i dont wanna complain but seriously drg just maxed out 200/200 with 3 base on tal'darim with full roach at 12 minutes.. with 4 larvas it would be faster .. adding another bar to see when hatch gonna pop another auto-larva is better in my opinion then just putting pause on auto larvae pop . also it would make game harder

Ashakyre

United States99 Posts

March 25 2012 00:06 GMT

#25

Isn't Zerg supposed to be buggy?

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Good spot!

sharky246

1197 Posts

March 25 2012 00:11 GMT

#26

On March 25 2012 06:57 Cyro wrote:
That is.... very interesting... suprised it took 2 years to notice this

I'm suprised someone actually noticed at all. This might become one of idra's new excuses about why he loses.

sTrike17

United States11 Posts

March 25 2012 00:12 GMT

#27

This isn't a glitch because blizzard did this on purpose to make sure that zerg has to continue to inject and if it were constantly building larvae zerg would never have to inject thus the race is imbalanced and to easy.

StarDrive

90 Posts

March 25 2012 00:12 GMT

#28

Say you have 4 larvae at a hatchery sitting there for a while. Then you spend them all at once. Do you immediately get a new larva? If not, then I don't think there is a bug in the engine because it is supposed to reset. It starts the timer as soon as there are strictly less than 3 larvae.

Jayjay54

Germany2296 Posts

March 25 2012 00:13 GMT

#29

On March 25 2012 09:05 xsnac wrote:
i dont wanna complain but seriously drg just maxed out 200/200 with 3 base on tal'darim with full roach at 12 minutes.. with 4 larvas it would be faster .. i think they should fix the " visual bug "

yea one player is doing good with the race, let's just keep that glitch around...

e: awesome analysis by OP. your work is appreciated.

ThePlayer33

Australia2378 Posts

March 25 2012 00:23 GMT

#30

so thats the story behind nestea's zvz losses

Baum

Germany1010 Posts

March 25 2012 00:23 GMT

#31

So if I understand this correctly you should be able negate this from happening by lining up your injects correctly so this shouldn't be a problem but actually separates the good from the very best players. If this is true it should absolutely stay in the game. It's the same for managing your mules.

Jayjay54

Germany2296 Posts

March 25 2012 00:27 GMT

#32

On March 25 2012 09:23 Baum wrote:
So if I understand this correctly you should be able negate this from happening by lining up your injects correctly so this shouldn't be a problem but actually separates the good from the very best players. If this is true it should absolutely stay in the game. It's the same for managing your mules.

it's not. because it's not visible. If you don't stare at your hatch all the time, you can't determine, when your last larva was generating. Thus, this is, in fact, nothing a player can influence.

shabby

Norway6402 Posts

March 25 2012 00:32 GMT

#33

Good job! Findings like these actually do matter, and I'm glad people take the time.

zJayy962

1363 Posts

March 25 2012 00:41 GMT

#34

Very interesting. Good find. Obviously its not game breaking but should be patched.

Baum

Germany1010 Posts

March 25 2012 00:45 GMT

#35

On March 25 2012 09:27 Jayjay54 wrote:

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it's not. because it's not visible. If you don't stare at your hatch all the time, you can't determine, when your last larva was generating. Thus, this is, in fact, nothing a player can influence.

Well, you can test and remember the timings.

vol_

Australia1608 Posts

March 25 2012 01:30 GMT

#36

Wow, nice spot and a very interesting find. ZvZ is the matchup I can see this having the biggest impact on and would be nice to have it patched.

goodpoltergeist

United States41 Posts

March 25 2012 01:43 GMT

#37

I wanted to find some error in your post, but haven't found one yet. Clever, and a great catch. Really surprised it's taken someone this long to notice that, but I guess the right people just weren't paying attention. I hope this issue is addressed, or we'll have to adjust our injects to hit so we don't lose a larva. Great post, well thought out, presents hypothesis, predicted observation, experiment and observation. Glad this was brought to light, and in such a well-constructed manner, and I hope something is done to address it soon.

Edit: also wanted to say when I first opened this thread I thought it was similar to when larva would "suicide" when spawned near cliffs. Turns out it was much more exciting than that.

zyce

United States649 Posts

March 25 2012 01:45 GMT

#38

Good god, I have brought this up in conversation before but have never been able to pinpoint where the missing larva has went to.

Thanks for doing the research and finding it. I'm able to reproduce the bug and hopefully I can avoid it by staying away from that +5s window... This should really be patched out of the game. It's a hidden chance-based production statistic that Blizzard has never mentioned, and probably didn't intend to happen.

The larva timer should only pause, never reset. Fix this, and ship it.