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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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oBlade
United States5150 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:26 MVTaylor wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jjq28/racist_and_homophobic_thats_what_orb_is/ Looks like no one gave a shit then. So what has happened? I think that's the reaction we should always have as a community. People want to make things a big deal so there's drama in the community. | ||
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Lotar
132 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:10 Angelbelow wrote: I just hope whoever decided to message the sponsors of EG actually did it because they were genuinely offended by Orbs comments Hahaha, I know you're kidding. We both know they did it to see if they could get someone fired, and they won. User was warned for this post | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
People who keep trying to bring racism back to words that used to used as slurs against groups, when in the context used it doesn't even mention anyone who is gay or black. The only people are are truly racists are those that use those words in they way racists used them 50 years ago. Language changes, and if you can't accept that then you are a idiot. Because then faggot isn't a slur for gay people, its a bundle of sticks | ||
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SeventhPride
712 Posts
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binkman
Australia40 Posts
We all make mistakes, best to wear the the consequences and move on - not lie about them and try to cover them up. Particularly not when that involves lying to your new employer. I like orbs casting and his stream, and I dont think hes a racist, but he handled this badly and is paying the price. Hopefully this isn't the end of his casting 'career' and he can take this in his stride and continue doing what he loves. As for comparisons to Idra/Huk/other eg players who have said racist/homophobic things, what we don't see is these people lying about their actions. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:27 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote: This is an insightful post. Do you guys remember the SotG where Destiny and InControl spent 2 hours talking about how the term "nigger" became a generic insult? That was met with some controversy, but the fact is that nigger doesn't mean what it used to. Stop treating it like it does It's what people say when they rage, not when they want to insult a black guy. Same with faggot. Treating orb this way this just reinforces the stigma associated with the words, when it shouldn't even exist anymore. Orb lied. that should be the reason why you fired him, not because hes been calling people niggers and faggots since the beta. You lost a passionate caster today EG, and while you gained some fans, you lost quite a few as well. I'm not mad a EG, I understand that they needed to do this from a business standpoint to appease the masses. I find it hard to believe that nobody from EG had ever tuned into one of orbs streams before where he swears, because its rather frequent. Rather, I think that nobody from EG cared. I'm mad at the starcraft and reddit community. Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a nigger on the stream. If they do, they why does destiny have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a faggot on his stream. If they do, then why does Idra have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? You guys helped ruin someone's life today, I hope you're happy with it. Destiny shouldn't be allowed to do what he does publicly without consequences. The fact that he has been able to get away with it is shameful. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
This community is NO BETTER than the other gaming communities. This community is simply bad for different reasons. It is a sad day for e-sports. | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
Btw.. anyone else read it in his voice?(from interviews) | ||
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:42 ottersareneat wrote: Now, moving on to points more relevant to the happenings of the past several days, let me be clear: it is my personal opinion that n----- is the ugliest, most repulsive word in the American-English vocabulary. I have never said it, typed it, or written it. If it's used in my presence, I immediately speak up and demand that it not be used again in my presence, regardless of context or circumstances (and for the record, I am equally sensitive about who can and can't say n---a, but that's a different discussion entirely). There are many valid reasons to find the word n----- offensive and repulsive, but for me, the overarching reason is that there is no other word that so efficiently and effectively captures such extreme human injustice and inequality. There is an inherent power dynamic/discrepancy contained within the act of saying the word n-----, and its use sets its subject apart from its object to a greater extent than any other word we have is able to. As such, if you prescribe to my contemporary definition of racism outlined above, there is no more racist word in existence than n-----. By its very nature, it is the essence of absolute racism, in its most extreme form, encapsulated in a noun. In my opinion, with few exceptions, it doesn't matter who says it, to whom, in what context. It's a racist word. If it has a subject and an object, I find its use to be inexcusable - again, with very few exceptions. Writing n----- or saying "the n word" still conveys the meaning of the word so to the listener or reader, so it doesn't matter if you did or did not type it, you conveyed the meaning of the word and in that regard can you consider that as being a racist act since the context does not matter? Unless you believe the physical act of pronouncing those set of syllables or pressing the buttons that make up the word itself is racist that is, then that's a completely different issue. Also, just because you associate a deep historical stigma to the word does not mean that the nature of the word encapsulates the essence of racism. Definitions change, and context does matter, and the greatest evidence towards that is that the word is a derivative of the word meaning a person of black ancestry (something quite void of racism without context). I'm not defending orb nor do i know what he said or meant. However, I hate when people push their definitions and use of language on other people. I think hypersensitivity towards such things in itself goes more towards promoting racism as it is a constant reminder of how people used once used to word in such a repulsive and offensive manner. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
I totally understand and see where he is coming from, but I think that words only get whatever power people give to them. I dont think that the n word is a particularly attractive one, but I also think that we should not, as a community, hound on, and for lack of a better word, persecute one prominent person to make a statement. I feel like this punishment is quite harsh for something that was said when -orb wasn't even representing EG. I think that both orb and Alex should write a statement regarding the incidents, and that orb should be allowed to clean up his act, immediately. Maybe he should've been given another chance, and then forced to leave if he fucked up again | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
That said, naturally I'm against racism, and don't want to see it get used in eSports whatsoever. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:19 XRaDiiX wrote: I've gained alot of respect for EG after reading this. I will give a shout out to Steel-series i bought a sensei a month ago because they sponsor EG. See, this is why Orb was fired. | ||
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ExoTau
Canada67 Posts
I agree with the decision and the statement. My question is what happens if reddit starts digging the NUMEROUS f----t I saw on Idra's stream? | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote: This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly. Don't know how people blame anyone other than Orb. The community did not make Orb say/act the way he did. I do feel bad that someone has to suffer but it is because of his own stupidity. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
then the focus amounted to no real action as far as the community is concerned (this is a community issue now, eg has made it so with its post), and the difference between calling someone a faggot and calling someone a nigger is arbitrarily set to being enormous, which one can only assume is what EG thinks since idra is still employed and orb is not. or maybe it's just that the term nigger gets more negative attention from the community/sponsors and all that talk about society was actually bullshit as the cost of keeping orb is simply not worth the money | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
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Gat5by
United States1 Post
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
Anyways, I'm actually surprised that there wasn't much mention of Orb's botched cover-up of the situation, which seemed to be the bulk of the fuel for this outrage. I'm kinda sad that I won't see more of Orb casting with EG, since I really enjoyed his casting in the Korean Weekly. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:27 oogieogie wrote: https://twitter.com/#!/beesinyoface/status/177963959431872512 He has. Alex is good like that. Also, Idra never lied about what he said and never claimed it was anything more that what it was. I'm sure there have been some choice discussions between Alex and Greg. | ||
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