EPTI'm going to guess that this will be a cooperation between OGN and GOM to somehow combine the GSTL with the Proleague.
Mike Morhaime "SC2 Proleague will open this year" - Page 31
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singul4rity
United States54 Posts
I'm going to guess that this will be a cooperation between OGN and GOM to somehow combine the GSTL with the Proleague. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:54 Obelisco wrote: As much as I like this news, I dislike it cause BW Proleague may close. If both continue, this would be more than great news to me. Please... also BW Proleague I am hoping for a SlayerS - SKT partnership where SKT absorbs SlayerS and so will the other regular PL companies merges with their SC2 counterparts. Then the two scene can definitely co-exists. Who knows, maybe we'll even have SC2 pros playing Brood War for us. | ||
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:00 Eiaco wrote: Why are all of the BW people trying to sabotage this topic? I think this is only good news as BW is clearly in decline (being overtaken by LoL) and SC2 is the new game. You should support this decision as a Starcraft fan. BW people may argue that SC2 is not as in depth as BW (which it probably isn't), but i'd take SC2 any day over watching a team of 5 idiots a-moving a single hero unit down 3 alleyways. SC2 isn't "overtaking" anything in Korea. It looks more like a desperation from Blizzard side now with LoL growing in Korea and their premier eSports title not succeeding in the Mecca of eSports. In any case, I won't support this at all if it means that ProLeage and BW will fade in Korea. I just got into PL last year and I've so far found it more interesting than any SC2 related league/event I've seen so far. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:57 Xiphos wrote: I am hoping for a SlayerS - SKT partnership where SKT absorbs SlayerS and so will the other regular PL companies merges with their SC2 counterparts. Then the two scene can definitely co-exists. Who knows, maybe we'll even have SC2 pros playing Brood War for us. Yeah. People are being so negative about the whole thing. This just means more televised sc2, which is awesome. | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:26 DDie wrote: He's talking about the pro scene, WoW is quickly losing ground and LoL is on the rise, not to mention that a lot of WoW pros already switched to LoL. WoW pro scene, nice joke. WoW as an Esport died years ago when MLG dropped it, the subscriber decline started in Cataclysm. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:01 See.Blue wrote: Yeah. People are being so negative about the whole thing. This just means more televised sc2, which is awesome. lol oh you, that is definitely something subjective. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:49 darkscream wrote: This is untrue. WoW's biggest decline in population happened the day after they announced the followup expansion to Cataclysm. The one that has nothing to do with warcraft and occurs in pseudo asia on the back of a giant turtle populated with panda people. Wut? WoW's decline has nothing to do with MoP announcement at all. It's just that WoW is old, offer nothing new and there are many competition out there in MMORPG market. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:00 Taiki wrote: SC2 isn't "overtaking" anything in Korea. It looks more like a desperation from Blizzard side now with LoL growing in Korea and their premier eSports title not succeeding in the Mecca of eSports. In any case, I won't support this at all if it means that ProLeage and BW will fade in Korea. I just got into PL last year and I've so far found it more interesting than any SC2 related league/event I've seen so far. SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing. LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2. I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote: SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing. LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2. I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin what do you think Kespa is? people in Korea play LoL right now and they watch it. why would that change just because Kespa comes in? | ||
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goding
22 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote: SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing. LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2. I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin What makes you say former BW fans will watch SC2? Because so far, most of them have no interest in SC2 and just because KeSPA supports it does not mean it will get popular | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:46 1Eris1 wrote: The point is, if you were Pro Esports you wouldn't be so anti-LoL. I disagree. I'm pro esports, but I hate LoL. I think it's boring to play and boring to watch. I do not wish to support things I don't like. If esports = LoL, then I'm out. Just like I'm pro sports, but I hate baseball. I would never get behind baseball for anything. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:46 1Eris1 wrote: The point is, if you were Pro Esports you wouldn't be so anti-LoL. Can say the same about BW fans who hate SC2 even being mentioned. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote: SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing. LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2. I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin Don't write "bw/sc2" like they're interchangeable or even close to the same level, or that it's a given that previous BW fans will happily climb on board the SC2 express. You do know that all BW fans (Korean and foreigner) are aware that SC2 exists right now, yes? It's not like SC2 proleague is going to start and suddenly Korean BW fans are gonna be all "Oh SHIT, there was a SEQUEL to Brood War? I had no idea! I guess it's time to start being a SC2 fan, out with the old and in with the new!" MBCGame dying didn't help SC2, the money there got absorbed by K-Pop. K FUCKING POP. Not SC2. On March 18 2012 04:23 Assirra wrote: Can say the same about BW fans who hate SC2 even being mentioned. Do most BW fans even claim to care about esports? I sure don't. I think most of us care about Brood War, not about 'esports'. | ||
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clik
United States319 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:22 TheBanana wrote: I disagree. I'm pro esports, but I hate LoL. I think it's boring to play and boring to watch. I do not wish to support things I don't like. If esports = LoL, then I'm out. Just like I'm pro sports, but I hate baseball. I would never get behind baseball for anything. Thank you! There are games I support such as BW, SC2, DOTA 2, BLC, fighting games, Quake, Counterstrike. I can get behind these games as an esport any day of the week. Games like Guitar Hero, LoL, WoW, cell phone games, I will not watch them and I will not get behind them. If they are what esports is then I'm not an esports fan. | ||
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:16 jj33 wrote: SC2 will take over Korea, with Kespa's backing. LOL isn't going anywhere in the long run, it's boring as hell to watch and Koreans have been watching bw for 10+ years, LOL doesn't have the same intelligent gameplay as bw/sc2. I can't wait for this, the true beginning of the sc2 era will begin I was interested in SC2 too, but in I've seen far more BW games in the two last months than I've seen SC2 games. I've literally no interest in SC2 anymore beyond who wins which turnaments against who. So why exactly do you think SC2 will succeed even if it has KeSPA's backing? Are you just assuming that every BW fan in Korea will switch to watch SC2 just because their favorite players switched? | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:18 Lordanubis wrote: Not so sure about this, it could go either way. More competitions and high level players in Korea is good in principle, but could very easily upset the balance of how SC2 is as an eSport now. I don't, and never have followed SC1, so I don't know what ProLeague is like. But as I see it, GOM have done a pretty great job of catering to the foreigner community thus far - something that you can't really expect every organisation to do - since their ratings are realistically generated locally, and their sponsors will mainly be Korean too I would guess. Providing stuff like an English broadcast team is expenditure that isn't really necessary to keep ratings high or Korean sponsors happy. If the introduction of the ProLeague shifted the balance of power away from GOM, and the ProLeague didn't cater to foreign viewers to the same degree that GOM does, it could be pretty damaging for the community. Similarly, it could alter the dynamics of the way the Korean scene operates. We're very fortunate at present that players like MC, MMA, DRG, etc all get out and about relatively regularly to foreigner tournaments. It would be a very bad thing for the foreign eSports community if that changed due to the introduction of more high profile leagues in Korea. On the other hand it could turn out to be awesome and the dawn of a golden era for SC2 as an eSport, but I would say that's far from a guarantee at this point. I hope that if this comes to pass it doesn't change things too much - as I'd honestly rather just retain the status quo than have both the foreigner scene and community getting shunned compared to how we are treated now. The scary part will be when BW pro players switch over and flat out dominate. Then it'll only show how big of a farce the competition in SC2 is. | ||
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
Similarly though, comments like "if esports = LoL, then I'm out" ARE anti-Esports. Not liking a sub-category of the Esports whole is one thing, but making statements like that are negative towards the whole rather than just the sub-category. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:22 TheBanana wrote: I disagree. I'm pro esports, but I hate LoL. I think it's boring to play and boring to watch. I do not wish to support things I don't like. If esports = LoL, then I'm out. Just like I'm pro sports, but I hate baseball. I would never get behind baseball for anything. Could make the same claim about any game, including SC2, BW, CS, etc. Fact is, a lot of people like LoL, so it's obviously relevant and if people are going to shit on it, then they need to stop this "YAY ESPORTS" bullshit, because frankly this community on TL does not decide what an "esport" is. edit: or any other community. It's a set term for a sport that involves a console or a computer, plain and simple. What's a "sport" is determined by the amount of support something has. On March 18 2012 04:23 Assirra wrote: Can say the same about BW fans who hate SC2 even being mentioned. I agree. Personally I do not consider myself a "support/go/etc esports" guy. I think it's a generic term that certain communities have changed the definition of so that they can feel superior/more important or so that they can justify their ideas/beliefs and the like more. I cannot speak to all of the BW fanbase though. | ||
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singul4rity
United States54 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:18 goding wrote: What makes you say former BW fans will watch SC2? Because so far, most of them have no interest in SC2 and just because KeSPA supports it does not mean it will get popular Imagine Basketball 2 came out but none of the good NBA players switched. Not many NBA fans would switch. However, if the NBA switched to BBall 2 than a large portion of the fans would switch over. There's a familiarity with the player base, and a level of competition problem that was huge if you watched early SC2. We have developed a familiarity with the player base and the level of play has come a long way, but for the broodwar fans in Korea those things were probably huge turn offs. Anything that injects so much money, talent, and exposure into the SC2 scene is probably going to be a good thing. Remember that GOM has the exclusive contract for another year so they must be getting something out of this deal, why else would they agree to give up the exclusivity? | ||
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