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On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
I would actually say DH would "loose" money having this as a PPV for high quality. DH dont "want" to make money on the esports aspects. It is just something to promote the DH name, and hence the "real" events, being you pay lots of money to come to DH Winter, or Summer. By them having free streams, all their events will have a bigger impact because you remember, "oh hey, DH is free, DH is cool, I WANT TO GO TO A DH". Want to support them? Just watch dude... Really want to support it? Go to a DH!
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On March 22 2012 08:13 windzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. I would actually say DH would "loose" money having this as a PPV for high quality. DH dont "want" to make money on the esports aspects. It is just something to promote the DH name, and hence the "real" events, being you pay lots of money to come to DH Winter, or Summer. By them having free streams, all their events will have a bigger impact because you remember, "oh hey, DH is free, DH is cool, I WANT TO GO TO A DH". Want to support them? Just watch dude... Really want to support it? Go to a DH!
Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. But supporting it by actually going to an event simply isn't possible for me. I'd love to pay them 10-15 bucks to watch online, but actually traveling there would cost me thousands of dollars, which I simply can't afford.
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On March 22 2012 08:08 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:05 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:49 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost. Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament. Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction. Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly. GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is. Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever. Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime. No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay. Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament" Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it. I'll just buy merchandise. You're being a dick for no reason.
Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game?
It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product.
You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff.
As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention.
Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
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On March 22 2012 08:08 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:05 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:49 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost. Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament. Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction. Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly. GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is. Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever. Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime. No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay. Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament" Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it. I'll just buy merchandise. You're being a dick for no reason.
HSC and MLG are to very different tournaments with very different formats. MLG's most important asset has been it's crowd and a lot of it's hype got created that way. HSCs format on the other hand is to have pro's interact with the online audience by most notably shoutcasting.
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On March 22 2012 08:21 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:08 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 08:05 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:49 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost. Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament. Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction. Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly. GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is. Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever. Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime. No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay. Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament" Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it. I'll just buy merchandise. You're being a dick for no reason. Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product. You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff. As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention. Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
I may have just watched the wrong games, but I don't remember many cheesy games coming out of that. I particularly remember the finals being phenomenal.
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On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
You don't know the current MLG numbers because they haven't released them.
Also there's nothing that say that paying for hd is the best way to earn money. If you are right about MLG losing money you are in fact arguing against yourself and you shouldn't advocate it for other tournaments (paying for higher quality). If tournaments are doing as badly as some people say, why should everyone adopt the same strategy? That doesn't make any sense at all. If you are going to argue for something to pay, at least put a bit more effort into it. Personally I rarely pay for hd quality but I gladly pay for extra content. There's nothing to say that forcing the large majority of people (that's what happens) to watch low quality stream is good for buissness just because "that's what you do."
Also the comparison between dreamhack and tournaments like MLG (and simliar types) are off from the beginning. They have different buisness models (apart from the invitationals), making any comparison hardpressed to work.
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On March 22 2012 08:24 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:21 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 08:08 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 08:05 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:49 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:
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The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this?
I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief.
Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost. Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament. Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction. Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly. GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is. Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever. Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime. No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay. Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament" Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it. I'll just buy merchandise. You're being a dick for no reason. Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product. You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff. As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention. Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man. I may have just watched the wrong games, but I don't remember many cheesy games coming out of that. I particularly remember the finals being phenomenal.
Even though MLG Winter Arena was a really good event, there's no doubt about that 90% of were really cheesy. And the Casters discussed the matter all event long (the matter being why there was so much cheese). Besides DRGs game and most of the WR round 1 and LR round 1 games, most other games where kind of cheesy.
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On March 22 2012 08:12 RyanRushia wrote:
going to be living in italy for a year from August-june, hoping to make it to dreamhack!
lol, I hope you know Italy is nowhere near these Dreamhack stops.
Events are gonna be awesome tho! Finally a tournament who uses a good format. Groupplay into ro8 single elimination. 
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On March 22 2012 09:10 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:12 RyanRushia wrote:
going to be living in italy for a year from August-june, hoping to make it to dreamhack! lol, I hope you know Italy is nowhere near these Dreamhack stops. Events are gonna be awesome tho! Finally a tournament who uses a good format. Groupplay into ro8 single elimination.
Getting to Sweden from Italy isn't that expensive. As long as you book your flight in quite some time in advance you can easily get a turn&return ticket for arround 30-40 Euros if you book in an advance + travel with a cheap airline like Ryanair or something.
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Dreamhack allways has awesome producton value.
They do need to watch out that their prizepools for the 'qualification tournaments' aren't too low tho.
The IEM 'qualification' events for the main event had comparable prizepools and most of them only got like 20-30k viewers.
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On March 22 2012 06:59 l3AK3D wrote:
Meh. Europe.
This is a thread about Dreamhack. What were you expecting?
Wicked excited to see these events. Couch hwaiting!
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On March 22 2012 08:21 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:08 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 08:05 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:49 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost. Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament. Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction. Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly. GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is. Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever. Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime. No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay. Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament" Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it. I'll just buy merchandise. You're being a dick for no reason. Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product. You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff. As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention. Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
Tbh the only one looking like a dick is you with your arrogant and rather rude attitude.
Looking forward to Dreamhack, hope they're better than last year!
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What was the original title?
Dreamhack is always sick. Can't wait.
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On March 22 2012 09:45 Alryk wrote:
What was the original title?
Dreamhack 2012 stops
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XD that's hilarious. Again, DH will be awesome gogo hero!
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Valencia for second time. Im so glad
This time i will go!
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FREE HD.
THIS IS ESPORTS WILL WATCH ALL. <3
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I Love the whole concept, great changes from DreamHack this year.
How they Opened up the invititational format and created up a league to DH Winter on top of that. Huge Huge.
Glad they made this effort, will watch for sure.
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