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nicotn
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 21:07:09
March 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#681
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#682
On March 18 2012 05:38 nicotn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 20:52 Xxio wrote:
I hope KeSPA continues to enforce progamer licensing. Need to keep the randoms out of the big leagues >:[


What? that's just so stupid, why wouldn't you want new talents rising up.


The kespa model is probably better anyways, because it makes high school boys actually think and test themselves before they gamble with their education and future.
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adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
March 17 2012 20:49 GMT
#683
hate to be the pessimistic one in here but even if Kespa didn't have any barriers like progamer licenses against foreigners, its very likely foreigners are going to slowly dissapear from here on out. They are already struggling as it is.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
March 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#684
Man, I can't wait for this to happen just so that people stop fighting over speculation. I'm sick of the SC2-vs-BW fights that crop up in nearly every thread on TL.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 20:53:09
March 17 2012 20:52 GMT
#685
On March 18 2012 05:49 adeezy wrote:
hate to be the pessimistic one in here but even if Kespa didn't have any barriers like progamer licenses against foreigners, its very likely foreigners are going to slowly dissapear from here on out. They are already struggling as it is.

barrier? all BW progamers have to have a license, its not foreigners that are singled out. You either earn a license by winning courage (which is how most players get it) or you get one from a team (like idra did, who never won a courage). Foreigners weren't good enough compared to the koreans so they didn't make the cut. It wasn't BECAUSE they were foreigners.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
March 17 2012 20:53 GMT
#686
Oh man, all this Blizzard hate...
Only because Riot does everything public it doesnt mean that Blizzard is doing nothing...
Maybe they just dont talk in public about how they support eSports...
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
March 17 2012 20:53 GMT
#687
On March 18 2012 05:35 singul4rity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:21 gn0m wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:32 singul4rity wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:18 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:00 Taiki wrote:
On March 18 2012 03:00 Eiaco wrote:
Why are all of the BW people trying to sabotage this topic?

I think this is only good news as BW is clearly in decline (being overtaken by LoL) and SC2 is the new game. You should support this decision as a Starcraft fan. BW people may argue that SC2 is not as in depth as BW (which it probably isn't), but i'd take SC2 any day over watching a team of 5 idiots a-moving a single hero unit down 3 alleyways.


SC2 isn't "overtaking" anything in Korea. It looks more like a desperation from Blizzard side now with LoL growing in Korea and their premier eSports title not succeeding in the Mecca of eSports.

In any case, I won't support this at all if it means that ProLeage and BW will fade in Korea. I just got into PL last year and I've so far found it more interesting than any SC2 related league/event I've seen so far.



SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing.

LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2.

I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin

What makes you say former BW fans will watch SC2? Because so far, most of them have no interest in SC2 and just because KeSPA supports it does not mean it will get popular


Imagine Basketball 2 came out but none of the good NBA players switched. Not many NBA fans would switch. However, if the NBA switched to BBall 2 than a large portion of the fans would switch over.

There's a familiarity with the player base, and a level of competition problem that was huge if you watched early SC2. We have developed a familiarity with the player base and the level of play has come a long way, but for the broodwar fans in Korea those things were probably huge turn offs.

Anything that injects so much money, talent, and exposure into the SC2 scene is probably going to be a good thing. Remember that GOM has the exclusive contract for another year so they must be getting something out of this deal, why else would they agree to give up the exclusivity?

If that is the case, I assume that if all SC2 players switched to LoL, you would happily start to watch LoL instead of SC2? The inject of talent would be great for the LoL scene wouldn’t it? Also, are you aware of the fact that BW players are constantly replaced by new younger stars? BW is not dominated by Boxer, Nada and OOV anymore, but somehow people still find the game interesting. The reason for that might have something to do with the fact that people actually like the game. No player is bigger than the game itself.


Right... because SC2:LoL is the same as BW:SC2. The differences in SC2:BW are almost non-existent compared to a completely different game like LoL. To be honest, if SC2 died and everyone moved to another game I would probably end up checking out the other game. I mean, the rise of LoL in Korea shows that people are willing to embrace a new game that people on TL diss constantly as requiring no talent or skill.

I know that players rise and fall all the time. It's just like sports that way. There's a huge difference between all the current superstars switching and players past their prime switching (like BoxeR, July, and NaDa). I think that if the current superstars switched it would cause a huge boost in SC2 popularity... Sure, some people won't like it, but I really don't think that the mass audience in Korea is anything like the niche fanbase here on TL.

This isn’t about ”checking out the new game”. Do you honestly believe that BW fans (foreign and Korean) haven’t checked out SC2 already? If anything, BW fans were the most excited about the release of SC2 but many felt that it severely lacked the depth of the original game. The ones that did like SC2 started to watch it, I don’t see how forcing a switch on the ones that prefer BW could be seen as a good thing.
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Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
March 17 2012 20:54 GMT
#688
On March 17 2012 15:55 darkcloud8282 wrote:
I hope Blizzard is able to come to terms with Kespa before LoL dominates the e-sports scene in Korea..

Me too! T.T
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 17 2012 20:54 GMT
#689
On March 18 2012 05:48 nicotn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:03 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:20 corumjhaelen wrote:
Mike Morhaime, after not caring for 10 years, after suing MBC, after all those stupid disputes, finally decides to come to a bw game. It was obviously for its burial.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty mad about the move.
As for the sc2 PL, it was pretty obvious it was bound to happen soon. Terrible move.


This is basically what I am feeling right now.

I will NEVER EVER support a Blizzard game for what they did to BW and what they are doing today with SC2. D3 and Sc2 would have been the games I would have bought but you can say goodbye to my ass, blizzard.


Oh you mean what KESPA did to blizzard.


KeSPA/OGN/MBC/Korean pro scene is the reason SC has sold some 13 million copies instead of 5 million.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 17 2012 20:54 GMT
#690
On March 18 2012 05:50 Ribbon wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to happen just so that people stop fighting over speculation. I'm sick of the SC2-vs-BW fights that crop up in nearly every thread on TL.


Its bond to happen. When one entity is making an attempt to devour the other, expect people raising swords against another. Its pretty much a declaration of war.
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 20:55:56
March 17 2012 20:55 GMT
#691
On March 18 2012 04:34 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 04:32 singul4rity wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:18 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote:
On March 18 2012 04:00 Taiki wrote:
On March 18 2012 03:00 Eiaco wrote:
Why are all of the BW people trying to sabotage this topic?

I think this is only good news as BW is clearly in decline (being overtaken by LoL) and SC2 is the new game. You should support this decision as a Starcraft fan. BW people may argue that SC2 is not as in depth as BW (which it probably isn't), but i'd take SC2 any day over watching a team of 5 idiots a-moving a single hero unit down 3 alleyways.


SC2 isn't "overtaking" anything in Korea. It looks more like a desperation from Blizzard side now with LoL growing in Korea and their premier eSports title not succeeding in the Mecca of eSports.

In any case, I won't support this at all if it means that ProLeage and BW will fade in Korea. I just got into PL last year and I've so far found it more interesting than any SC2 related league/event I've seen so far.



SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing.

LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2.

I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin

What makes you say former BW fans will watch SC2? Because so far, most of them have no interest in SC2 and just because KeSPA supports it does not mean it will get popular


Imagine Basketball 2 came out but none of the good NBA players switched. Not many NBA fans would switch. However, if the NBA switched to BBall 2 than a large portion of the fans would switch over.

There's a familiarity with the player base, and a level of competition problem that was huge if you watched early SC2. We have developed a familiarity with the player base and the level of play has come a long way, but for the broodwar fans in Korea those things were probably huge turn offs.

Anything that injects so much money, talent, and exposure into the SC2 scene is probably going to be a good thing. Remember that GOM has the exclusive contract for another year so they must be getting something out of this deal, why else would they agree to give up the exclusivity?


I'm sorry, but you're assuming people value BBall and BBall 2 on the same level. A more accurate comparison would be if all of pro baseball players switched to softball; which well it might stimulate fandom for the sport, would have nowhere near the strength that basbeall had.


It's not like there is 100% no possibility that if the top BW pro's start playing SC2 it wont have any chance of attracting a huge audience.

It might fall flat on its face then SC will slowly die off in KR or it will succeed and SC will get some new life back in it. Either way the international scene will continue and same with GOM. But hopefully for the sake of SC staying alive in KR SC2 gets well received ( for the 2nd time round lol >.>).
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midftw
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada170 Posts
March 17 2012 20:56 GMT
#692

[/QUOTE]
If that is the case, I assume that if all SC2 players switched to LoL, you would happily start to watch LoL instead of SC2? The inject of talent would be great for the LoL scene wouldn’t it? Also, are you aware of the fact that BW players are constantly replaced by new younger stars? BW is not dominated by Boxer, Nada and OOV anymore, but somehow people still find the game interesting. The reason for that might have something to do with the fact that people actually like the game. No player is bigger than the game itself.
[/QUOTE]

flash is probably bigger than the game. but other than him no
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 17 2012 20:58 GMT
#693
so i guess mike went to Korea with his +3 BW slaying dagger

cant wait to see the BW legends switch completely
discomatt
Profile Joined March 2012
113 Posts
March 17 2012 20:58 GMT
#694
On March 18 2012 05:46 opisska wrote:
Ï think that with blizzard finally giving a shit about professional gaming (unlike BW) they will not let KeSPA do anything that would hurt western ESPORTS, such as making barriers (like progamer licences) against foreigners. In this case it is actually usefull that Blizzard cares about their money and enofrces their position (even though I find it absurd that they can do it).


It's their product. They keep it maintained. If it wasn't for them, how could organizations like KeSPA exist?
Is it really the unreasonable for them to ask for a share of the profits KeSPA makes because of this product?

Should the movie industry allow theatres to buy a consumer DVD, and charge viewers $5/ticket to see it?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#695
On March 18 2012 05:58 discomatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:46 opisska wrote:
Ï think that with blizzard finally giving a shit about professional gaming (unlike BW) they will not let KeSPA do anything that would hurt western ESPORTS, such as making barriers (like progamer licences) against foreigners. In this case it is actually usefull that Blizzard cares about their money and enofrces their position (even though I find it absurd that they can do it).


It's their product. They keep it maintained. If it wasn't for them, how could organizations like KeSPA exist?
Is it really the unreasonable for them to ask for a share of the profits KeSPA makes because of this product?

Should the movie industry allow theatres to buy a consumer DVD, and charge viewers $5/ticket to see it?


If it wasn't for Kespa, there wouldn't be progaming simple as that.
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r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
March 17 2012 21:03 GMT
#696
On March 18 2012 04:51 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 04:49 r3z3nd3 wrote:
What disgusting news. End BW to change it with a game that's worse and less popular than LoL? Way to go, Blizzard

Oh come on, you can dislike SC2 but worse then LoL?


I just said less popular

SC2 > LoL of course =P

And I like SC2, but IT'S PROLEAGUE. It's BW territory, why do they have to do this? Just beacause SC2 is getting no love from Korea?

That really makes me mad
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Anyx
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovakia36 Posts
March 17 2012 21:08 GMT
#697
History, part 1 : BW is mechnically and strategically deep game. But there is a offspring : Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is huge simplifield on every level and on every aspect of the game. BW is replaced by SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is good, we do not want it complicated !!!

History, part 2 : LoL is overtaking over SC2. LoL is huge simplifield on every level and aspect of the game, compared to SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is not good, because it is simple !!!

Both parts of the history are basically the same. I just do not get, why SC2 fans are mad only about the part 2... they should be mad at both parts.
nicotn
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
March 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#698
On March 17 2012 23:11 Azhrei16 wrote:
The only thing that scares me is Broodwar's sponsors will switch over to SC2 and there will be absolutely no way GomTV will be able to keep up in terms of money and it will eventually die. Then the current teams won't be able to pay their players and they will all switch to either foreign teams or the Broodwar/Sc2 teams. Having Gom and Kespa side by side would be an absolute miracle.


Because sponsors like Sony Ericsson is not a big sponser at all..
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#699
On March 18 2012 06:08 Anyx wrote:
History, part 1 : BW is mechnically and strategically deep game. But there is a offspring : Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is huge simplifield on every level and on every aspect of the game. BW is replaced by SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is good, we do not want it complicated !!!

History, part 2 : LoL is overtaking over SC2. LoL is huge simplifield on every level and aspect of the game, compared to SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is not good, because it is simple !!!

Both parts of the history are basically the same. I just do not get, why SC2 fans are mad only about the part 2... they should be mad at both parts.


"The Pot calling the Kettle black."?
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discomatt
Profile Joined March 2012
113 Posts
March 17 2012 21:11 GMT
#700
On March 18 2012 06:02 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:58 discomatt wrote:
On March 18 2012 05:46 opisska wrote:
Ï think that with blizzard finally giving a shit about professional gaming (unlike BW) they will not let KeSPA do anything that would hurt western ESPORTS, such as making barriers (like progamer licences) against foreigners. In this case it is actually usefull that Blizzard cares about their money and enofrces their position (even though I find it absurd that they can do it).


It's their product. They keep it maintained. If it wasn't for them, how could organizations like KeSPA exist?
Is it really the unreasonable for them to ask for a share of the profits KeSPA makes because of this product?

Should the movie industry allow theatres to buy a consumer DVD, and charge viewers $5/ticket to see it?


If it wasn't for Kespa, there wouldn't be progaming simple as that.


So Blizzard continues to make buttloads of money, and spends less money balancing a game to keep it competitive at insanely high levels of play.
KeSPA does exist, and they should understand that the owner of the IP of a product they'd like to profit through maintains control, and gets a cut. This is especially true if the IP owner continues to support the game, enhancing the very product KeSPA is trying to sell.
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