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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
March 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#401
What would have happened if Orb made the decision himself not to burden EG with his past as a ladder rager using utter stupid words, and leave pre-emptively? Combined with a sincere apology (this all before the community snowball) we could have had respect for a man seeing his erroneous ways and trying to rectify it by being responsible.

All we've seen now was dodging (later proved) accusations, and calling other community figures out (Kawaiirice). Shame, he got potential.
월요 날 재미있
Hexxed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States202 Posts
March 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#402
I approve 100%
www.twitch.tv/hexsctv - Zerg Master's stream NA Ladder
tarakas
Profile Joined November 2011
29 Posts
March 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#403
i guess they had no choice then to release him.

thumbs up to all the haters redditusers und hypocrits, you did it again.

really can not wait to so someone like the big guys getting things dig out of there past or some kind of slip up which will then ruin them.

this community consists of so much love ...
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
March 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#404
Specific words don't hold some magical power. It's the overtly sensitive reverence and mystification of that word by people like Alex Garfield that gives it "power." In your zeal to define and label and create protocol the side effect is you are the one that makes that word powerful.

I much more subscribe to the emotionally intelligent as well as clasically intelligent view of somebody like Destiny who believes context and emotion conveyed through language is important. The words themselves are only a means, a set of symbols to convey the ideas in the head of one person.

I think you have to be intentionally obtuse and morally dishonest to pretend that Orb wasn't using that word as it stands in the common gamer vernacular and try to link the word to its classic existence in the American English vernacular as a racial prejorative.

Orb is not a racist for using that word and specific words only have the power we give them. In Buddhism, they view the mind as a virtual garden and thoughts and ideas start as seeds. When you think certain thoughts you are growing those ideas as a seed grows into a plant. By giving such emphasis and deference to thoughts which you knowingly recognize as not descending from card-carrying racists and neo nazis, you extend the reach or racial prejudice and allow it to persist and endure despite our social evolution.

I would implore you Mr. Garfield to reevaluate your approach to the issue of racism because I believe it's fundamentally the wrong philosophy that we as a society need to achieve the ultimate ideal: total eradication of racism. Focusing on the context and the message that people are communicating and not the words themselves is the proper ideology.
Lixler
Profile Joined March 2010
United States265 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#405
On March 09 2012 13:19 johnnywup wrote:
good response but shoulda done more research on orb before contracting him if you didnt want people who use terms like that.

Of course they knew orb raged on ladder. The entire apology is a phony sham made up so they don't lose sponsors. They're not retards, and being involved in the scene since beta of course they would know orb rages and says naughty words. It's just a false victim card to say they had no idea orb was such a big jerk and he deceived their nice little organization. The fact that people eat shit of this nature up is just disgusting.

User was warned for this post
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#406
If orb had just admitted he wrote that stuff and apologized right away he would still be casting for EG imo.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#407
I don't understand why people even bother to post before they've read it. "just want to let you know, i'll read this". wtf?
anyhow, nicely written; I particularly like how although these events are excusable, EG shows that it will remain future driven. By setting standards and moving the community to be more mature, it also makes it more legitimate. I wasn't crazy about the whole "WHERE IS THE POST FROM ALEX" but I'm glad it wasn't rushed.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#408
On March 09 2012 13:18 TBone- wrote:
Wow I really feel for Orb on that one . He was living the dream.

I don't feel proud... You make this out to be some glorious feat by the community, but in reality, a kid who had a dream messed up, and got fired for it. That to me is so sad. Can you guys actually imagine how terrible Orb must be feeling?


The problem is that he's not a kid. He's an adult. Adults have to face the consequences and learn from them.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#409
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote:
This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly.

He lied to his employer, why are you supporting this?
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#410
hahaha
it is a tough lesson
but always act in a good manner
or it will come back and bite you in the ass
Karma Bitches!
Megabust
Profile Joined July 2011
Madagascar10 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#411
Too many double standards,
Too many lynch mobs...

Why is no one lynching Idra...

Im really disappointed with the way things with Katu, and Orb went... I guess if you can get a few thousand internet junkies to agree on something and stir the pot, you get even worse reactions.

I would love to see what happens to first person who calls someone a "Nerd" and the person being called this should lynch. To me, using "nerd" is to demean someones over-education, is just as bad. Especially in this context where orb knew nothing about the said players he used the "nigger" word towards.

User was warned for this post
Shaka Shaka
Klamitya
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada18 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#412
Very well written, logical, and thought out post. Thank you for the update!

I also very much agree that f----t should be treated with the same hostility. It is an ugly word. Just my opinion though. =)
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#413
I can't believe there's people in this thread trying to argue why Alex SHOULDN'T be offended.

It's Alex's business. Orb was being a jackass. It crossed Alex's threshold. He canned him.

GOOD FOR HIM.

Man, I'm glad he's not cow-towing to internet nerds. Their idea of civility and decency is severely warped.
Hashbaz
Profile Joined July 2010
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:27:06
March 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#414
Thanks for this Alex, you made the right call for the right reasons. The Internet is what it is, and there will always be offensive stuff around. But our community should stop tolerating hateful words and speech, even if those who use it do so out of habit without intending the literal meaning. It's time to grow up.
ESPORTS prevails
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
March 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#415
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote:
This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly.


Please, do the same thing Orb did, except go outside and do it at your job, if you have one. And then say your excuse "It's just a word, the whole thing is silly."

Let us know how that works out.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
March 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#416
Well, I don't know how to feel about this. Firstly, well written post and all but as much as on the one hand it's the right decision if we're trying to get esports main stream and racism shouldn't be accepted in any walk of life I have to question how this community works.

The amount of effort and drama that has gone in to ruining someones career, someone who has put in endless hours providing quality content for the community... And it's not exactly like this is a one off. Katu gets fired, orb gets fired, I have a PM stating Tumba won't be casting any more ONOG events after his outburst about the French / Stephano and the Stephano thing already kicked up a fuss.

People really, really need to simmer down and stop looking for any excuse to start destroying the careers of these people who work so hard to provide us content.

I mean look, here's one of the screenshots that has been used against orb now when it was first posted 6 months ago.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jjq28/racist_and_homophobic_thats_what_orb_is/

Looks like no one gave a shit then. So what has happened?
@followMVT
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:27:10
March 09 2012 04:27 GMT
#417
On March 09 2012 13:24 taintmachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:17 ZenithM wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:13 Luepert wrote:
Idra calls people faggots while officailly representing EG
Idra gets the largest fanbase in all of starcraft 2
Idra gets paid lots of money by EG.

Orb calls people niggers while on his own personal time
Orb has few fans
Orb gets fired by EG.


The thing is, it's not advisable to trash talk and insult some dudes on the Internet, regardless of what certain other people seem to be allowed to say.
Can't you just take your fucking loss and shut the fuck up without BM'ing?


two wrongs don't make a right, but eg has had people saying homophobic comments in the public eye from the start of their involvement with sc2. i apparently have low standards for what people say, since i mostly do not care about any namecalling. however, the hypocrisy here is very funny, and if EG was going to try to make a statement about being socially aware and considerate, then they should have focused on their big names calling people faggots before their little names started calling people niggers.



He has.
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
March 09 2012 04:27 GMT
#418
Say what you will about EG, Alex is a classy guy. That was a hard situation for EG, and I think it was handled very well. Respect.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 09 2012 04:27 GMT
#419
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote:
This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly.


Orb ruined his own career. He could've been mature, fessed up, apologized, and done some good deeds to make up for it. Instead he chose to rage against the people who called him out and lie through his teeth until he was caught red handed. He got exactly what he deserves.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:29:41
March 09 2012 04:27 GMT
#420
On March 09 2012 13:15 EcksperT wrote:
I don't know what exactly caused the outrage... but I do not think it had anything to do with the community's "core values." Look no further than Destiny defending the fact that he says "nigger" and those who championed him for that or no one caring when HuK said it on twitter to his tens of thousands of followers. This is not a proud day. There was no comcomitance of morals amongst Starcraft Players. I believe this incident was nothing more than people creating drama for the sake of drama.



This is an insightful post.

Do you guys remember the SotG where Destiny and InControl spent 2 hours talking about how the term "nigger" became a generic insult? That was met with some controversy, but the fact is that nigger doesn't mean what it used to. Stop treating it like it does It's what people say when they rage, not when they want to insult a black guy. Same with faggot. Treating orb this way this just reinforces the stigma associated with the words, when it shouldn't even exist anymore.

Orb lied. that should be the reason why you fired him, not because hes been calling people niggers and faggots since the beta. You lost a passionate caster today EG, and while you gained some fans, you lost quite a few as well.

I'm not mad a EG, I understand that they needed to do this from a business standpoint to appease the masses. I find it hard to believe that nobody from EG had ever tuned into one of orbs streams before where he swears, because its rather frequent. Rather, I think that nobody from EG cared.

I'm mad at the starcraft and reddit community. Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a nigger on the stream. If they do, then why does destiny have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a faggot on his stream. If they do, then why does Idra have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? You guys helped ruin someone's life today, I hope you're happy with it.
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