 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote:
I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica.
The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole. ah, the freedom of speech. if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance. or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah! Who says I have to respect Korean laws or culture? If I think it's dumb, I'll say so. Being part of someone's culture doesn't place something above reproach. because you should respect every culture, even if you don't understand it, or agree with it. and certinly you don't agree with the guy that calls Boxer's wife spiteful bitch - because he can - at least? i mean you don't have to love the woman, but if we all interacted with each other that way, well, we'd have internet in real life. "trololol"
So you respect those African cultures who practice female circumcision?
Not every culture is right about everything, and I don't agree with this aspect of Korean culture.
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Hopefully this guy gets some punishment, but I think 44K or 7years in jail is excessive.
Something needs to be done to stop all the senseless trolling.
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On March 31 2012 10:44 callthecops wrote:
If you seriously want to make a person pay up to 44,000 dollars and possibly spend 7 years in prison just because your feelings were hurt online, you don't deserve to exist.
Who are you to decide who deserves to exist? Who are any of us to decide who to is treated fairly and in what methods? She was insulted and demeaned. If she feels that the sentence is equal to how she felt hurt by clear actions of insulting the person. Then Maybe this should be done so?
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Northern Ireland25970 Posts
Sadly the internet has become the vehicle of choice for idiotic, bitter people to spew either complete nonsense, or complete vitriolic bile. I'm probably one of the last generations who will be able to recall what the internet was like in its infancy, and if it continues the way it's going I'm going to seem like a nostalgist when talking about the optimism felt about the platform when it was in this stage.
Voltaire famously/Apocryphally said, 'I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.' I'd imagine he envisaged the espousal of unpopular, questioning lines of thought, real debate and whatnot.
Constitutional freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want, about anything and needlessly hurl abuse at people. Libel law, hate speech laws etc exist already that restrict 100%, no-holds-barred free speech. This notion that we have an inalienable right to say whatever we want, that is so often used in justification for abhorrent, obnoxious behaviour is just false.
Also I was wondering just how the Korean ISPs regulate their users. I believe that internet activity in Korea is linked to real-life identities, was wondering how it was administered and if it actually makes a difference in conduct etc.
It's a difficult area, internet anonymity allows concerned parties to expose corruption without fear of reprisal etc, but on the other hand there are a lot of downsides to it as well. Interesting topic anyway
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On March 31 2012 10:48 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:40 snailz wrote:On March 31 2012 10:36 VasHeR wrote:
I feel obliged to post this to hopefully open people's eyes to a very simple and important truth. Please be aware that this is a general statement and may or may not pertain to Jessica.
The argument that "(name of prosecution) has nothing to gain, she does it because her cause is just" somehow overlooks the obvious and probable possibility that she/he is just a spiteful bitch/asshole. ah, the freedom of speech. if you don't want to respect your elders, or even oblige them with common decency not to curse at them, you can at least respect Korean law, and Korean culture, where as so many TL netizens reported - this is a common and widely accepted occurance. or you can say shit and insult people and get away with it... fuck yeah! Why can't you insult people?
do you insult people in real life?
hell you do.
my mind hurts, with who am i dealing with here 
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WUT!? can't they just ban him or something... I mean how does one sue a troll... Like if he is out of country what can they do?
I hope Jessica will stop this.. I mean she seems like a nice women, she just needs to calm down, I really feel sorry for Boxer... It must be hard on him..
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On March 31 2012 10:50 Wombat_NI wrote:
Constitutional freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want, about anything and needlessly hurl abuse at people. Libel law, hate speech laws etc exist already that restrict 100%, no-holds-barred free speech. This notion that we have an inalienable right to say whatever we want, that is so often used in justification for abhorrent, obnoxious behaviour is just false.
I want to isolate this paragraph. You didn't even give an argument as to why the status quo is superior, other than the fact that anti-speech laws are good because they are the status quo. Would you mind elaborating on why those laws are good to have?
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On March 31 2012 10:39 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:34 hypercube wrote:On March 31 2012 10:32 Gheed wrote:On March 31 2012 10:31 FuTon wrote:No, this is not funny, this is a criminal offence in Republic of Korea. And Jessica is not a drama queen. She's just a good citizen who practices her constitutional rights. According to Korean Defamation Law, I quote" South Korean defamation law protects the constitutional right of individuals against abuses of the right to freedom of expression.12 Sanctions for defaming any individual, including government and other public officials are available under both civil and criminal legislation. In Korea, defamation is a criminal offence under Article 307 of the Criminal Code, and an „unlawful act under the Civil Code". Source: + Show Spoiler +http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4e5223dc2.html Being a law doesn't exempt it from me thinking it's stupid. So what's your point? Jessica shouldn't use the law to defend herself, even if it's on her side? Or just that the law should be changed? Both of those statements are good points. A moral person would not enforce an unjust law. Further they should work to tear down the law.
It's questionable whether the law is unjust. I happen to think it's not, especially if the maximum penalty is reserved for the most extreme cases.
In any case, if you go out of your way to annoy or upset someone sometimes they'll overreact. Even if the law was unjust (and I don't think it necessarily is), I'd have trouble faulting her for using her options.
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On March 31 2012 10:52 Raid wrote:
WUT!? can't they just ban him or something... I mean how does one sue a troll... Like if he is out of country what can they do?
I hope Jessica will stop this.. I mean she seems like a nice women, she just needs to calm down, I really feel sorry for Boxer... It must be hard on him..
Shame Boxer for being with someone who refuses to be insulted and goes into well accepted legal standings in her culture! Darn her for not conforming to internet trolls and their right to insult anything and anyone they please.
Did I understand your correctly?
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It's Korea people. Foreigners don't understand the level of cyberbullying in Korea. You can get dragged down to the police station for the smallest things. You guys may not be aware of this but compared to Korea, the US, and Canada's bullying is like poking a guy in the face.
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act against idiot trolls, yeah!
on a related note, shit like this is pretty serious in korea. you can read upon "whatbecomes" vs tablo of epik high. a troll made a huge mockery for no reason, almost ruining a person's career by fabricating stories, evidence and claiming tablo is a liar. the news got so big, people started believing in whatbecomes and people were turning against tablo. tablo in return did everything he can to disprove the accusations.
maybe cultural difference but if someone fucks with you for no reason, for the sake of troll, doing mental and financial damage, that person deserves punishment.
edit: http://www.soompi.com/news/whatbecomes-criticizes-insoonis-daughter
"whatbecomes" and its people are at it again.
you guys are saying shit like this is ok?
NO.
remember the culture difference. effects of cyberbulling in the states and in korea, is hugely different.
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