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ShakaZu.Sc2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States131 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#401
Dude you were bming, it happens to the best of us! You'll be back i'm sure <3
Check out my stream at http://www.twitch.tv/shakazu and follow me on twitter https://twitter.com/ShakaZuSC2
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#402
On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,

Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.

Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words.

IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it


I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way.

Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce.

he already addressed idra. go read the other thread.


A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing.

captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same.
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#403
Dam, dude don't even apologize for his lies. The only reason this situation got so out of hand was because he lie to cover himself up. I don't think Orb knows what he really did wrong.
zakutu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States4 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#404
its a shame that team EG had to let an amazing caster go, all because of things done in the past. I'm willing to bet 80% of the people in this forum have at one point or another said mean, hurtful things after losing to some dumb cheese or all in, and it had no consequences. Yet, people saw a chance to go on a witch hunt and jumped on it before the facts had a chance to get out. I do not condone the use of the N word in any fashion personally, but as orb said in the OP, the N word in this situation could have been replaced by any other curse word, and to me, I don't understand why people are so outraged over it, but are fine when he says things like player x is a waste of the human resource and I would be much happier if he just died.

While I'm sure plenty of people disagree, I believe that the N word in this day and age has a split meaning. On one hand it can be used as a racial slur, but it can also be used as a curse word, having nothing to do with race, in which case I feel it should be treated no differently as someone throwing out the f word every 5 words.

In many ways, this whole event disheartened me, as do so many of the drama related events in the SC2 community. People are quick to jump to conclusions without waiting for all of the facts, or even really putting thought into it and in this case it may have ruined a young man's career.
‎"Rock is imba. Paper is fine." - Scissors
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#405
I liked your casting, good luck with future gigs!
Random
mlspmatt
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada404 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#406
Everyone makes mistakes. I think this thing was blown out of proportion. If everyone was held to their behavour in their worst moments we'd all look really bad. I think a public, on air, apology from Orb during the next EG cast with Orb would have been enough.

Of course his remarks crossed the line but to my knowledge this is the first time Orb's been in hot water. His name is tarnished, I can only imagine how he feels right now. And compared to what usually passes for ladder behavour the punishment seems very severe.

I feel for you Orb and hope you get back on your feet soon.
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#407
Good post bro, forget the haters. I use to hate you, but I have a new found respect for you.
Cheering for: STParting, EGHuK, LiquidTaeja, LiquidHerO, LiquidSheth, LiquidTLO, Violet, MvPDongRaeGu, SlayerSMMA, SlayerSCrank, SlayerSCoca, LG-IM Seed
supsun
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:13:30
March 09 2012 06:12 GMT
#408
This orb kid is worse than IdrA.
Juggernaut477
Profile Joined May 2011
United States379 Posts
March 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#409
I think it's stupid that this is such a huge deal.It did not happen while he was on EG,and no one ever gets thousands of threads and comments on Tl/reddit when they say "I raped him that last game".No one thinks maybe someone has been raped or knows someone that has and may be offended.Or when people say "Bitch" or "Fag".We need to make it unacceptable for ANY of those words to be used,or stop putting the word "Nigger" on such a pedal stool.Pro players on steams and in interviews always use "Retarded" and "Idiot" but no one ever loses their job over it unless they say the n word.


I hope you will still stream Orb as I enjoy your steam and casting immensely.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#410
On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,

Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.

Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words.

IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it


I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way.

Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce.

he already addressed idra. go read the other thread.


A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing.

captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same.


Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive.
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:16:10
March 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#411
A well written and sincere apology. I think this matter highlights how many otherwise intelligent people, casually use words with deep histories, in an ill advised way.

I hope your career recovers (I think you are a fantastic caster) and that people forgive you - we all make mistakes; I hope you can eventually take some comfort from the fact that this example has made for a useful message to our communities that it's time to stop casually using hateful language and justifying it as 'rage', 'bm', 'just a word' or 'just joking'.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:15:26
March 09 2012 06:14 GMT
#412
On March 09 2012 15:13 Juggernaut477 wrote:
I think it's stupid that this is such a huge deal.It did not happen while he was on EG,and no one ever gets thousands of threads and comments on Tl/reddit when they say "I raped him that last game".No one thinks maybe someone has been raped or knows someone that has and may be offended.Or when people say "Bitch" or "Fag".We need to make it unacceptable for ANY of those words to be used,or stop putting the word "Nigger" on such a pedal stool.Pro players on steams and in interviews always use "Retarded" and "Idiot" but no one ever loses their job over it unless they say the n word.


I hope you will still stream Orb as I enjoy your steam and casting immensely.

putting idiot and nigger on the same level is jsut dumb

Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive


all about public opinion
zakutu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States4 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#413
On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,

Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.

Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words.

IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it


I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way.

Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce.

he already addressed idra. go read the other thread.


A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing.

captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same.



If reddit went on a witch hunt because IdrA called someone a faggot, and then spammed team EGs sponsors with complaints against the teams they're sponsoring, I guarantee you IdrA would be gone in a week. I may be wrong, alex seems to have a very strict rule about the n word, but I feel that orb would have been let off with a warning, had the reddit/TL mob not spammed the sponsors before facts were presented.
‎"Rock is imba. Paper is fine." - Scissors
Dave-o
Profile Joined March 2012
United States26 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#414
On March 09 2012 15:12 Alasper wrote:
Good post bro, forget the haters. I use to hate you, but I have a new found respect for you.


That says more about you.
tredogz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada170 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#415
It is ok, we all rage.. and this is the internet. you can say what you want, we don't judge, it is just entertaining.
t to the redogz, tredogz
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#416
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
iCpryde
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada12 Posts
March 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#417
Well I'm now sticking to teamliquid for posting and keeping up to date with Starcraft, r/starcraft has become a bunch of vigilantes. I for one am sorry for why has happened to you orb and I hope you keep casting as you are really good at it.
To the one and only legend SlayerSBoxer
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 09 2012 06:16 GMT
#418
On March 09 2012 15:15 zakutu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:
On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,

Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.

Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words.

IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it


I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way.

Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce.

he already addressed idra. go read the other thread.


A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing.

captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same.



If reddit went on a witch hunt because IdrA called someone a faggot, and then spammed team EGs sponsors with complaints against the teams they're sponsoring, I guarantee you IdrA would be gone in a week. I may be wrong, alex seems to have a very strict rule about the n word, but I feel that orb would have been let off with a warning, had the reddit/TL mob not spammed the sponsors before facts were presented.

no it wouldnt becuase even assuming it started to get that big, IdrA would be on TL or on there site or on reddit within 24 hours apologizing in some public forum not trying to say his evil twin brother said it
Aquilla
Profile Joined May 2011
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 06:29:41
March 09 2012 06:16 GMT
#419
I bet it wouldn't be as big of a deal if it were a derogatory term towards another race

EDIT: so whats different between saying fagg or saying the n-word? why can we spell out "fagg" but have to say "n-word" there is no rank of offensive/derogatory language. I once got suspended in middle school because I called someone the n-word after he called me a chink. No, he didn't get suspended but instead got an apology from the principal. Is chink or fagg less harsh? I've never heard asian calling themselves chinks or see gays saying "wattup fagg" to each other because its harmful. Why is ok that idra throws fagg around but not ok when orb lets nigger slip? 2 reasons. first of all, white americans (sorry to generalize) have a lingering guilt because their ancestors from hundreds of years ago enslaved and oppressed blacks. Its 2012. Stop making racism against blacks sooo much more heinous that racism/ prejudice against any other group. Secondly, its about marketing. It is better for the EG organization to fire orb because of the retaliation from the community. It's not about ethics or morals its all business. Firing Idra would cause outrage from the community and would be VERY bad for business for EG. No matter what idra does, if the community isn't outraged, EG will keep him.
firemansam
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia29 Posts
March 09 2012 06:17 GMT
#420
<3 u orb. Eg are ridiculoulsy hypocritical i really cant believe they fired you without warnings for something you did in the past on your own time. i will be sending an email to everyone of their sponsers to compain about idra. why should he be allowed to stay after doing the same thing multiple times and you are dealt with so harshly. if they are such a stand up organisation he should have been fired along time ago.
gfy
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