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On March 09 2012 13:19 sam!zdat wrote:
I'm sorry this happened to you.
Nobody thinks you are a racist.
I think there will be other opportunities for you.
Unfortunately, there are some people here who have never played (or at least lost) to a frustrating cheese, and thus fail to judge him from the position he was in. This position should necessarily excuse orb for his actions, but they definitely should not totally condemn him either.
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On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive.
i agree.
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On March 09 2012 15:16 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:15 zakutu wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. If reddit went on a witch hunt because IdrA called someone a faggot, and then spammed team EGs sponsors with complaints against the teams they're sponsoring, I guarantee you IdrA would be gone in a week. I may be wrong, alex seems to have a very strict rule about the n word, but I feel that orb would have been let off with a warning, had the reddit/TL mob not spammed the sponsors before facts were presented. no it wouldnt becuase even assuming it started to get that big, IdrA would be on TL or on there site or on reddit within 24 hours apologizing in some public forum not trying to say his evil twin brother said it
you seem to be posting ALOT forikorder, may i ask why you are so butthurt?
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On March 09 2012 15:15 zakutu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. If reddit went on a witch hunt because IdrA called someone a faggot, and then spammed team EGs sponsors with complaints against the teams they're sponsoring, I guarantee you IdrA would be gone in a week. I may be wrong, alex seems to have a very strict rule about the n word, but I feel that orb would have been let off with a warning, had the reddit/TL mob not spammed the sponsors before facts were presented.
why dont you try it and see what happens? i am guessing you wont have the same reaction, and i imagine idra wont lie about doing it.
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Thanks for being so professional about it. As some say, "It is what it is."
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On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive.
I second this. They're both the same. EG is opening up a can of worms on this one. If they're to remain consistant they've set a pretty high standard and very severe punishment.
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I want to make absolutely clear that I am not a racist. The accusations against me could not be farther from the truth. The 'N word' was used in a replacable fashion, in that any other curse word would have held the exact same meaning for me. I understand now, however, that this doesn't hold true for all members of the community.
Im pretty sure your completely missing the point if you dont realize why its wrong to use a racial slur as a curse word. That being said no one can be held accountable for things we say on ladder.
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I hope this doesn't keep you out of the scene. Moving on from the incident doesn't have to mean moving on from esports
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No one actually thinks you're a racist for using such terminology.
Interesting to see this is the direction ESPORTS is headed in. I kinda like it. Kinda. Not sure. I think a severe warning would have been more appropriate, but I can understand.
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On March 09 2012 15:18 Audigy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:16 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 15:15 zakutu wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. If reddit went on a witch hunt because IdrA called someone a faggot, and then spammed team EGs sponsors with complaints against the teams they're sponsoring, I guarantee you IdrA would be gone in a week. I may be wrong, alex seems to have a very strict rule about the n word, but I feel that orb would have been let off with a warning, had the reddit/TL mob not spammed the sponsors before facts were presented. no it wouldnt becuase even assuming it started to get that big, IdrA would be on TL or on there site or on reddit within 24 hours apologizing in some public forum not trying to say his evil twin brother said it you seem to be posting ALOT forikorder, may i ask why you are so butthurt?
how am i acting butthurt? where have i made any posts that show i am at all in any offended? i enjoy orb as a caster and this came completely out of left field for me so i got interested and started following it i think hes a great guy and decided to defend him
though if he doesnt adress the lieing thing i could take a 180
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I really do believe that if you made this post in the beginning instead of trying to cover up the situation and lying to your employer about what happened then all would still be good in the world. You even attacked another public figure in Total Biscuit when he called you out. I do feel sorry for you though. This will be a big lesson.
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I think his apology is good, even if it was just from being caught. If he shows he's willing to learn from this mistake, he should have a chance to do so. People are often way too sensitive about "offensive" acts, especially considering that most people have said things they know they shouldn't say, and regretted them afterwards. An act is only offensive if someone takes offense to it. Of course, I'm not saying that racial slurs, or any derogatory remarks, are okay -- I really dislike labels in general -- but that's just the point. I'm almost forced to give some reassurance because of how sensitive people can be.
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very well written. ive never heard of you before i saw the screenshots and really thought you are a bad person and never wanted to hear anything from you, but your apology shows me that you seem to be a well educated guy and as somebody has already said ladder brings the worst out of us!
you being kicked from EG is the correct lesson, someone sometimes has to learn. it hurts for you, but you know it is the correct way.
i hope you get a fresh new beginning. take a break, think about all of it and come back better than before 
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On March 09 2012 15:17 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive. i agree.
Then perhaps Idra deserves to be fired from EG too? I don't want that to happen personally, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency.
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On March 09 2012 15:23 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive. i agree. Then perhaps Idra deserves to be fired from EG too? I don't want that to happen personally, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency.
that horse has already been beatern and adressed multiple times feel free to do a little digging
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you should go pro, win an event. then people will love you for it and forget :D
no seriously, i always thought you got great game sense when i saw you cast. you could give it a go. just work on mechanics.
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I think that it should be a requirement in this thread to be forced to get cannon rushed by CombatEX 5 times in a row prior to making any replies
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On March 09 2012 15:23 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive. i agree. Then perhaps Idra deserves to be fired from EG too? I don't want that to happen personally, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency.
seems like it could be inconsistent. i just cant get past the fact that orb lied about it. alex says he would have fired him regardless, but to me its one thing to fuck up, admit your mistake and life goes on. its another to fuck up, lie to your employer, accuse the community of all kinds of shit and then later admit you lied. i would also like to know why alex differentiates between the two and the entire context, but it doesn't look like its forthcoming.
On March 09 2012 15:24 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 15:23 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 15:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:13 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 15:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 15:07 tomatriedes wrote:On March 09 2012 14:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 09 2012 14:52 PauseBreak wrote:On March 09 2012 14:50 Forikorder wrote:On March 09 2012 14:49 PauseBreak wrote:
Orb,
Idra says far worse and acts more like a child than any other professional sc2 player, especially when he streams. EG needs to fire Idra if they fired you.
Alex Garfield needs to either stand where he says he's standing or he's being predigious himself by not following through with his words. IdrA doesnt call people extreme names thent ry to hide that he does it I'm not upset or anything. So don't take my posts the wrong way. Idra calling people "faggots" is extremely offensive. If Alex was gay I garentee that Idra would get the boot fast than you can spell applesauce. he already addressed idra. go read the other thread. A mild scolding and firing someone is hardly the same thing. captain obvious? alex doesnt consider idra/orb's conduct to be the same, so he doesn't treat them the same. Why is using the word nigger so much worse than faggot? They're both offensive. i agree. Then perhaps Idra deserves to be fired from EG too? I don't want that to happen personally, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency. that horse has already been beatern and adressed multiple times feel free to do a little digging
yes. this is why i referred him originally to the other thread.
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Hey man don't get all sad... you had a good run of 2 days 
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