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On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap?
How do people keep thinking it is ok to make one slur stronger than another. This is the problem. If you really think we need to rank slurs based on their power before we determine which is worse and dole out fair punishment you need to go elsewhere. By saying the n word means more you're saying we shouldn't care if someone says faggot.
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Forgiven! I mean I don't approve of your conduct by any means, but you did apologize and you had a good explaination.
On March 09 2012 18:40 Strivers wrote:
lol orb
dont show up in live events anymore
Surely you're joking? This isn't the FGC; We're pretty much the most professional acting of the eSports communities, he should be more than fine at live events.
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On March 09 2012 18:58 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap? And many people have been beaten up and killed for being gay in the US and many other countries. Gays were rounded up and gassed the same way Jews were by the Nazis- where do you think the pink triangle first came from? You need to learn some history yourself. I'm not disputing that nigger is an offensive word but don't try and tell me that faggot isn't just as bad.
IMO its not. Just agree to dissagree?
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On March 09 2012 18:56 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:54 SovSov wrote:On March 09 2012 18:45 Lysanias wrote:On March 09 2012 18:25 SovSov wrote:On March 09 2012 17:46 NoctemSC wrote:On March 09 2012 17:44 jtp118 wrote:
are you sorry that it happened, or sorry you got caught? ... yeah.
there are a thousand other casters who can do a better job than you; hopefully a more deserving person will fill your slot People who rub salt into a wound after someone publicly apologizes are the worst kind of people. Do you have any Idea how hard it is to make a public apology to thousands? Back to the dungeons with you. You don't have to agree with what he said but Jesus man, you need to talk down to him even after he apologizes? His apology is still dodgy, he deserves it. The way he apologized is basically the closest thing to an apology without having to bring down one's own ego you can get. It is a cop-out apology. He still denies the thing he lied about. He is still making excuses. He is still blaming things other than himself. An apology is suppose to be a self-blow to one's ego. That's why apologies are important in the world and that's why people take apologies seriously. Orb did not drop his ego for this apology, and if he did, it's a pathetic amount. But is Reddit right on being judge/jury/executioner, do we realise we possibly destroyed this man's carreer ? We have to see this in the big picture aswell, as a community we can suport but also destroy in a blink of an eye. I think it was good in this circumstance for a number of reasons. It is a lot of lessons learned. It teaches the community that they need to think things through more when something bad happens. It also teaches teams and people of higher positions that the community has the power to bend them if they don't hear our calls. Both sides learned lessons. And yes, it was worth getting a young man fired. He was too immature to handle such a powerful situation, that is his fault, not ours. What did Orb do that made him to immature to hold the position? He made comments a year before his job? Come on be real...
Again, assuming he isn't lying. There is more evidence that those recent comments were his than against. The only thing going against all the stacking up evidence is Orb's word. Because that's trustworthy, right. He was immature he lied, made excuses, and attacked the community when up against the wall instead of apologizing. That is the way an 8 year old kid handles a situation when accused of something, not a 23 year old man in a professional position.
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poor guy. gotta admit though im not a fan of his casting or of him as a player or just him in general but being fired for what was said a long time ago before being an EG, that sucks. IF he is telling the truth about the first SS, then even worse
But then again, EG is huge and from a business perspective, the right move to make.
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On March 09 2012 19:00 Dave-o wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:58 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap? And many people have been beaten up and killed for being gay in the US and many other countries. Gays were rounded up and gassed the same way Jews were by the Nazis- where do you think the pink triangle first came from? You need to learn some history yourself. I'm not disputing that nigger is an offensive word but don't try and tell me that faggot isn't just as bad. IMO its not. Just agree to dissagree?
Sure we can disagree, but you should at least acknowledge that other people can be equally offended by Idra's words as by Orb's even if you personally don't think so and that some of us find EG's position hypocritical as a result.
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On March 09 2012 19:00 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap? How do people keep thinking it is ok to make one slur stronger than another. This is the problem. If you really think we need to rank slurs based on their power before we determine which is worse and dole out fair punishment you need to go elsewhere. By saying the n word means more you're saying we shouldn't care if someone says faggot.
I have no opinion about the punishment. Lets say we took a group of 100 African people from the homosexual community. What word do u think they would find more offencive?
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I dont think anyone hates you, or thinks your a racist. But i still dont think you deserv to be a caster for evil geniuses until you show yourself to be mature enough for it.
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On March 09 2012 19:03 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 19:00 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:58 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap? And many people have been beaten up and killed for being gay in the US and many other countries. Gays were rounded up and gassed the same way Jews were by the Nazis- where do you think the pink triangle first came from? You need to learn some history yourself. I'm not disputing that nigger is an offensive word but don't try and tell me that faggot isn't just as bad. IMO its not. Just agree to dissagree? Sure we can disagree, but you should at least acknowledge that other people can be equally offended by Idra's words as by Orb's even if you personally don't think so and that some of us find EG's position hypocritical as a result.
\agree I guess in my upbringing I learned that nigger is worse than faggot. I am not sure why. More than likely because my grand paraents were extreme bigots and my parents made sure i knew that their stance on the subject of race was the wrong one.
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Why he still denies the fact that he is the one in the first picture is beyond me.
He lied about it because he was afraid, which is understandable but already bad judgement, but then lying about it being not a lie is quickly starting to portray him as a liar.
At this point he is quickly approaching the point of no return, which is kinda sad.
He should have just admitted that he tried to lie his way out because he was afraid of the repercussions and face the consequences. Trying to keep the lie up isnt worth it imo.
His excuse isnt even sound, who shares an account with 3-4 people? Cmon.
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A couple of day ago OP was aggressive with his comments and now he is all smiles and kindness... ah, the wonders of damage control.
The only thing that I hate more than this ridiculous farce is the comments I read right after: I can still understand public relationship, but hearing people who still come to insult him because losing his job wasn't enough or condescending idiots who are willing to 'forgive' a guy they don't even know only because he wrote a couple of sentences is frankly disgusting.
Like you all did never rage or insult, or you never wrote "faggot" or "nigger" on the internet, sure.
+ Show Spoiler +"but oh, no, it's different because he did it publicly while I can wrote whatever I like since I'm not a public figure so I get a free pass whenever I do shit, I'm a special flower!"
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I think this has been blown out WAY out of proportion.... This was clearly a witchhunt with pitchforks, no, rather automatic rifles to one guy who did stuff over a year ago.
There is no way to excuse this behaviour whenever it happens, but then again, I think 99% of the players here have at least ONE replay where they have verbally abused another player (in any way)
I hate the fact everyone thinks he's a fcking saint during these hunts. And the whole 'but he represents the community' is flawed reasoning in many, many ways. Ill explain 2 here:
1. The community is also YOU, that means you also represent the community so everytime you abuse someone, should you be pitchforked?
2. This happend long before he even KNEW he was going to be in the spotlights. Again, no excuse, but if this hasnt happend since, I see NO reason to nail him with a flurry of bullets.
Overall this kind of stuff actually HURTS the community. Instead of showing some kind of civilized response, we all grab our guns and shoot without thought. You know what a society like that would be named? orderless, uncivilized and stupid.
Do we want our community to be viewed upon like that?
Stop these witchhunts in the future, talk it out. Dont ruin someone's career just because of your misplaced sense of rightiousness.
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really whomps bro, but takes a man to admit his mistakes and apologize
wish you the luck in the future!
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Hope people that did everything to destroy orb are proud of it, you just made another unemployed.
I feel sad for the guy that there are people like you, the negative minority that only like to see drama and try and force your views on others.
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So people are actually buying that it was not him in the first screen shot? Come on. Use common sence.
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On March 09 2012 19:12 shell wrote:
Hope people that did everything to destroy orb are proud of it, you just made another unemployed.
I feel sad for the guy that there are people like you, the negative minority that only like to see drama and try and force your views on others.
Yeah thats something i dont understand either.
I would understand it if the guy who posted that picture on reddit was ACTUALLY OFFENDED by the language used in that picture.
I am quite sure though that he wasnt offended at all, but posted it anyways, starting a witchhunt.
People quickly assumed the positions of the hunters and started the hunt, and im quite sure that those people arent really offended either, they just did it for the sake of hunting someone down.
Congratulations, you destroyed another persons life, hope it was worth the short giggle you had in your basement.
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On March 09 2012 19:00 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 18:54 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:47 Vorenius wrote:On March 09 2012 18:37 Dave-o wrote:On March 09 2012 18:20 Vorenius wrote:
Based on personal experience it seems 50% of people start yelling about faggots when they lose a ladder game. Though doing something wrong because others do isn't a justification, there are many many MANY more people who needs to be fired if you were over this.
Idra has acted just as bad while he was officially representing EG. Firing you for something you did over a year ago, while letting Idra off with an internal scolding for a far worse offence, is incredibly hypocritical.
Just remember that next time. You need to bring in more revenue before you can start acting how you want on EG... If your going to say Idra is "far worse" bring some evidance. I have never seen Idra say "nigger". "faggot" sure. How is faggot any different from saying nigger? :s Idra has made hateful comments while officially representing EG. Orb has made hateful comments a year before he worked with EG. If they fire Orb, they should sue Idra into the ground, sue all his relative, haunt him untill the day he dies, and then piss on his grave. (Hint: I don't think they should do either, but if people want to praise them for being consistent, they should be consistent) How is faggot different from nigger? Ware do i start? The 100's of years of slavery? The civil war? MLK? Yes these are both words that are ment to hurt. But one word brings up a sad time in American history when one group of people OWNED another. Did people own gays? No. Also Do u actually think that first screen shot was his "friend"? U actually buy that crap? How do people keep thinking it is ok to make one slur stronger than another. This is the problem. If you really think we need to rank slurs based on their power before we determine which is worse and dole out fair punishment you need to go elsewhere. By saying the n word means more you're saying we shouldn't care if someone says faggot.
Hm, Liquid'Ret repeatedly called people 'faggot' and 'fag' on his stream, I don't see anyone making threads about that.
Just sayin'.
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You are forgiven, son. Everyone did it at least once.
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I hate double standard's and you fell victim to that because of people who dislike you and not because of people who dislike the implied racial hate of some word. That's disgusting and I am sorry that it happened to you. This wasn't about "social justice" or a disgusting slur it was more to do about folks wanting you gone because they hate you. Don't let that get you down, the bigger you become the more people will try to claw you down.
Having said that, you need to work on the being well mannered I don't know how but I am sure you can do it because you have the ability to do really well in whatever you set yourself to do and take what time you need and I hope someone even better picks you up because quite frankly you are too good of a caster to not have about.
Not changing my signature.
-Still an orb fan
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Your a good caster, good luck in the future.
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