EPTAll we've seen now was dodging (later proved) accusations, and calling other community figures out (Kawaiirice). Shame, he got potential.
Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 21
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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
All we've seen now was dodging (later proved) accusations, and calling other community figures out (Kawaiirice). Shame, he got potential. | ||
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Hexxed
United States202 Posts
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tarakas
29 Posts
thumbs up to all the haters redditusers und hypocrits, you did it again. really can not wait to so someone like the big guys getting things dig out of there past or some kind of slip up which will then ruin them. this community consists of so much love ... | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
I much more subscribe to the emotionally intelligent as well as clasically intelligent view of somebody like Destiny who believes context and emotion conveyed through language is important. The words themselves are only a means, a set of symbols to convey the ideas in the head of one person. I think you have to be intentionally obtuse and morally dishonest to pretend that Orb wasn't using that word as it stands in the common gamer vernacular and try to link the word to its classic existence in the American English vernacular as a racial prejorative. Orb is not a racist for using that word and specific words only have the power we give them. In Buddhism, they view the mind as a virtual garden and thoughts and ideas start as seeds. When you think certain thoughts you are growing those ideas as a seed grows into a plant. By giving such emphasis and deference to thoughts which you knowingly recognize as not descending from card-carrying racists and neo nazis, you extend the reach or racial prejudice and allow it to persist and endure despite our social evolution. I would implore you Mr. Garfield to reevaluate your approach to the issue of racism because I believe it's fundamentally the wrong philosophy that we as a society need to achieve the ultimate ideal: total eradication of racism. Focusing on the context and the message that people are communicating and not the words themselves is the proper ideology. | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:19 johnnywup wrote: good response but shoulda done more research on orb before contracting him if you didnt want people who use terms like that. Of course they knew orb raged on ladder. The entire apology is a phony sham made up so they don't lose sponsors. They're not retards, and being involved in the scene since beta of course they would know orb rages and says naughty words. It's just a false victim card to say they had no idea orb was such a big jerk and he deceived their nice little organization. The fact that people eat shit of this nature up is just disgusting. User was warned for this post | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
anyhow, nicely written; I particularly like how although these events are excusable, EG shows that it will remain future driven. By setting standards and moving the community to be more mature, it also makes it more legitimate. I wasn't crazy about the whole "WHERE IS THE POST FROM ALEX" but I'm glad it wasn't rushed. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:18 TBone- wrote: Wow I really feel for Orb on that one  . He was living the dream. I don't feel proud... You make this out to be some glorious feat by the community, but in reality, a kid who had a dream messed up, and got fired for it. That to me is so sad. Can you guys actually imagine how terrible Orb must be feeling? The problem is that he's not a kid. He's an adult. Adults have to face the consequences and learn from them. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote: This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly. He lied to his employer, why are you supporting this? | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
it is a tough lesson but always act in a good manner or it will come back and bite you in the ass Karma Bitches! | ||
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Megabust
Madagascar10 Posts
Too many lynch mobs... Why is no one lynching Idra... Im really disappointed with the way things with Katu, and Orb went... I guess if you can get a few thousand internet junkies to agree on something and stir the pot, you get even worse reactions. I would love to see what happens to first person who calls someone a "Nerd" and the person being called this should lynch. To me, using "nerd" is to demean someones over-education, is just as bad. Especially in this context where orb knew nothing about the said players he used the "nigger" word towards. User was warned for this post | ||
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Klamitya
Canada18 Posts
I also very much agree that f----t should be treated with the same hostility. It is an ugly word. Just my opinion though. =) | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
It's Alex's business. Orb was being a jackass. It crossed Alex's threshold. He canned him. GOOD FOR HIM. Man, I'm glad he's not cow-towing to internet nerds. Their idea of civility and decency is severely warped. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote: This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly. Please, do the same thing Orb did, except go outside and do it at your job, if you have one. And then say your excuse "It's just a word, the whole thing is silly." Let us know how that works out. | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
The amount of effort and drama that has gone in to ruining someones career, someone who has put in endless hours providing quality content for the community... And it's not exactly like this is a one off. Katu gets fired, orb gets fired, I have a PM stating Tumba won't be casting any more ONOG events after his outburst about the French / Stephano and the Stephano thing already kicked up a fuss. People really, really need to simmer down and stop looking for any excuse to start destroying the careers of these people who work so hard to provide us content. I mean look, here's one of the screenshots that has been used against orb now when it was first posted 6 months ago. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jjq28/racist_and_homophobic_thats_what_orb_is/ Looks like no one gave a shit then. So what has happened? | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:24 taintmachine wrote: two wrongs don't make a right, but eg has had people saying homophobic comments in the public eye from the start of their involvement with sc2. i apparently have low standards for what people say, since i mostly do not care about any namecalling. however, the hypocrisy here is very funny, and if EG was going to try to make a statement about being socially aware and considerate, then they should have focused on their big names calling people faggots before their little names started calling people niggers. He has. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:24 Sprouter wrote: This community is full of hypocrites. I hope you are all happy ruining a guy's dream for something really silly. Orb ruined his own career. He could've been mature, fessed up, apologized, and done some good deeds to make up for it. Instead he chose to rage against the people who called him out and lie through his teeth until he was caught red handed. He got exactly what he deserves. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:15 EcksperT wrote: I don't know what exactly caused the outrage... but I do not think it had anything to do with the community's "core values." Look no further than Destiny defending the fact that he says "nigger" and those who championed him for that or no one caring when HuK said it on twitter to his tens of thousands of followers. This is not a proud day. There was no comcomitance of morals amongst Starcraft Players. I believe this incident was nothing more than people creating drama for the sake of drama. This is an insightful post. Do you guys remember the SotG where Destiny and InControl spent 2 hours talking about how the term "nigger" became a generic insult? That was met with some controversy, but the fact is that nigger doesn't mean what it used to. Stop treating it like it does It's what people say when they rage, not when they want to insult a black guy. Same with faggot. Treating orb this way this just reinforces the stigma associated with the words, when it shouldn't even exist anymore. Orb lied. that should be the reason why you fired him, not because hes been calling people niggers and faggots since the beta. You lost a passionate caster today EG, and while you gained some fans, you lost quite a few as well. I'm not mad a EG, I understand that they needed to do this from a business standpoint to appease the masses. I find it hard to believe that nobody from EG had ever tuned into one of orbs streams before where he swears, because its rather frequent. Rather, I think that nobody from EG cared. I'm mad at the starcraft and reddit community. Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a nigger on the stream. If they do, then why does destiny have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? Nobody gives a fuck if orb calls someone a faggot on his stream. If they do, then why does Idra have free reign to do it whenever he wants to? You guys helped ruin someone's life today, I hope you're happy with it. | ||
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