EPTIf they made it 1-2 euro PPV best of 13 final then 10k+ people would watch i think.
i know i would
Stephano vs Naniwa 10k match brewing on twitter - Page 25
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
If they made it 1-2 euro PPV best of 13 final then 10k+ people would watch i think. i know i would | ||
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Laplaces_imp
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:12 lrofd wrote: did you see the blizzard cup? no other foreigners simply walked in and went toe-to-toe with top class like koreans like stephano did. wait no no....naniwa did play in the code.....nm.. look at naniwa's results in the low brackets of GSL In each of the 3 games he played seriously at Blizzard cup he had 0,001 till he won those games. A loss makes you a loser but if you also watched the games you know how close they were. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
It's the same type of thing as his zvt going fast 2x upgrades and infestors.. For a while even the koreans didn't really know 100% how to deal with this fast 2x upgrade mass ling into infestors and fast ultras. But now they do(look at polt vs stephano). I think he just has a really solid grasp of the 3 base opening into roach/ling pressure that makes it really hard for normal toss players to beat him. Now all that being said, I don't think naniwa is the same type of protoss that he beats on a regular basis. Naniwa has proven himself against the top tier zergs in korea.. Maybe not as pretty of a win rate, but regardless if you are able to beat nestea consistantly, have beaten leenock among other zergs, there is something to be said there. Now who knows if we'd see a meta series with both players trying to counter the others playstyle, we can't really know that. But in a straight up game, both playing there usually styles, it's really hard to tell who would win. Naniwa has incredible battle micro and is near the best timing attacker in the world imo. So it's really hard to judge weather or not stephano could just play his usual style to the same effect he does against anyone else. IMO this would be a gem of a pvz series. Something like a competitive Bo9 would be amazing. And I would study the crap out of every single game. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:34 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote: I think stephano has really solid zvp. I agree he hasn't proven himself completely against top koreans, but every time he has played koreans he has either won, or put up one hell of a fight. Its really hard to judge because imo this is both there best match ups. Nani's pvz is incredible in a straight up game. The main reason stephano's zvp is so good against everyone on ladder and your average EU toss player is that his opening counters forge FE really well. He knows the timings. Now ofc most zerg nowadays open 3 base against forge FE, but if you execute the same opening he does crisply and start pumping roach/ling at the right time, it's reallllllllly hard for any average toss who went forge FE into some timing to deal with. Because there so ingrained into their builds and timings after forge FE and this opening just craps all over a number of them. But the difference is I don't think naniwa will just not adapt to this, the same as if he were playing MC or high level toss player. It's the same type of thing as his zvt going fast 2x upgrades and infestors.. For a while even the koreans didn't really know 100% how to deal with this fast 2x upgrade mass ling into infestors and fast ultras. But now they do(look at polt vs stephano). I think he just has a really solid grasp of the 3 base opening into roach/ling pressure that makes it really hard for normal toss players to beat him. Now all that being said, I don't think naniwa is the same type of protoss that he beats on a regular basis. Naniwa has proven himself against the top tier zergs in korea.. Maybe not as pretty of a win rate, but regardless if you are able to beat nestea consistantly, have beaten leenock among other zergs, there is something to be said there. Now who knows if we'd see a meta series with both players trying to counter the others playstyle, we can't really know that. But in a straight up game, both playing there usually styles, it's really hard to tell who would win. Naniwa has incredible battle micro and is near the best timing attacker in the world imo. So it's really hard to judge weather or not stephano could just play his usual style to the same effect he does against anyone else. IMO this would be a gem of a pvz series. Something like a competitive Bo9 would be amazing. And I would study the crap out of every single game. Remember that he did beat DRG also at Providence. He just couldn't beat him in the same day he beat Sheth, Leenock and Nestea. I think he is one hell of a protoss. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:36 ceaRshaf wrote: Remember that he did beat DRG also at Providence. He just couldn't beat him in the same day he beat Sheth, Leenock and Nestea. I think he is one hell of a protoss. I agree 100% Against nearly any other foreign P short of maybe HuK, i'd call it for stephano in a heart beat. But Naniwa has proven himself to have near perfect timing attacks and battle micro. And proven himself like you said against DRG and other top korean zergs. It's really hard to tell though overall imo. But if stephano plays his usual style, I think naniwa could win a lot easier with his style then if they both try and meta each other,, which would turn out to be really interesting and very hard to predict. | ||
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
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Penke
Sweden346 Posts
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
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chlindell
Sweden68 Posts
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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johnny123
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and my logic is simple. -Leenock vs protoss in the gsl is below 50% winrate= leenock in gsl off the record said its his worst matchup. -Nestea vs protoss goes 2 ways, either he really rapes hard, or looks like a damn fool (melt downs) , for instance i will reference his lost against huk in the gsl. I do not believe nestea has ever really been good against protoss in general, hence all his complaints about protoss op. Nestea shined alot more in the gsl when there were more terrans. now lets talk about naniwa run at mlg providence, I already explained nestea situation , hes either really on or really off. And about DRG, i dunno about you guys, but the DRG playing against protoss in those days is not the same DRG playing today, He has worked on his vs P ALOT. Both wins at mlg for naniwa while may seem impressive,is not indicative for the current shape of the players today. If you look at gsl, naniwa has been knocked out of the tournament 2 times by FXO lucky. This is a guy stephano already raped really badly at IPL 3 finals. My conclusion, in a best of 3, naniwa might stand a chance of beating stephano by catching him offguard a few times, but there is no way in hell naniwa could beat stephano with a BO9 or BO7 and im a big naniwa fan | ||
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Tailss
Sweden233 Posts
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CerpinTaxt
United States208 Posts
Now I think honestly, this could go either way, based on server played on, time, and location. However, I believe It's only fair and logical to belive Nani would take it atm. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On March 11 2012 13:38 Toez wrote: Leenock's ZvP is the worst in the world mate ... Nestea's weakest matchup too Nestea's weakest is Terran by FAR. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:51 johnny123 wrote: stephano will still rape naniwa despite naniwa having some recent zerg victories. and my logic is simple. -Leenock vs protoss in the gsl is below 50% winrate= leenock in gsl off the record said its his worst matchup. -Nestea vs protoss goes 2 ways, either he really rapes hard, or looks like a damn fool (melt downs) , for instance i will reference his lost against huk in the gsl. I do not believe nestea has ever really been good against protoss in general, hence all his complaints now lets talk about naniwa run at mlg providence, I already explained nestea situation , hes either really on or really off. And about DRG, i dunno about you guys, but the DRG playing against protoss in those days is not the same DRG playing today, He has worked on his vs P ALOT. Both wins at mlg for naniwa will may seem impressive , where not that impressive for me when i factor in the state they were at. If you look at gsl, naniwa has been knocked out of the tournament 2 times by FXO lucky. This is a guy stephano already raped really badly at IPL 3 finals. My conclusion, in a best of 3, naniwa might stand a chance of beating stephano by catching him offguard a few times, but there is no way in hell naniwa could beat stephano with a BO9 or BO7 I see your point. But beating any top korean zerg, even in there weakest matchup is a impressive regardless. Sure maybe drg's zvp is not as good as it is now, but do you think naniwas pvz is still the same as it was? Maybe, maybe not. Lucky beating naniwa and stephano crushing him in zvz is not comparable. The fact is stephano has not yet proved himself against really strong korean protoss players. So it's hard to say where his zvp actually lies, regardless of naniwa playing zergs and winning in their weak MUs,, does not take away from the fact that he beat those players in convincing fashion for the most part. Regardless of them being in there weakest matchup it's impressive if you watch his play. People spend to much time looking at who a player beat and when and try and compare that to another player. that is really dumb imo. You have to look only at the play in the games. Sure against nestea at Prov. Nestea didn't really play that well imho, but even so you could see the ridiculousness in naniwa's play that made it impressive.. So im done now. Really all this comes down to is none of us knowing how this will turn out exactly. It's really hard to predict a showmatch between two players of this caliber when they would have time to prep for each other.. We could see play out of them that none of us have seen before just to beat the other. It's just really hard to judge a 1v1 like this,, players beating other players so that means because x player beat y player and y player has beaten z player x player is better than z player. It doesn't work like that. This game is unpredictable and we don't have constant up to date information on the improvements either of these players are making. Or what they will do to prepare for each other. We can only judge 1 players usual style against the other players usual style. And in that regard i'd say it's quite even. But that's my opinion of their styles. | ||
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johnny123
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