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Mike Morhaime "SC2 Proleague will open this year" - Page 33
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
I for one which that there was a community driver rts game like there is for web browsers and other applications (mozilla, linux and so forth) | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:37 fabiano wrote: Expected this fucking shit happen when we saw him there in the crowd.... Are they replacing BW with SC2 or will both run in parallel leagues? If they replace BW, what the hell are they thinking? Go run your own SC2 league... Can't SC2 live without leaving BW alone? Or is that SC2 is failing that they feel the need to convert the BW viewers into SC2 viewers? edit: removed unnecessary swearing You do realize that KeSPA are the people who want to do this, not Blizzard? Also, the idea that anyone can convert BW fans into SC2 just by removing BW is silly. If we remove SC2, will all SC2 watchers go watch BW? Doubtful. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
This is not ending BW. When Morhaime says OGN are going to start a SC2 league, how the kark does that mean they're going to change all their leagues into SC2 leagues? Did someone forget to give me my BW Fan Mind-Reading Machine? And just because you feel threatened, that's no reason to act like a jerk and start passive-aggresively attacking other people's games. Seriously. | ||
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
at the very least this would help OGN to increase their foreign viewership; even if OGN cast the games in korean at 360p, having S-class BW players in an SC2 league would get waaaaaaaaay more viewers than BW. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:00 Eiaco wrote: Why are all of the BW people trying to sabotage this topic? I think this is only good news as BW is clearly in decline (being overtaken by LoL) and SC2 is the new game. You should support this decision as a Starcraft fan. BW people may argue that SC2 is not as in depth as BW (which it probably isn't), but i'd take SC2 any day over watching a team of 5 idiots a-moving a single hero unit down 3 alleyways. Don't compare DotA and LoL plz. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
The point is, though, we really don't know much of anything about what shape this could take. It could turn out to be very much in BW's interests. | ||
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StarStruck
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discomatt
113 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:34 1Eris1 wrote: I'm sorry, but you're assuming people value BBall and BBall 2 on the same level. A more accurate comparison would be if all of pro baseball players switched to softball; which well it might stimulate fandom for the sport, would have nowhere near the strength that basbeall had. As opposed to the assumptions you're making? I'm sure purists would grab pitchforks and torches, but in the end you'd still be watching an ultra-competitive sport with familiar faces, in a similar genre. Those purists would either stop watching out of principle , or watch softball and make endless, one-sided comparisons about how the old game was so much better (more likely). Even with the complaints, they're still watching and supporting the sport. Who's to say softball can't be as competitive or entertaining as hardball? The fact is, all the 'better' players play hardball, which MAKES it the more entertaining game. SC2 has a lot of 'easier' mechanics. This means MORE APM can be directed to more accurate army control. If something complex in SC:BW can be done fairly trivially in SC2, attention can go elsewhere. You think top SC:BW players would lose APM in SC2 just because a few things are 'smarter' or done automatically? Skill cap doesn't really exist. The game will evolve. Sport leagues have existed for nearly a century, and the players/game are still getting more and more refined. When a game is in danger of getting stale, minor changes are made that discourage boring strategies. The community alone has that power through map development. | ||
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singul4rity
United States54 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:46 goding wrote: What if Bball2 was a boring piece of shit that would bored the hell out of you? Do you expect the fans to follow their player and watch the shitty game? Or just quit being a fan of the player and find another thing that would interest you? You tell me If you think SC2 is a shitty game then I can't help you. A lot of people disagree with your opinion though and I don't think the majority of Koreans will agree with you for the same reasons that a majority of Western fans disagree with you. Your assumption that all fans of BW in Korea are like you is completely wrong. I think BW and SC2 are much more similar than Basketball and Softball... I think a lot of people that liked BW will like SC2 once their favorite players switch and it's on TV in the way they are used to watching it. Yes, the game is different, but the level of play is getting higher and higher, especially in Korea. It was a brand new games, it takes a while for the game to get to a really high level. Compare the level BW was at when Boxer was dominating to the level BW is at now... I'm sorry that the game you love has to end someday. It's really too bad but it seems like something all eSports will go through just because of the nature of video games. | ||
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zomgE
498 Posts
anyway, good thing, finally. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:59 jtp118 wrote: something to keep in mind is that the complaining from BW fans in this thread really isn't representative of foreign audiences generally, who overwhelmingly prefer SC2 (though in Korea, obviously, this is a tougher question). at the very least this would help OGN to increase their foreign viewership; even if OGN cast the games in korean at 360p, having S-class BW players in an SC2 league would get waaaaaaaaay more viewers than BW. and a Korean TV Station should care why about foreigner audience? | ||
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singul4rity
United States54 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:48 1Eris1 wrote: Then why didn't it work with Boxer, Nada, July, etc? Because they were all past their prime and basically washed up? No offense intended to them as they are legends, but it's true. Don't you think Flash has more fans than any of them at this point in time? Same thing can be seen in sports. Old legends are respected, but the current stars are much more popular. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:05 rasers wrote: and a Korean TV Station should care why about foreigner audience? Because they can run a stream in HD, charge money, and make money. Just like GOM does. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:52 jtp118 wrote: to everyone saying this is a response to LoL's growing popularity ... ffs. we've known this was going to happen since autumn 2011, there have been numerous blog posts / tweets / etc on the topic by a number of industry/media figures. i would even go so far as to say that this isn't really news (though the specifics are definitely good to know). sadly i don't see BW surviving beyond maybe the end of 2013 ... i dunno, maybe its time is just past. IMHO, the scene needs to move on. If it gets stale with the same old game with old tech it will just fade to irrelevancy with a shrinking fan base year after year. I say this because ... just look at Counter-Strike. The #1 shooter of it's time, but faded off slowly as newer versions failed to bring over the established fanbase. Whether that's because Valve failed to deliver or that the fandom were being a bunch of, borrowing a term from Destiny, "nostalgia fags" unable to embrace the new; and trust me, I've read it all, the reasons why fans won't take any new version of CS vary WILDLY. I'd rather have RTS defined as SC type games than as a bunch of free to play MOBA games. As an aside, stop calling your MOBA games RTS! There's no strategy here! It's a gloried top-down RPG-lite arena! Anyway, it is possible to love and respect the old while accepting the new, flaws included. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:07 Dodgin wrote: Because they can run a stream in HD, charge money, and make money. Just like GOM does. GOM does it cause they dont have the korean audience :D they need foreigner 2 pay them. | ||
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clik
United States319 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:09 rasers wrote: GOM does it cause they dont have the korean audience :D they need foreigner 2 pay them. Imagine if they did have the korean audience. They would all of the sudden make double the amount of money! It's not a hard thing to grasp. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:02 discomatt wrote: As opposed to the assumptions you're making? I'm sure purists would grab pitchforks and torches, but in the end you'd still be watching an ultra-competitive sport with familiar faces, in a similar genre. Those purists would either stop watching out of principle , or watch softball and make endless, one-sided comparisons about how the old game was so much better (more likely). Even with the complaints, they're still watching and supporting the sport. Who's to say softball can't be as competitive as softball? SC2 has a lot of 'easier' mechanics. This means MORE APM can be directed to more accurate army control. If something complex in SC:BW can be done fairly trivially in SC2, attention can go elsewhere. You think players top SC:BW players would lose APM in SC2 just because a few things are 'smarter' or done automatically? Skill cap doesn't really exist. The game will evolve. Sport leagues have existed for nearly a century, and the players/game are still getting more and more refined. When a game is in danger of getting stale, minor changes are made that discourage boring strategies. The community alone has that power through map development. I'm not making assumptions. Anyone that liked BW has more or less tried SC2 by this point. Some have decided that they like it, most haven't. I said before that making everybody from BW switch to SC2 would probably bring some fans over, but acting like it would bring a vast majority is silly, given the evidence we have already seen. Your making far more of an assumption when you say only the "purists" would stay away...unless by purists you mean a significant, if not a majority percentage. And I'm not going to get into arguing of whether or not SC2 is a good game/can be a good game. I've watched easily 100s of hours of it now, and I haven't seen any of the stuff you're talking about. Maybe if Flash switches he can up the level of play a bit, but I'm telling you right now, it would have to be a HUGE increase for me to value it on the same level of BW. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that feeling. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On March 17 2012 23:56 Zealot Orgy wrote: Pitchfork, most likely. People are just delusional if they're actually convinced that a "KeSPA SC2 Pro League" will result in deluxe codeS++ level of play AND production. KeSPA is not new to being extremely conservative towards their players, they consider themselves the SUPERIOR BW MASTER RACE and everyone else as inferior, and that'll be the exact same view if they switch to SC2. They won't let players in their SC2 PL to join any other tournaments and they won't let notable SC2 pros join their PL unless they have a pro license AND they're into one of the PL teams. This will mean a complete and total crack between the GSL and the KeSPA PL, players from the 2 "factions" won't be able to play each other, fanboys will create an even more annoying rivalry between who's got the best lineup (since they cant' face each other, all you can do is speculate). In the end I think GOM will still have the advantage. They are already very popular, their production is excellent and they are extremely open towards the Foreign scene, for both sponsor partnerships and, more importantly players partnerships. Im going to quote this even if its 10 pages below, you as an international viewer has no right to grab any pitchfork, Kespa represents Korea and their interest primarily(like the fucking name suggests), not YOURS. Also i let the Nazi reference slide. Incredibly stupid post. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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discomatt
113 Posts
On March 18 2012 05:09 rasers wrote: GOM does it cause they dont have the korean audience :D they need foreigner 2 pay them. Foreigner audience is way bigger for SC2 than it's ever been for SC:BW. It's WAY to big of a market to ignore. With foreign viewers comes foreign sponsors. If you can increase viewership at very little cost, why wouldn't you? Do you have any numbers to support your claims? A quick google found that 50+ million foreigners watch GOMTV, but I can't find Korean numbers. Regardless, as a media company, are you really going to ignore 50+ million potential viewers? | ||
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