All four Open Stops will be based on a new and open tournament format with more players participating than ever before. Each Tournament stop will have an open sign-up with a tournament fee. Each tournament consists of a group-stage format where only the best players will qualify for the single elimination playoffs. All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production. – We expand the format with one more tournament day, creating a new and more competitive atmosphere around each stop. We are keeping the best parts from the DreamHack Invitational format of having all important playoffs matches played on stage together with the unique DreamHack show attached to it, explains Nyström.
Top-2 finishers from each event will be directly qualified to the Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 (a total of 8 players), 12 players will be qualified through points from each DreamHack Open stop. Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 will offer one last chance to qualify to the event through the BYOC-qualifier, where 4 remaining players qualify for the main tournament. – DreamHack Winter 2012 will be much more exclusive compared to previous years. It will be harder to qualify for the Grand Finals in 2012. Players need to participate in one or more stops in order to deserve a slot in the Grand Finals, says Nyström.
lol omg what a thread title - you scared the shit out of me dude - had to read it 2 times! This could easily be misunderstood, as we do have a lot of members whose mother tongue ain´t English... Apart from that - pls change the thread title :D
//edit : Dreamhack always delivers - looking forward to some sick action packed games
On March 22 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote: lol omg what a thread title - you scared the shit out of me dude - had to read it 2 times! This could easily be misunderstood, as we do have a lot of members whose mother tongue ain´t English... Apart from that - pls change the thread title :D
//edit : Dreamhack always delivers - looking forward to some sick action packed games
My mother tongue is English and it still fooled me! Although that might be the uncanny amounts of sun Canada is receiving and this lovely beer speaking!
On March 22 2012 07:08 robih wrote: im curious to here how the open bracket works
From the link:
All four Open Stops will be based on a new and open tournament format with more players participating than ever before. Each Tournament stop will have an open sign-up with a tournament fee. Each tournament consists of a group-stage format where only the best players will qualify for the single elimination playoffs. All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production. – We expand the format with one more tournament day, creating a new and more competitive atmosphere around each stop. We are keeping the best parts from the DreamHack Invitational format of having all important playoffs matches played on stage together with the unique DreamHack show attached to it, explains Nyström.
I think the open tournament at DH Winter is a double elimination bracket. Been that every time so far
On March 22 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote: lol omg what a thread title - you scared the shit out of me dude - had to read it 2 times! This could easily be misunderstood, as we do have a lot of members whose mother tongue ain´t English... Apart from that - pls change the thread title :D
//edit : Dreamhack always delivers - looking forward to some sick action packed games
You are not the only one. I got scared for a second.
I almost got the fright of my life with that misleading title! Wow, what a shock. Also, what a relief when I found out that DreamHack will continue in 2012! Awesome lineup of events, and we all know that DreamHack delivers when it comes to nonstop action. Looking forward to it :D
I don't comprehend the meaning behind this, and am not sure what to make of it. It seems like you are either disappointed that the events will be hosted in Europe, and thus rendering you unable to attend; or it seems as if you are undermining European eSports events. If the latter is true, please do not do so again in the future because the way I see it, StarCraft is for everyone, and not just for US residents to enjoy. You have MLG, NASL and IPL. Let Europeans have their DH, HSC etc.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. (Or even a profit at all, probably)
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
If a large profit is made from making quality productions, we'll get more of them. Period.
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
Last DH Winter had HoN, CS 1.6, QL, Street fighter and Bloodline Champions tournaments aswell and probably more games that I don't remember. This is just an announcement of their SC2 tournament.
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
The case you are referring to that "eSports = SC2" is definitely not true at all. Many games are usually catered for at such events, and SC2 doesn't even get the largest attention overall. DreamHack may seem that it is biased towards other games, but it may just be because there is a lack of following for other competitive games. If, for example, WoW arena had a large fanbase, they might have considered putting the attention on that game. When you look at the wide spectrum of things, SC2 is most certainly not the cream of the crop when it comes to eSports. Games such as LoL, DotA and CS are much larger representatives of the scene than any other game.
EDIT - Like some have stated above, this was just the announcement of their SC2 tournament. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to get jittery about the subject at all.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
If you'd like to further fund DH I suggest you move to Sweden and pay taxes.
edit: I mean PAY TAXES. Also, you could consider perhaps sending A NICE WORD to the SPONSORS via some sort of SOCIAL MEDIA.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
If you want to make them more money then they according to themselves even need, donate. And an American with a sheep mentality trying to insult my intelligence is just laughable. Go give more money to your god Sundance, I'm sure he'll tell you again how poor, poor MLG will starve without it.
And Dreamhack DOES make good profits because they attract a lot of spectators, you know, people who buy tickets, merchandise, food, how the hell do you think they had the biggest events in the world until now? Sundance being too stupid to see that you can make money off of spectators does not mean you have to as well.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
I don't comprehend the meaning behind this, and am not sure what to make of it. It seems like you are either disappointed that the events will be hosted in Europe, and thus rendering you unable to attend; or it seems as if you are undermining European eSports events. If the latter is true, please do not do so again in the future because the way I see it, StarCraft is for everyone, and not just for US residents to enjoy. You have MLG, NASL and IPL, let Europeans have their DH, HSC etc.
One of his 14 posts are raving how incredible Homestory cup was. I don't know what part of the world he thinks germany is in.
I don't comprehend the meaning behind this, and am not sure what to make of it. It seems like you are either disappointed that the events will be hosted in Europe, and thus rendering you unable to attend; or it seems as if you are undermining European eSports events. If the latter is true, please do not do so again in the future because the way I see it, StarCraft is for everyone, and not just for US residents to enjoy. You have MLG, NASL and IPL, let Europeans have their DH, HSC etc.
One of his 14 posts are raving how incredible Homestory cup was. I don't know what part of the world he thinks germany is in.
I don't comprehend the meaning behind this, and am not sure what to make of it. It seems like you are either disappointed that the events will be hosted in Europe, and thus rendering you unable to attend; or it seems as if you are undermining European eSports events. If the latter is true, please do not do so again in the future because the way I see it, StarCraft is for everyone, and not just for US residents to enjoy. You have MLG, NASL and IPL, let Europeans have their DH, HSC etc.
One of his 14 posts are raving how incredible Homestory cup was. I don't know what part of the world he thinks germany is in.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
All four Open Stops will be based on a new and open tournament format with more players participating than ever before. Each Tournament stop will have an open sign-up with a tournament fee. Each tournament consists of a group-stage format where only the best players will qualify for the single elimination playoffs. All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production. – We expand the format with one more tournament day, creating a new and more competitive atmosphere around each stop. We are keeping the best parts from the DreamHack Invitational format of having all important playoffs matches played on stage together with the unique DreamHack show attached to it, explains Nyström.
Top-2 finishers from each event will be directly qualified to the Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 (a total of 8 players), 12 players will be qualified through points from each DreamHack Open stop. Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 will offer one last chance to qualify to the event through the BYOC-qualifier, where 4 remaining players qualify for the main tournament. – DreamHack Winter 2012 will be much more exclusive compared to previous years. It will be harder to qualify for the Grand Finals in 2012. Players need to participate in one or more stops in order to deserve a slot in the Grand Finals, says Nyström.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
You wish you could pay for something when it's free and the organizer is advocating for free streams? I don't understand...
Anyway, this is the tournament which i'm most pumped for, DH always delivers. And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either have 2gd or seemler as host... OR BOTH!
They will most likely have at least one of them since: 1) Twitch.TV is the partner of the event (Semlar, Apollo and 2GD all work for Twitch.TV Europe) 2) Dreamhack CEO Robert Ohlen and 2GD are really good friends so 2GD will probably make him have Semlar on anyway.
The title is misleading since the news is the amount of price money there is for each stop and some more information about the tournament. The locations were known before as they were announced previously.
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
It's posted in the SC2 section.
Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. (Or even a profit at all, probably)
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
If a large profit is made from making quality productions, we'll get more of them. Period.
Not sure if anyone tried it yet but been thinking perhaps the actual companies could find ways to run their businesses somehow.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
Unlike MLG tho, dreamhack is a massive lan with 13k~ people with PCs who all pay for seats/entry. There are also normal visitors w/o computers
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
It's posted in the SC2 section.
Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
so Open: means a lot of people? Sad... I wanted to see those small Lans, like Valencia and Stockholm, so we focus more on players (8-man) would be cool!
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
Unlike MLG tho, dreamhack is a massive lan with 13k~ people with PCs who all pay for seats/entry. There are also normal visitors w/o computers
Yeah, I'm not saying that DH is losing money or is going to be hurting, I just wish there was some incentive for people who aren't there to support the event, too.
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
It's posted in the SC2 section.
Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
For me it seems like you put forward a valid point there. If only you had explained your views a bit more in the original post these disputes may never have arose ^^
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
It's posted in the SC2 section.
Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
What the hell are you talking about? Dreamhack summer will include tournaments of StarCraft II, CS 1.6, Heroes Of Newerth, FIFA12 and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition with prize pools. So, why shouldn't you be considered a troll again?
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote: So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book.
It's posted in the SC2 section.
Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
What the hell are you talking about? Dreamhack summer will include tournaments of StarCraft II, CS 1.6, Heroes Of Newerth, FIFA12 and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition with prize pools. So, why shouldn't you be considered a troll again?
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been.
Hopefully you did not miss that quote.
My concern is not with DreamHack Summer, my concern is with the circuit only being a single game.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
Cant see why people hate on this? Its just all better for the scene lol.
Anyone know anything about tickets for the events? All i can see on the page is for the Summer LAN. Anyone see anything whould be nice if you can add to OP or yell ya'll
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
I bet you also wish someone charged you for breathing air. Well, your prayers have been answered. I will happily collect $10 for ever cubic liter of air that you inhale.
On March 22 2012 07:41 Corsica wrote: so Open: means a lot of people? Sad... I wanted to see those small Lans, like Valencia and Stockholm, so we focus more on players (8-man) would be cool!
No It's pretty much going to be the same, the only difference is that you'll be qualifiy for that 8-player stage.
"All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production."
On March 22 2012 07:48 mRandy wrote: Cant see why people hate on this? Its just all better for the scene lol.
Anyone know anything about tickets for the events? All i can see on the page is for the Summer LAN. Anyone see anything whould be nice if you can add to OP or yell ya'll
they said more info on player registration and tickers for spec coming in the next days
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
As I sarcastically tried to point out, it's quite safe to assume they have reasons for providing it for free.
And it's very innovative as the first foreign tournament to use booths and the couch to just give 2 examples. They've always delivered outstanding production.
Xenocide, DH is a huge part of Swedish gaming culture and they would stand to lose a lot of credibility if they adopted some sort of subscription model. And even with DH becoming increasingly corporate it should be noted that they still rely heavily on volunteers to run major events, which puts them apart from an MLG or a GSL. For example the network at the massive LAN party is set up by volunteers.
So, for now you'll basically have to live with free HD and support the tournament simply by watching or buying merch.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
Then donate or buy some merchandise you idiot.
If you want your feeling of getting something you can always pretend you could've only gotten the HD if you donated.
Your entire argument comes down to: "I want to support E-sports so I should be penalized if I don't." but for anyone who does not regularly pay for watching e-sports (most Europeans as far as I know) it sounds like your telling them they need to start paying while the tournament organizers see no need for it, hence the flaming. Put more thought into your posts if you don't want to piss people off.
And that people keep calling you American is because of your consumerist attitude, ofcourse there is little difference between Americans and Europeans intelligence-wise but Americans will on average be less skeptic to corporate advertisement and logic (probably because you have to watch so much of them).
And that's what the Sundance argument is (e-sports = dead without PPV), corporate advertisement that you gobbled up and made into your own philosophy.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
Then donate or buy some merchandise you idiot.
If you want your feeling of getting something you can always pretend you could've only gotten the HD if you donated.
Your entire argument comes down to: "I want to support E-sports so I should be penalized if I don't." but for anyone who does not regularly pay for watching e-sports (most Europeans as far as I know) it sounds like your telling them they need to start paying while the tournament organizers see no need for it, hence the flaming. Put more thought into your posts if you don't want to piss people off.
And that people keep calling you American is because of your consumerist attitude, ofcourse there is little difference between Americans and Europeans intelligence-wise but Americans will on average be less skeptic to corporate advertisement and logic (probably because you have to watch so much of them).
And that's what the Sundance argument is (e-sports = dead without PPV), corporate advertisement that you gobbled up and made into your own philosophy.
Not even trying to cover up the strawman arguments.
1) Explicitly said I'm not American several times. 2) Never said e-sports was going to die without PPV. Just said that more money = more events, which I want to see. There is no reverse-causal statement to that.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
Then donate or buy some merchandise you idiot.
If you want your feeling of getting something you can always pretend you could've only gotten the HD if you donated.
Your entire argument comes down to: "I want to support E-sports so I should be penalized if I don't." but for anyone who does not regularly pay for watching e-sports (most Europeans as far as I know) it sounds like your telling them they need to start paying while the tournament organizers see no need for it, hence the flaming. Put more thought into your posts if you don't want to piss people off.
And that people keep calling you American is because of your consumerist attitude, ofcourse there is little difference between Americans and Europeans intelligence-wise but Americans will on average be less skeptic to corporate advertisement and logic (probably because you have to watch so much of them).
And that's what the Sundance argument is (e-sports = dead without PPV), corporate advertisement that you gobbled up and made into your own philosophy.
Not even trying to cover up the strawman arguments.
1) Explicitly said I'm not American several times. 2) Never said e-sports was going to die without PPV. Just said that more money = more events, which I want to see. There is no reverse-causal statement to that.
Got some problems with this quote "2) Never said e-sports was going to die without PPV. Just said that more money = more events, which I want to see. There is no reverse-causal statement to that. "
Seeing that Dreamhack only did 2 events per year pre-Starcraft 2 with free streams and now with Starcraft 2 as one of the main games they added a couple of more events outside of sweden, how can PPV change that? If they had free streams beforehand, and now they do more events with free streams.
I think youre forgetting that Dreamhack is a LAN and not like MLG etc whos in it for the money (yes they need money from subscribers to pay for the events. DH doesnt.)
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Just drop it, no fruitful discussion is possible here. If he thinks this way it´s his cup of tea. Free speech gives him the right to be wrong about something.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
Then donate or buy some merchandise you idiot.
If you want your feeling of getting something you can always pretend you could've only gotten the HD if you donated.
Your entire argument comes down to: "I want to support E-sports so I should be penalized if I don't." but for anyone who does not regularly pay for watching e-sports (most Europeans as far as I know) it sounds like your telling them they need to start paying while the tournament organizers see no need for it, hence the flaming. Put more thought into your posts if you don't want to piss people off.
And that people keep calling you American is because of your consumerist attitude, ofcourse there is little difference between Americans and Europeans intelligence-wise but Americans will on average be less skeptic to corporate advertisement and logic (probably because you have to watch so much of them).
And that's what the Sundance argument is (e-sports = dead without PPV), corporate advertisement that you gobbled up and made into your own philosophy.
Not even trying to cover up the strawman arguments.
1) Explicitly said I'm not American several times. 2) Never said e-sports was going to die without PPV. Just said that more money = more events, which I want to see. There is no reverse-causal statement to that.
Do you even know what a strawman argument means?
1: You live in america and you have a massively consumerist attitude, which was the whole reason people called you american (in combination with the USA location), you being american was not the point, just a sheep that lacks critical thought when you have to judge anything Sundance said. 2: You said MLG was losing money, a straight up lie, PPV is irrelevant to that. And you might not support PPV but you practically breathe the rhetoric Sundance kept using during the whole MLG Winter debacle.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
Then donate or buy some merchandise you idiot.
If you want your feeling of getting something you can always pretend you could've only gotten the HD if you donated.
Your entire argument comes down to: "I want to support E-sports so I should be penalized if I don't." but for anyone who does not regularly pay for watching e-sports (most Europeans as far as I know) it sounds like your telling them they need to start paying while the tournament organizers see no need for it, hence the flaming. Put more thought into your posts if you don't want to piss people off.
And that people keep calling you American is because of your consumerist attitude, ofcourse there is little difference between Americans and Europeans intelligence-wise but Americans will on average be less skeptic to corporate advertisement and logic (probably because you have to watch so much of them).
And that's what the Sundance argument is (e-sports = dead without PPV), corporate advertisement that you gobbled up and made into your own philosophy.
Not even trying to cover up the strawman arguments.
1) Explicitly said I'm not American several times. 2) Never said e-sports was going to die without PPV. Just said that more money = more events, which I want to see. There is no reverse-causal statement to that.
Do you even know what a strawman argument means?
1: You live in america and you have a massively consumerist attitude, which was the whole reason people called you american (in combination with the USA location), you being american was not the point, just a sheep that lacks critical thought when you have to judge anything Sundance said. 2: You said MLG was losing money, a straight up lie, PPV is irrelevant to that. And you might not support PPV but you practically breathe the rhetoric Sundance kept using during the whole MLG Winter debacle.
Lol, read my last post.
I'm done with you, you're either stupid/didn't read my last post/trolling.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
I would actually say DH would "loose" money having this as a PPV for high quality. DH dont "want" to make money on the esports aspects. It is just something to promote the DH name, and hence the "real" events, being you pay lots of money to come to DH Winter, or Summer. By them having free streams, all their events will have a bigger impact because you remember, "oh hey, DH is free, DH is cool, I WANT TO GO TO A DH". Want to support them? Just watch dude... Really want to support it? Go to a DH!
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
I would actually say DH would "loose" money having this as a PPV for high quality. DH dont "want" to make money on the esports aspects. It is just something to promote the DH name, and hence the "real" events, being you pay lots of money to come to DH Winter, or Summer. By them having free streams, all their events will have a bigger impact because you remember, "oh hey, DH is free, DH is cool, I WANT TO GO TO A DH". Want to support them? Just watch dude... Really want to support it? Go to a DH!
Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. But supporting it by actually going to an event simply isn't possible for me. I'd love to pay them 10-15 bucks to watch online, but actually traveling there would cost me thousands of dollars, which I simply can't afford.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
I'll just buy merchandise.
You're being a dick for no reason.
Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product.
You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff.
As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention.
Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
I'll just buy merchandise.
You're being a dick for no reason.
HSC and MLG are to very different tournaments with very different formats. MLG's most important asset has been it's crowd and a lot of it's hype got created that way. HSCs format on the other hand is to have pro's interact with the online audience by most notably shoutcasting.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
I'll just buy merchandise.
You're being a dick for no reason.
Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product.
You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff.
As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention.
Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
I may have just watched the wrong games, but I don't remember many cheesy games coming out of that. I particularly remember the finals being phenomenal.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
You don't know the current MLG numbers because they haven't released them.
Also there's nothing that say that paying for hd is the best way to earn money. If you are right about MLG losing money you are in fact arguing against yourself and you shouldn't advocate it for other tournaments (paying for higher quality). If tournaments are doing as badly as some people say, why should everyone adopt the same strategy? That doesn't make any sense at all. If you are going to argue for something to pay, at least put a bit more effort into it. Personally I rarely pay for hd quality but I gladly pay for extra content. There's nothing to say that forcing the large majority of people (that's what happens) to watch low quality stream is good for buissness just because "that's what you do."
Also the comparison between dreamhack and tournaments like MLG (and simliar types) are off from the beginning. They have different buisness models (apart from the invitationals), making any comparison hardpressed to work.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
I'll just buy merchandise.
You're being a dick for no reason.
Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product.
You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff.
As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention.
Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
I may have just watched the wrong games, but I don't remember many cheesy games coming out of that. I particularly remember the finals being phenomenal.
Even though MLG Winter Arena was a really good event, there's no doubt about that 90% of were really cheesy. And the Casters discussed the matter all event long (the matter being why there was so much cheese). Besides DRGs game and most of the WR round 1 and LR round 1 games, most other games where kind of cheesy.
On March 22 2012 08:12 RyanRushia wrote: going to be living in italy for a year from August-june, hoping to make it to dreamhack!
lol, I hope you know Italy is nowhere near these Dreamhack stops.
Events are gonna be awesome tho! Finally a tournament who uses a good format. Groupplay into ro8 single elimination.
Getting to Sweden from Italy isn't that expensive. As long as you book your flight in quite some time in advance you can easily get a turn&return ticket for arround 30-40 Euros if you book in an advance + travel with a cheap airline like Ryanair or something.
Dreamhack allways has awesome producton value. They do need to watch out that their prizepools for the 'qualification tournaments' aren't too low tho. The IEM 'qualification' events for the main event had comparable prizepools and most of them only got like 20-30k viewers.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD.
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
Mostly cheesy games. Same downtime as other MLG's. No crowd. No meaningfull player interaction.
Your not very good at one liners are you? Also funny how you refuse to respond to any of the actually important statements, must feel bad to get your arguments stomped so badly.
GTFO of my discussion, at least until you learn what a discussion is.
Mostly cheesy games? I can't think of many notable games that were very cheesy, regardless. That's not any organizations fault if it does happen. It's a simple fact that it had the most impressive lineup of any foreign tournament ever.
Down time? There were 4 streams going at a time, all had a game on. I experienced literally zero downtime.
No crowd is a cool thing, actually, are you saying HSC is a bad tournament, too? Sure, it's not needed for every event, but personal environment for the players legitimately does breed better gameplay.
Player interaction may have not been fully executed, but it certainly wasn't bad enough to call it a "bad tournament"
Stop arguing. We don't even really disagree. I think that MLG's format was problematic, so do you. I think content should be offered for free, so do you. Maybe HD streams isn't the best way to support the event, I just want some way to do it.
I'll just buy merchandise.
You're being a dick for no reason.
Did you ever hear Tastosis say "This is the sickest game since ..." with a cheesy game? It might not be MLG's fault but it still where detrimental to the eventual product.
You seem to completely misunderstand what made HSC so good, the reason we did not care about crowds there because it was a very homely atmosphere and we got TONS of player interaction, Winter Arena has no homely feeling because it was shot in a massive office and the player interaction was a joke. They tried to copy HSC but completely failed a gave up the audience without the payoff.
As the poster before my last post noted, this discussion is going nowhere so I will cut it out but realize with your first post you made yourself look like a dick to anyone who's not used to paying for SC2 streams, even if this was not your intention.
Edit: and good job at making another post purely to avoid any discussion because you know you can't win it. You'd be a great politician man.
Tbh the only one looking like a dick is you with your arrogant and rather rude attitude.
Looking forward to Dreamhack, hope they're better than last year!
I Love the whole concept, great changes from DreamHack this year. How they Opened up the invititational format and created up a league to DH Winter on top of that. Huge Huge.
Why would'nt they? Seattle has been a location of esports events in the past (WCG 2007 grand finals for example) and Dreamhack has held many events in countrys abroad (Singapore, Spain, France, Bosnia for example).
On March 22 2012 10:39 clever_us wrote: Am I missing something? What's the location of the June one? Or is there a city named "summer" i'm unaware of? O.o
The main events (Summer and Winter) are always held in Jönköping, Sweden.
On March 22 2012 10:39 clever_us wrote: Am I missing something? What's the location of the June one? Or is there a city named "summer" i'm unaware of? O.o
The main events (Summer and Winter) are always held in Jönköping, Sweden.
I see! Thank you very much I'm going to be in Germany over the summer so I'm thinking about trying to make a trip
I got to this thread just now, read the first two pages about how everyone was confused and shocked by the title, and wondered how a thread with a name regarding the Dreamhack places could be misinterpreted.
And then I read this:
On March 22 2012 07:16 GMarshal wrote: renamed "stops" to "locations" to remove confusion
On March 22 2012 14:27 losefastTV wrote: Wait...it says summer. I don't know what country summer is in.
are you a troll? summer is summer. summer is the sun, green grass, lots of birds, warm water, half naked wommens, bbq:s, beachpartys, tequilas and all the beer you can drink. familiar?
On March 22 2012 14:40 Laplaces_imp wrote: Awesome, looking forward to seeing if any foreigners will be able to clinch first place, stephano might be able to do it if polt doesn't show up ^^
last dreamhack naniwa owned up stephano easy so. and i dont know if they meet after that. so i think naniwa will do it again with ez!
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
Wow! If there was ever something "killing eSports", then it was to make people pay for content.
Look at League of Legends: It's free and TONS of people play it with a rising tendency. Same with Lord of the Rings Online (I think it was): after they switched from obligatory payment to making it free with additional content you could buy, they made much more money than before.
Look at how the SHOUTcraft Invitational grew by nothing but ad revenue and the support of the community. It is a great example of how the community loves this game: So much that they pay for it without having to.
There are people who just can't afford paying for a stream - at least not on every tournament they want to watch. Like kids or people from poor countries. Then there are the people who are new to eSports and want to have a peek. They surely will be deterred by having to pay for a nice stream.
I can't believe you actually want them to charge for HD. If you want to give them your money, you can always donate, you know?
On March 22 2012 06:58 Doublemint wrote: lol omg what a thread title - you scared the shit out of me dude - had to read it 2 times! This could easily be misunderstood, as we do have a lot of members whose mother tongue ain´t English... Apart from that - pls change the thread title :D
//edit : Dreamhack always delivers - looking forward to some sick action packed games
On March 22 2012 15:19 JustPassingBy wrote: Where are Summer and Winter taking place?
anyways, looking forward to the upcoming season, the format looks great!
Dreamhack Summer and Winter takes place in Jönköping, Sweden, If they dont change the venue cause they need bigger space, but for the last 10 or so years, it's been in Jönköping
On March 22 2012 15:19 JustPassingBy wrote: Where are Summer and Winter taking place?
anyways, looking forward to the upcoming season, the format looks great!
Dreamhack Summer and Winter takes place in Jönköping, Sweden, If they dont change the venue cause they need bigger space, but for the last 10 or so years, it's been in Jönköping
i can say for surtian that they will be in Jönköping, Sweden as always. i have already bought my ticket to DreamHack summer.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it?
What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing).
You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem.
You're not too smart, huh?
These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. (Or even a profit at all, probably)
if you like something, PAY FOR IT.
If a large profit is made from making quality productions, we'll get more of them. Period.
Obviously you don't know much about how DreamHack is run. They have a different business model than IEM, MLG, etc.
DreamHack is the world's largest LAN event. They make a shit ton of money off of their events from all of the BYOC competitors that come. Competing for pro players in the LAN is also not free. Saying that DH doesn't make a big profit (and even saying they don't make any) is so incredibly false...
It's not JUST a competitve esports event. It's more like a festival with concerts, thousands and thousands of gamers in one room playing under one roof. Don't call someone not smart when obviously you don't know much about DH.
On March 22 2012 16:25 Xeris wrote: Seems like theyre just morphing into the MLG of Europe with the diff stops, open bracket system, etc.
Either way, sooo awesome ! Really wanna go this year
DH has always had open brackets for their non-invitational events, just that they've been BYOC. Only thing that changes is some non-swedish locations so think it's unfair to call it "the MLG of Europe" as it's very different from it. The closest to that title would be IEM, despite its lack of open offline qualification.
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
Wow! If there was ever something "killing eSports", then it was to make people pay for content.
Look at League of Legends: It's free and TONS of people play it with a rising tendency. Same with Lord of the Rings Online (I think it was): after they switched from obligatory payment to making it free with additional content you could buy, they made much more money than before.
Look at how the SHOUTcraft Invitational grew by nothing but ad revenue and the support of the community. It is a great example of how the community loves this game: So much that they pay for it without having to.
There are people who just can't afford paying for a stream - at least not on every tournament they want to watch. Like kids or people from poor countries. Then there are the people who are new to eSports and want to have a peek. They surely will be deterred by having to pay for a nice stream.
I can't believe you actually want them to charge for HD. If you want to give them your money, you can always donate, you know?
You give your example of LoL being free and making money etc etc.. But they made money by providing ADDITIONAL bonuses ontop of the game.
Think of it like that: Free steam = low quality, if you want bonus quality, you pay for it!
Your example of the SCI doesn't weight much. SCI is an online tournament, not a LAN event. I doubt the whole SC2 community can 'pay without paying' for a venue and all the legal shenanigans that come with it, staff costs, production costs, not to mention, for example, TB's time he has to spend on actually organizing accommodation, stream scheduling, booths and a safe play area. Not to mention the physiological effects of stress and anxiety of planning such an event.
You make it sound as if you're not actually going to be able to watch DH with your sentence structures, I personally feel like I am cheating DH when I watch their free HD. This isn't killing E-Sports, it's putting your money into something you love so that something can strive. If asking people to pay for additional benefits is a way to put your money into something where you get something immediately back from, then I don't see why not. Stop acting like a spoilt brat. If people don't have money to pay for a HD stream then they probably don't have enough money to pay for an internet bill that can support a HD stream. If you're a kid and you can't convince your parents to pay for it for you, then guess what? Who's fault is that? Yours. Show them you have a passion for it, show them it's not a waste of money to you.
I think you, of all people should be the last person to tell someone how to spend their money as well, quit being that little kid that wants everything to be the same, always.
On March 22 2012 16:29 mki wrote: Obviously you don't know much about how DreamHack is run. They have a different business model than IEM, MLG, etc.
DreamHack is the world's largest LAN event. They make a shit ton of money off of their events from all of the BYOC competitors that come. Competing for pro players in the LAN is also not free. Saying that DH doesn't make a big profit (and even saying they don't make any) is so incredibly false...
Dreamhack AB (AB is Swedens version of Ltd) just about broke even 2008, and in the red numbers 2009 and 2010. So saying they make "shit ton of money" is a bit of an overstatement.
On March 22 2012 16:29 mki wrote: Obviously you don't know much about how DreamHack is run. They have a different business model than IEM, MLG, etc.
DreamHack is the world's largest LAN event. They make a shit ton of money off of their events from all of the BYOC competitors that come. Competing for pro players in the LAN is also not free. Saying that DH doesn't make a big profit (and even saying they don't make any) is so incredibly false...
Dreamhack AB (AB is Swedens version of Ltd) just about broke even 2008, and in the red numbers 2009 and 2010. So saying they make "shit ton of money" is a bit of an overstatement.
The people that run DH are on full time salaries that are included in the statements.
Sure, I love that I get it for free, mad props to them for that, but we as an audience can't expect esports as a business to stick around if we're going to have everything for free.
On March 22 2012 18:02 Infernux wrote: I actually wish they'd charge for HD.
Sure, I love that I get it for free, mad props to them for that, but we as an audience can't expect esports as a business to stick around if we're going to have everything for free.
But don't speak in their behalf. If they think they don't need it don't cry like it's their doom.
On March 22 2012 18:02 Infernux wrote: I actually wish they'd charge for HD.
Sure, I love that I get it for free, mad props to them for that, but we as an audience can't expect esports as a business to stick around if we're going to have everything for free.
But don't speak in their behalf. If they think they don't need it don't cry like it's their doom.
exactly if they can be profitable by offering this for free why should we stop them.
I got some questions for anyone that has more experience than me with DH Open events.
1. Will I miss anything with the day pass rather than tournament pass, as a SC2 spectator with an already booked hotel room? (maybe a party or something interesting that happens after 22:00).
2. Am I to expect the prices for the DH Open events to be the same as the ones posted on their website for Summer 2012?
3. Getting the best seats in the house - one may accomplish this by making an early booking or there is something more to take in consideration?
On March 22 2012 21:27 Snoe wrote: I got some questions for anyone that has more experience than me with DH Open events.
1. Will I miss anything with the day pass rather than tournament pass, as a SC2 spectator with an already booked hotel room? (maybe a party or something interesting that happens after 22:00).
2. Am I to expect the prices for the DH Open events to be the same as the ones posted on their website for Summer 2012?
3. Getting the best seats in the house - one may accomplish this by making an early booking or there is something more to take in consideration?
Thanks in advance.
1) Can't answer that 2) The DH Open events will probably be cheaper than DH Summer tickets. 3) Not really.
On March 22 2012 17:21 onedayclose wrote: I feel this was announced a month or two ago. Summer and Winter have no location listed. Please convert finals prize pool into US dollars!
Shamelessly stolen from r/starcraft
DreamHack Open Stops:
DreamHack Open: Stockholm - April 21-22 (Prize purse: USD 23 400)
Some nice prizes, really cool, I hope to be involved. Also, what was the original thread name, I got curious after reading a lot of the comments in the begining of the thread
Free HD is something they probably do beacuse they have Telia as a sponsor. Telia runs an IP backbone trough europe and runs the EU battle.net backbone etc. Telia and other sponsor builds an insane internet connection just for the DH summer/Winter events.
The sponsor will of course showcase this for the viewers = Free HD stream. If other events would have a very big IP fund their bandwith and connection for the streams, more would be free.
Edit: And Twitch as a partner for the encoding/distribution worldwide also makes for HD as a promotion tool.
On March 22 2012 22:08 Jiddra wrote: Free HD is something they probably do beacuse they have Telia as a sponsor. Telia runs an IP backbone trough europe and runs the EU battle.net backbone etc. Telia and other sponsor builds an insane internet connection just for the DH summer/Winter events.
The sponsor will of course showcase this for the viewers = Free HD stream. If other events would have a very big IP fund their bandwith and connection for the streams, more would be free.
yeah Telia is a monster sponsor for Dreamhack. And by supporting eSports and providing full quality streams they get alot of attention and possibly new customers so taking charge for watching probably isn't something that they want. Not something Dreamhack wants eihter.
Computer festival DreamHack may call for cultural events, it beats both administrative law and appeal fixed.
The festival has been in a dispute with the Tax Board, where the agency maintains that DreamHack will be classified as a strict computer events and therefore pay 25 percent VAT.
But DreamHack won the dispute and now a lower rate of six percent shall apply to portions of ticket revenues because the festival is classified as a cultural event, according to 4, Jönköping.
“Each event consists of two days – one of round robin and one of the finals, with a fully produced show built around it,” says Nyström.
"This means that 128 of the best Starcraft 2 players in the world get a shot at glory at each event. Besides the glory there is also a fat cheque at the end of the line. The prize money totals at 1.2 million Swedish kronor, with 550.000 being splashed out during the grand final in December."
Apparently more information regarding DH Stockholm will come out later today but it's very nice to see them expand with even more players!
I wish the dreamhack guys would bring an event to the states, I'd def try to make it if they did. Either way they always put on a good tourney, looking forward to this year!
I hope 2GD will be the host. Or the guy from Assemply was pretty good aswell. Just dont bring the last host from Dreamhack winter he was proberly the worst I have ever seen.
On March 22 2012 22:07 OminouS wrote: Some nice prizes, really cool, I hope to be involved. Also, what was the original thread name, I got curious after reading a lot of the comments in the begining of the thread
its was ''Dreamhack 2012 stops'' I tought Dreamhack was going to stop, scared the hell out of me lol
On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote: Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
You wish you could pay for something when it's free and the organizer is advocating for free streams? I don't understand...
Anyway, this is the tournament which i'm most pumped for, DH always delivers. And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either have 2gd or seemler as host... OR BOTH!
I wish that they would start monetizing e-sports so it can grow?
Do you think DH isn't profiting from these? Lol, trust me they are, and if they thought it was necessary to charge for the stream they would. Don't worry.
On March 22 2012 18:02 Infernux wrote: I actually wish they'd charge for HD.
Sure, I love that I get it for free, mad props to them for that, but we as an audience can't expect esports as a business to stick around if we're going to have everything for free.
you are a true norwegian! and whit that i mean dumb
you clearly dont know how DH makes money. you think the only way is to get money from payed streams. this is not the first time for DH to give us free HD streams so that speaks for itself. so show the swedish people that you norwegian are not that dumb as we want you to be so we can have a good laugh and say "i get it"
On March 22 2012 16:58 MonkSEA wrote:I personally feel like I am cheating DH when I watch their free HD. This isn't killing E-Sports, it's putting your money into something you love so that something can strive. If asking people to pay for additional benefits is a way to put your money into something where you get something immediately back from, then I don't see why not. Stop acting like a spoilt brat. If people don't have money to pay for a HD stream then they probably don't have enough money to pay for an internet bill that can support a HD stream. If you're a kid and you can't convince your parents to pay for it for you, then guess what? Who's fault is that? Yours. Show them you have a passion for it, show them it's not a waste of money to you.
I think you, of all people should be the last person to tell someone how to spend their money as well, quit being that little kid that wants everything to be the same, always.
I don't tell anyone what or what they should do with their money. Nor do I want everything to be the same (it's normal these days to charge for a HD stream - that would make DH something different, not "the same") I think you misunderstood something there.
You feel like cheating DH when you use a service THEY provide for free? Maybe this is because you are from the other end of the world, but where I come from, we are thankful if people provide us with something for free and enjoy that fact. Plus, if someone provides his content for free, I assume that they want it to be free and can afford it. If they would need the money to continue making DH, then they would charge for it. Thinking they would not do so means one thinks that they are dumb.
There are people who maybe can afford an internet connection, but that doesn't mean that they can afford HD stream. If they for example only have the money to buy the neccessary things and there is just enough left over for a connection, they just CANT buy a HD pass.
Again, I don't know how you guys handle it over there, but I for example am pretty sure my parents wouldn't have bought me HD streams for any big event - even if I would've begged for it - especially not if there is a free stream aswell. They gave me a little amount of money every month (not even enough to buy one MLG Arena pass every 2 months) to show me the worth of money and that it's not something to spend lightly. If I ran out of money I had to wait for the next month, I couldn't just ask them for more. If you enjoyed this luxury as a kid, my congratulations.
I still don't get why people who want to spend their money to support something don't just DONATE. Maybe it's not really about supporting someone but about feeling superior to others because one does get something they don't if they pay for HD.
I can't point that out more: If you feel that someone deserves money for what they do, donate! It's much more appreciated than just paying for an offer, because it shows that you like what they do instead of just showing that you want that content.
On March 22 2012 16:58 MonkSEA wrote:I personally feel like I am cheating DH when I watch their free HD. This isn't killing E-Sports, it's putting your money into something you love so that something can strive. If asking people to pay for additional benefits is a way to put your money into something where you get something immediately back from, then I don't see why not. Stop acting like a spoilt brat. If people don't have money to pay for a HD stream then they probably don't have enough money to pay for an internet bill that can support a HD stream. If you're a kid and you can't convince your parents to pay for it for you, then guess what? Who's fault is that? Yours. Show them you have a passion for it, show them it's not a waste of money to you.
I think you, of all people should be the last person to tell someone how to spend their money as well, quit being that little kid that wants everything to be the same, always.
I don't tell anyone what or what they should do with their money. Nor do I want everything to be the same (it's normal these days to charge for a HD stream - that would make DH something different, not "the same") I think you misunderstood something there.
You feel like cheating DH when you use a service THEY provide for free? Maybe this is because you are from the other end of the world, but where I come from, we are thankful if people provide us with something for free and enjoy that fact. Plus, if someone provides his content for free, I assume that they want it to be free and can afford it. If they would need the money to continue making DH, then they would charge for it. Thinking they would not do so means one thinks that they are dumb.
There are people who maybe can afford an internet connection, but that doesn't mean that they can afford HD stream. If they for example only have the money to buy the neccessary things and there is just enough left over for a connection, they just CANT buy a HD pass.
Again, I don't know how you guys handle it over there, but I for example am pretty sure my parents wouldn't have bought me HD streams for any big event - even if I would've begged for it - especially not if there is a free stream aswell. They gave me a little amount of money every month (not even enough to buy one MLG Arena pass every 2 months) to show me the worth of money and that it's not something to spend lightly. If I ran out of money I had to wait for the next month, I couldn't just ask them for more. If you enjoyed this luxury as a kid, my congratulations.
I still don't get why people who want to spend their money to support something don't just DONATE. Maybe it's not really about supporting someone but about feeling superior to others because one does get something they don't if they pay for HD.
I can't point that out more: If you feel that someone deserves money for what they do, donate! It's much more appreciated than just paying for an offer, because it shows that you like what they do instead of just showing that you want that content.
I bolded the parts where you're telling us how to spend our money.
Having a debate with you is like whacking your head on a brick wall, I'm not going to debate how different parents act, nor am I going to reinstate any of my previously posted points, as you didn't provide any new points. Good day sir.
Will I need to bring my own computer to compete in the open bracket or is that just for the casual lan players? I don't really want to fly with my entire computer from poland haha
On March 23 2012 15:25 MonkSEA wrote: I bolded the parts where you're telling us how to spend our money.
Having a debate with you is like whacking your head on a brick wall, I'm not going to debate how different parents act, nor am I going to reinstate any of my previously posted points, as you didn't provide any new points. Good day sir.
Yes, I told that in my second post, which was after your accusation. In my first post I asked a question. I had to phrase it like this because apparently its content gets ignored while its rhetorical structure (or whatever the term or word would be in english) doesn't.
But yeah, I think you shouldn't debate, because you are apparently not open for different perspectives and start to insult me instead of answering my questions or reflecting the arguments I provide. Good day aswell.
For all the others who think DH should charge for HD: Why don't you guys donate if you want them to get money?
On March 23 2012 15:03 HKarmY wrote: So where is Dreamhack summer? I'm going to be in Poland and want to attend as many of these as I can but need to start planning them now.
Summer and Winter is always in Jönköping (Google Maps)
On March 23 2012 15:33 HKarmY wrote: Will I need to bring my own computer to compete in the open bracket or is that just for the casual lan players? I don't really want to fly with my entire computer from poland haha
This looks great! I cant wait, i am going to attend one this year!!
but i cant help feel like the locations are all around the fringe of Europe, some thing in France or Germany would seem more logical to me than Bucharest
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