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On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_?
Please, learn to read.
I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there.
Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
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Other interesting stuff from this announcement. OP should have put a little bit more effort in although you can all see it in the link...
The open tournament format:
+ Show Spoiler +All four Open Stops will be based on a new and open tournament format with more players participating than ever before. Each Tournament stop will have an open sign-up with a tournament fee. Each tournament consists of a group-stage format where only the best players will qualify for the single elimination playoffs. All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production.
– We expand the format with one more tournament day, creating a new and more competitive atmosphere around each stop. We are keeping the best parts from the DreamHack Invitational format of having all important playoffs matches played on stage together with the unique DreamHack show attached to it, explains Nyström.
How to qualify for the grand finals:
+ Show Spoiler +Top-2 finishers from each event will be directly qualified to the Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 (a total of 8 players), 12 players will be qualified through points from each DreamHack Open stop. Grand Finals at DreamHack Winter 2012 will offer one last chance to qualify to the event through the BYOC-qualifier, where 4 remaining players qualify for the main tournament.
– DreamHack Winter 2012 will be much more exclusive compared to previous years. It will be harder to qualify for the Grand Finals in 2012. Players need to participate in one or more stops in order to deserve a slot in the Grand Finals, says Nyström.
Qualification map:
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 22 2012 06:59 windzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. You wish you could pay for something when it's free and the organizer is advocating for free streams? I don't understand... Anyway, this is the tournament which i'm most pumped for, DH always delivers. And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either have 2gd or seemler as host... OR BOTH!
They will most likely have at least one of them since:
1) Twitch.TV is the partner of the event (Semlar, Apollo and 2GD all work for Twitch.TV Europe)
2) Dreamhack CEO Robert Ohlen and 2GD are really good friends so 2GD will probably make him have Semlar on anyway.
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The title is misleading since the news is the amount of price money there is for each stop and some more information about the tournament. The locations were known before as they were announced previously.
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On March 22 2012 07:25 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote:
So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book. It's posted in the SC2 section. Go. Away. Troll.
Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer.
I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game.
My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene
I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff).
I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
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On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. (Or even a profit at all, probably) if you like something, PAY FOR IT. If a large profit is made from making quality productions, we'll get more of them. Period. Not sure if anyone tried it yet but been thinking perhaps the actual companies could find ways to run their businesses somehow.
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On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
Unlike MLG tho, dreamhack is a massive lan with 13k~ people with PCs who all pay for seats/entry. There are also normal visitors w/o computers
On March 22 2012 07:38 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:25 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote:
So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book. It's posted in the SC2 section. Go. Away. Troll. Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer. I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game. My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym. Show nested quote +Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff). I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
Dreamhack still has other esports, there is just no reason to post them on a SC2 forum, if you want check http://www.dreamhack.se/dhs12/esport/
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so Open: means a lot of people? Sad... I wanted to see those small Lans, like Valencia and Stockholm, so we focus more on players (8-man) would be cool!
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On March 22 2012 07:39 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. Unlike MLG tho, dreamhack is a massive lan with 13k~ people with PCs who all pay for seats/entry. There are also normal visitors w/o computers
Yeah, I'm not saying that DH is losing money or is going to be hurting, I just wish there was some incentive for people who aren't there to support the event, too.
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On March 22 2012 07:38 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:25 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote:
So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book. It's posted in the SC2 section. Go. Away. Troll. Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer. I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game. My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym. Show nested quote +Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff). I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
For me it seems like you put forward a valid point there. If only you had explained your views a bit more in the original post these disputes may never have arose ^^
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On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US.
If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
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On March 22 2012 07:38 Xacez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:25 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote:
So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book. It's posted in the SC2 section. Go. Away. Troll. Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer. I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game. My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym. Show nested quote +Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff). I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that.
What the hell are you talking about? Dreamhack summer will include tournaments of StarCraft II, CS 1.6, Heroes Of Newerth, FIFA12 and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition with prize pools. So, why shouldn't you be considered a troll again?
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On March 22 2012 07:43 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no?
What the hell are you talking about? Keep the nationalistic shit out of it. Just because I'm from USA (just living here for a few months, anyways, not from) doesn't mean I care/support MLG. I explicitly said paying for HD, not paying to watch anything at all. A free Standard stream and a paid HD is something fine, and a way I WANT to support Dreamhack.
I'm fine with the decision, never said I wasn't, just would prefer to be able to toss something small their way, and get something out of it.
Drop it, not a big deal.
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On March 22 2012 07:44 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:38 Xacez wrote:On March 22 2012 07:25 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Xacez wrote:
So only one game? I am starting to get a bit annoyed over the eSports = SC2 synonym.
Now if you will excuse, I have an hotel to book. It's posted in the SC2 section. Go. Away. Troll. Wait, what? How am I a troll for expressing my personal opinion regarding today's announcements? Am I not allowed to express some form of negativity? I expected DreamHack to have at least a secondary game, be it either DotA2 or CS 1.6 due to their popularity in Sweden, or even Quake Live since that has already been announced for DreamHack Summer. I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. But I am annoyed by the fact that their eSports will only contain a single game. If more games were there for the circuit, they would have been announced today. Their Head of eSports stated a few minutes ago on Twitter that additional details for tickets and the Arena for the Stockholm is going to be announced in the upcoming days, but nothing about a new game. My main point stems from this statement made from the announcement, marking the eSports = SC2 synonym. Our ambition is to create something unique and solid for the European eSports scene I will still be watching, I would not be a fan of the game if I decided to turn it down, and as last year I will be at both DreamHack Summer/Winter to watch it live (not Stockholm due to financial stuff). I believe I may have gone a bit off-topic here, my apologies for that. What the hell are you talking about? Dreamhack summer will include tournaments of StarCraft II, CS 1.6, Heroes Of Newerth, FIFA12 and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition with prize pools. So, why shouldn't you be considered a troll again? I am expecting multiple games to be at DreamHack Summer/Winter, as it always has been. Hopefully you did not miss that quote.
My concern is not with DreamHack Summer, my concern is with the circuit only being a single game.
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On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money.
If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they?
Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense.
Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine.
And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess).
Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
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On March 22 2012 07:46 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:43 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. In your first post (which also was the first reply of this thread) you mentioned paying for HD, in the following replies you just said "Pay for it", which strongly suggests the MLG way since you are also from the US. If the company providing the service is content with their decision so should you. Or maybe they should hire you - your decision obviously is better, no? Drop it, not a big deal.
Strongly agree with this.
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Cant see why people hate on this? Its just all better for the scene lol.
Anyone know anything about tickets for the events? All i can see on the page is for the Summer LAN. Anyone see anything whould be nice if you can add to OP or yell ya'll
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On March 22 2012 07:47 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:35 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 22 2012 07:26 XenocideFTW wrote:On March 22 2012 07:24 Scootaloo wrote:On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless. The tournament would be better for you if you had to pay for it? What kind of elitist crap is that seriously? You enjoy it more if only the true defenders of e-sports can watch this? I'm guessing you're one of the people who believed Sundance when he said PPV was needed for e-sports or it could not grow anymore (despite Dreamhack and most other tournaments completely disagreeing). You where fed a lie so MLG could make more money, and you turned it into a devout belief. Good job man, show us that corporate indoctrination is still a serious problem. You're not too smart, huh? These companies like Dreamhack do NOT make as large of a profit as it SHOULD. if you like something, PAY FOR IT. ... We like Sc2 - we bought it, we keep playing it, we like it so much we post on forums specifically because of this game, we watch the streams available - DH buys for it with sponsors/ads. What´s the problem here? They are not a charity? Just because MLG went PPV all have to do it ?_? Please, learn to read. I never advocated what MLG did. I never advocated PPV. Just paying for a high quality stream. That's a way that people can/will support without actually being there. Also, to everyone else, MLG *is* losing money. If they don't need the money for the HQ stream, why would they? Also MLG is not losing money, please stop spouting nonsense. Sundance needed more cash because he wanted to do 'more' which was his excuse for PPV (which in this case was a pretty bad tournament, the Winter Arena), he NEVER FUCKING SAID MLG was losing money, parts of it where losing him money, like the stupid Halo shit he keeps wanting to plug, but SC2 has always done fine. And as I recall from the LO3 ep with Sundance both DJWheat and SirScoots called him out for being incredibly wasteful when it comes to the events themselves, and instead of cutting some unneeded crap preferred to go for fan money by screaming E-sports will die without it (and the second time that he's done it, first where the Gold passess). Please stop lying to prove a point you already lost.
Your credibility went away when you called Winter Arena a bad tournament.
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On March 22 2012 06:57 XenocideFTW wrote:
Sick! Wish they'd charge something for HD, but should be great nonetheless.
I bet you also wish someone charged you for breathing air. Well, your prayers have been answered. I will happily collect $10 for ever cubic liter of air that you inhale. 
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On March 22 2012 07:41 Corsica wrote:
so Open: means a lot of people? Sad... I wanted to see those small Lans, like Valencia and Stockholm, so we focus more on players (8-man) would be cool!
No It's pretty much going to be the same, the only difference is that you'll be qualifiy for that 8-player stage.
"All quarter-finals, semi-finals and the Grand Finals will be played on a stage in-front of a huge audience with a full show production."
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