• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:55
CEST 16:55
KST 23:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly do had match fixing CN community: Firefly accused of suspicious activities The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Serious Question: Mech
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Mihu vs Korea Players Statistics BW General Discussion Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 21867 users

Larva disappearing Glitch in 1.5 (not about 20th larva) -…

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 12 Next All
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 04:25:46
March 26 2012 04:24 GMT
#141
On March 26 2012 09:45 poeticEnnui wrote:
So I've been (re)thinking about this from a programming perspective. This is probably how Blizzard's code currently looks in logical terms:

if [larva count] < 3, start [larva timer]

when [larva timer] ends, spawn 1 larva and add 1 to [larva count] if any only if [larva count] < 3

when [queen inject timer] ends, spawn 4 larvae and add 4 to [larva count]

What happens is that if the queen inject timer ends before the third larva spawns, the larva count raises to above three, so even if the natural larva timer is in progression, a larva won't spawn. This makes sense: if you've been at two larvae for ten seconds and get 4 larvae from a queen inject spawn, the larva which would have otherwise spawned in five seconds doesn't spawn even if the natural larva timer counts down to zero because you're already at 6 larvae.

The problem arises when the injection timer ends at an infinitesmially short time before the natural larva timer ends, e.g.

larva count = 2 and larva timer = 0.00...001; queen inject adds 4 to larva count, and the natural larva consequently gets lost.

So this is in some regard working as intended: Blizz doesn't want the natural larva timer adding a larva to a hatchery that already has 6 larva.

That is to say: as long as there is < 3 larvae and an inject finishes, there will always be a lost larva whose natural timer was counting down, be it at 5 seconds into the timer or 14.99999999999 seconds into the timer. What we perceive as larva "getting lost" is actually the larva count increasing beyond three just before the natural larva timer finishes.

What does this mean in terms of "solutions"? Well, a consistency fix could be

if [larva timer] has < 1 second left, spawn the goddamned larva anyway

but there would still be the issue of arbitrariness between the player who injects the larva at 0.99...9 seconds and the player who injects larva at 1.00...01 seconds in relation to the larva timer, that is, the former losing the larva and the latter having it.

The only way to do it which I think is absolutely "fair" is to let each natural larva timer produce a larva, which would break the current mechanic of no larva being able to spawn past 3.

I can't say whether this solution is "good" or "bad", but it's the only one that would remove what we perceive as an inconsistency.

tl; dr: There is no way to argue that this is a "bug" in the sense that the programmers are somehow at fault for designing a faulty mechanic; rather, the issue is one of consistency and...hate to say it, balance.


This is incorrect, because the issue is the timer is not supposed to reset according to their own programming-see OP. When the hatch begins larva spawn immediately because the 15 sec counter is at 0. The counter should be at 0 in this missing larva exception, so that once the larva are spent 1 larva immediately spawns and the counter continues. The point of the OP is that the game is programmed to have a coninuous timer on the hatches. What is actually lost is 15 seconds of spawn larva time. 15 seconds equates perfectly with 1 larva, hence the larva disappearing glitch being a better name than "I want my 15 seconds back."
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
March 26 2012 04:25 GMT
#142
On March 26 2012 13:02 Berailfor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 12:11 figq wrote:
If you are a Terran: Imagine your barracks having 10% chance for a marine to take twice its usual production time.
If you are a Protoss: Imagine your warpgate having 10% chance for its cooldown to be doubled.

Try to justify such kind of erratic behavior as intentional or insignificant.


10% chance? You mean 2% chance right? As it's close to 1/50 that it'll happen and if it didn't happen meanwhile your injecting perfectly it isn't going to happen anyway. Second of all, you can't compare the other races to the Zergs extreme production capability.

Like I said before I agree it is bad and needs to be patched. But why are you exaggerating it so much. It very rarely happens and when it does it's so unnoticeable that it has almost zero effect on actual gameplay. The most effect in ZvZ where it's an equal chance for both players and still has almost zero effect. Like I said before the chance is ridiculously low, and has almost no effect with the Zerg production capabilities anyway. Seeing as nobody has noticed this for this long it clearly isn't too big a deal.


Hi, OP here. Thank you for your feedback, although I have to say the chance is more like 10% rather than 2%. 1.5 glitch period from my observation (could be closer to 1.0, could be closer to 2.0) and 15sec larva generation interval means 1.5/15=10% or so. Whether you think 10% is a big deal or not is all up to you. As you said, millions of games have been played in the last 2 years including beta period, and until a couple days ago when I started this research, no one in the world seemed to have noticed it. You have a point in that some pros must have noticed it way before me if this were a super significant deal. I just wanted to clarify that it is about 10%, not 2% for sure as you could see from my experiment.
Thank you again for agreeing that this needs to be patched regardless. Some Terran and Protoss insisted that this obvious bug should stay for balance reasons. That, I cannot agree with.
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
March 26 2012 04:33 GMT
#143
Wow, how did this go unnoticed for so long? Its so fucked up something this big has gone incognito for ages...
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
March 26 2012 04:43 GMT
#144
not to rain on the parade and suggest that bugs should be overlooked or ignored, but the game has been balanced up untill this point with game mechanics as they currently stand.

With mechanics as complicated as the zerg lavae spawn rates and queens, im sure blizzard would have spent lengthy periods of time balancing out the spawn rate and injection timers pre-release in alpha testing of the game, since then any short coming of the race has been balanced out by altering structure health/armour and units similarly.

probably not a great analogy but ill try it anyway - lets say someone discovers that zealots infact dont run as fast as they're supposed to - zealots are not inherantly any weaker a unit relative to the other races because there health/armour/damage/etc has been balanced around that unrealised short coming.
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
Berailfor
Profile Joined January 2012
441 Posts
March 26 2012 04:52 GMT
#145
On March 26 2012 13:25 Orek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 13:02 Berailfor wrote:
On March 26 2012 12:11 figq wrote:
If you are a Terran: Imagine your barracks having 10% chance for a marine to take twice its usual production time.
If you are a Protoss: Imagine your warpgate having 10% chance for its cooldown to be doubled.

Try to justify such kind of erratic behavior as intentional or insignificant.


10% chance? You mean 2% chance right? As it's close to 1/50 that it'll happen and if it didn't happen meanwhile your injecting perfectly it isn't going to happen anyway. Second of all, you can't compare the other races to the Zergs extreme production capability.

Like I said before I agree it is bad and needs to be patched. But why are you exaggerating it so much. It very rarely happens and when it does it's so unnoticeable that it has almost zero effect on actual gameplay. The most effect in ZvZ where it's an equal chance for both players and still has almost zero effect. Like I said before the chance is ridiculously low, and has almost no effect with the Zerg production capabilities anyway. Seeing as nobody has noticed this for this long it clearly isn't too big a deal.


Hi, OP here. Thank you for your feedback, although I have to say the chance is more like 10% rather than 2%. 1.5 glitch period from my observation (could be closer to 1.0, could be closer to 2.0) and 15sec larva generation interval means 1.5/15=10% or so. Whether you think 10% is a big deal or not is all up to you. As you said, millions of games have been played in the last 2 years including beta period, and until a couple days ago when I started this research, no one in the world seemed to have noticed it. You have a point in that some pros must have noticed it way before me if this were a super significant deal. I just wanted to clarify that it is about 10%, not 2% for sure as you could see from my experiment.
Thank you again for agreeing that this needs to be patched regardless. Some Terran and Protoss insisted that this obvious bug should stay for balance reasons. That, I cannot agree with.


Ah good point, I was thinking about the larva inject time of 45 seconds which is why I was thinking about 1/50. But that makes sense I didn't think about the fact that the interval will happen 3 times per inject. Well that definitely means it should be patched haha. Anyway good find man.
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
March 26 2012 05:10 GMT
#146
On March 26 2012 13:43 tsango wrote:
not to rain on the parade and suggest that bugs should be overlooked or ignored, but the game has been balanced up untill this point with game mechanics as they currently stand.

With mechanics as complicated as the zerg lavae spawn rates and queens, im sure blizzard would have spent lengthy periods of time balancing out the spawn rate and injection timers pre-release in alpha testing of the game, since then any short coming of the race has been balanced out by altering structure health/armour and units similarly.

probably not a great analogy but ill try it anyway - lets say someone discovers that zealots infact dont run as fast as they're supposed to - zealots are not inherantly any weaker a unit relative to the other races because there health/armour/damage/etc has been balanced around that unrealised short coming.


The problem with that analogy is that it would be the same for everyone. In this case, their is an amount of random chance in the game where someone could have less zerglings or less drones in a very tight early game situation in one situation and more in another. The game, instead of coming down to practiced skill, would come down to if you luckily managed to avoid losing one larva for no difference. In most cases it won't matter but there have been plenty of very close games where the outcome could have been different with an earlier roach, two more zerglings or another drone.

RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
March 26 2012 05:18 GMT
#147
It sucks. But hey Mules on far mineral patches die during the last cargo as well. It's not that game breaking.
Someone call down the Thunder?
bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
March 26 2012 05:21 GMT
#148
Good find I guess, and thanks for the edits on other peoples explanation of the bug.
Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
March 26 2012 05:58 GMT
#149
On March 26 2012 14:18 RaiKageRyu wrote:
It sucks. But hey Mules on far mineral patches die during the last cargo as well. It's not that game breaking.


Don't put them on far mineral patches then, your own problem if you do. There is nothing we can do about this.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 06:37:26
March 26 2012 06:24 GMT
#150
OP here.
Added and edited some new contents for opening post for clearer explaination
Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
March 26 2012 06:31 GMT
#151
How the hell did you see this ?? O.o very good eye sir.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
March 30 2012 00:07 GMT
#152
Great find. This has to be patched next patch.

And thanks for the recognition
steelcurtain09
Profile Joined October 2011
United States87 Posts
March 30 2012 17:56 GMT
#153
Once again great job by the OP in identifying and researching this glitch so in depth.

I have also been attempting to figure out how exactly the glitch does occur from a programming perspective and how it would be fixed. I went and conducted my own tests just to see for myself. It took me until 15:00 game time to finally record the glitch, but I attribute that to my attempts to reproduce it by timing my injects and missing by the slightest margins. However, while doing this and watching the replay of it I noticed a few interesting things.

Things I noticed:
1. Larva from queens appear in the unit counter before they appear as usable at the hatchery. On the other hand, naturally spawned larva appear in both the unit counter and at their hatchery at the same time.
2. Larva from queens increment in the unit counter and at the hatchery in the same manner and at the same rate (at least as I perceive). They are counted 1, 2, 3, 4 and the same happens at the hatchery a second or two later.
3. Natural larva will still appear at the hatchery at any time up until the unit counter says the hatch has 3 larva. This was observed at a point when a natural larva appeared when the first larva from the queen spawn was already in the counting station.

My assumption (untested and not very easy to test) is that the critical window when the larva will be lost is the time between when the unit counting station hits 3 and when the third larva hits the ground at the hatch. Using one of my larva injects as a test I observed that this span is over the space of parts of three separate seconds and is therefore greater than a full second. This means that if I am correct, then the window is also greater than 1 second and the OP is correct in saying that 10% of game time lies within the window.

Now looking at this from a programming standpoint (I am a junior computer engineer at university so there are others more qualified, but I believe I am more qualified than most), I would think that the reason this larva is lost is based on how the natural larva timer works and what its triggers are for pausing and generating larva. As I said, larva appear in the unit counting station immediately after spawn larva completes. These larva are not usable for an obvious reason - they are in mid-air and it makes no sense to create eggs in mid-air; it would just look weird and not really work physically.

My hypothesis is based on the triggers for both larva generation and timer pausing. My guess is that there is a trigger that says that no more larva are generated once there are more than 3 larva assigned to that particular hatch. I also believe that there is a separate trigger for pausing the larva generation timer based on the number of larva on the ground. Note that based on #1 and #2 above, these variables are not the same. Normally this is not a problem since with normal larva generation there is no inconsistency between the two variables. However, with spawn larva there is a window where the two variables are not the same and this is when a larva is lost.
Chemist
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria127 Posts
March 30 2012 18:49 GMT
#154
well i guess ist another thing you have to be good at: "work on your spawn larva timing, so that this doesn't happens":D just like pulling off the MULE if it's about to die and won't deliver the minerals

joke aside, i hope this is fixed soon
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
March 30 2012 18:50 GMT
#155
On March 25 2012 08:22 darkscream wrote:
Hard proof that ZvZ is, indeed, the most coin-flippy matchup.


I lol'd
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
March 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#156
On March 26 2012 10:14 CptCutter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 07:18 Orek wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:00 ZeromuS wrote:
If this is true, thats a cool find. I don't play Zerg so I don't know how the mechanic truly truly works in terms of a missing larva X but GJ for taking the time to put this together.

Remove intro from the spoiler though or create a simple abstract so people know what they are getting into when they open up the thread


Thank you for the advice. I just did.

On March 25 2012 07:13 kcdc wrote:
No. The hatchery doesn't do the auto-spawn in that situation because it's already at 3+ larvae. If the inject happens right before the auto-spawn and you don't spend the larvae to get the standing larvae under 3, then it will skip that auto-spawn. It's not a bug--hatcheries just don't spawn larvae when there are already 4 sitting there.


I am very well aware of 3+ larvae situation. If you dont mind, please read on. I think I made it clear enough with enough evidence. Thank you.


perhaps you should just build another hatchery? this bug you talk of will most likely happen once or twice per game max and will effect the gameplay very little. it is the same kind of 'bug' as mules mining 30 more minerals then dieing without being able to return them. its not game breaking unless the 2 players that are playing are literally perfect players.


Its in no way shape or form the same kind of bug.
If you drop a mule on the close patch, it will consistently lose 30 minerals on its way back, each and every time.
If you constantly keep injecting your hatchery, you wont consistently lose a larva here and there, you might lose one every time, or you might not lose one the whole game.

Furthermore, the analogy is terrible anyways.
Its a bug where in 10% of the inject cases, you lose 1 larva, which translates to a unit.
It might be a drone, or an ultralisk, its just gone, you cant build it.
So the analogy should be more along the lines of a battlecruiser suddenly not appearing out of the starport.

The larva problem is a definitive bug, while the mule issue is a feature.
If you dont send it on the close patch, it wont expire half way back.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
March 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#157
Lol, as if i'd ever notice something like this..
I don't think this'll ever affect gameplay at my level 8)

Great catch though!
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 20:32:38
March 30 2012 20:22 GMT
#158
Honestly, inject larva is so strong that this is insignificant. Missing one larva 7% of the time doesn't matter especially when zergs don't always use their extra larva consistently from either resources or busy managing elsewhere. It may be like this by design to begin with. Whether it is changed or not won't make much of a difference.

On March 31 2012 04:55 gh0un wrote:
Furthermore, the analogy is terrible anyways.
Its a bug where in 10% of the inject cases, you lose 1 larva, which translates to a unit.
It might be a drone, or an ultralisk, its just gone, you cant build it.
So the analogy should be more along the lines of a battlecruiser suddenly not appearing out of the starport.

No, your analogy is terrible. The battlecruiser is paid for before coming out whereas the larva is something free and didn't cost money to make.
GET SM4SHED
nttdt
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 22:08:09
March 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#159
On March 31 2012 04:55 gh0un wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 10:14 CptCutter wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:18 Orek wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:00 ZeromuS wrote:
If this is true, thats a cool find. I don't play Zerg so I don't know how the mechanic truly truly works in terms of a missing larva X but GJ for taking the time to put this together.

Remove intro from the spoiler though or create a simple abstract so people know what they are getting into when they open up the thread


Thank you for the advice. I just did.

On March 25 2012 07:13 kcdc wrote:
No. The hatchery doesn't do the auto-spawn in that situation because it's already at 3+ larvae. If the inject happens right before the auto-spawn and you don't spend the larvae to get the standing larvae under 3, then it will skip that auto-spawn. It's not a bug--hatcheries just don't spawn larvae when there are already 4 sitting there.


I am very well aware of 3+ larvae situation. If you dont mind, please read on. I think I made it clear enough with enough evidence. Thank you.


perhaps you should just build another hatchery? this bug you talk of will most likely happen once or twice per game max and will effect the gameplay very little. it is the same kind of 'bug' as mules mining 30 more minerals then dieing without being able to return them. its not game breaking unless the 2 players that are playing are literally perfect players.


Its in no way shape or form the same kind of bug.
If you drop a mule on the close patch, it will consistently lose 30 minerals on its way back, each and every time.
If you constantly keep injecting your hatchery, you wont consistently lose a larva here and there, you might lose one every time, or you might not lose one the whole game.

Furthermore, the analogy is terrible anyways.
Its a bug where in 10% of the inject cases, you lose 1 larva, which translates to a unit.
It might be a drone, or an ultralisk, its just gone, you cant build it.
So the analogy should be more along the lines of a battlecruiser suddenly not appearing out of the starport.

The larva problem is a definitive bug, while the mule issue is a feature.
If you dont send it on the close patch, it wont expire half way back.


If you only drop mules on farther patches those will get mined faster tho, so when nearly mined out ur left with only close
mineral patches which will result in oversaturation.
while we are at it someone could test this also.
Arkymedes
Profile Joined March 2012
Brazil2 Posts
April 04 2012 23:36 GMT
#160
Since this bug is triggered by the inject larva from the queen, which uses energy, the closest analogy I can think of is if 1 out of 10 mules you drop, or 1 out of 10 chrono boosts are lost.

It is a big deal and need to be addressed.
Play hard. Go pro.
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .228
mcanning 209
Rex 127
ProTech83
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 11939
EffOrt 1143
Horang2 924
Stork 690
Snow 365
firebathero 234
sSak 95
sorry 86
Pusan 86
Barracks 67
[ Show more ]
Yoon 51
Sharp 48
Sacsri 47
Hyun 46
Movie 39
Terrorterran 29
Backho 22
Rock 21
yabsab 9
Shine 8
Bale 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7513
qojqva2740
syndereN353
XcaliburYe264
League of Legends
Dendi2017
Counter-Strike
fl0m974
FunKaTv 171
markeloff167
rGuardiaN0
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King97
Other Games
singsing2046
B2W.Neo1645
hiko820
Lowko573
Beastyqt462
crisheroes460
XaKoH 202
ArmadaUGS180
Liquid`VortiX112
QueenE55
KnowMe25
Trikslyr3
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3918
League of Legends
• Nemesis7048
• TFBlade1052
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 5m
Replay Cast
19h 5m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 5m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 5m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 9h
GSL Code S
1d 18h
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
OSC
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Cheesadelphia
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.