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On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote:
He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems.
He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet.
thought he wasn't going back to korea?
last time he said he already learned all what was to learn from korea, now its only about training and practice, and he can do that in EU.
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On March 07 2012 18:53 eraphocis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote:
He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems.
He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet. thought he wasn't going back to korea? last time he said he already learned all what was to learn from korea, now its only about training and practice, and he can do that in EU.
Yes but the average korean player are a lot better then the average foreign player he plays on EU/NA. It wouldn't be a bad idea at all for him to play vs top koreans on ladder, better then smashing the EU ladder over and over again.
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Well ladder is ladder and not really something challenging. Even though this run is impressive, all it shows is that sadly stephano's main practice (as he stated himself before) comes from ladder. There is a reason most top koreans don't care about ladder/don't even practice on it. Any top level pro is capable of getting >70% winratio on any ladder, given that EU is way under the KR level it's even easier on EU.
I don't even see why we keep getting threads over him doing well on ladder, I hope we can get away from the assumption of ladder rank/performance = skill.
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IMMvp had 200-10 on the EU server. Thats quite a lot sicker.
Edit: someone else already mentioned it
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In my opinion, Stephano just gained 10 cool points for playing team monobattles. The ladders stats are impressive sure, but it's ladder. What's a much bigger deal is that Stephano plays monobattles.
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On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote:I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvpLadder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea.
Wtf that's so scary :D
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I don't understand how these guys are somuch better than the average skilled player.
No disrespect to others, but when I see Strelok, Destiny, IdrA and IncontroL ladder. They look pretty mortal.
Stephano had 9k viewers yesterday. And all these people actually like his playstyle and are there to watch him play SCII. Not for the drama.
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Stephano doesn't lose to europeans/foreigners. That's pretty much guaranteed. I'd say vs. europeans he's more consistent than a lot of koreans.
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Worth to note is that Stephano does stuff like mass lings only (on the ladder) and other ridiculous builds that wouldn't work vs top level progamers but he still wins pretty easily.
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On March 07 2012 18:56 PandaTank wrote:
IMMvp had 200-10 on the EU server. Thats quite a lot sicker.
Edit: someone else already mentioned it
Pretty sure this isn't Mvp. Which is what is sick :D
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I was talking to a friend about his ladderstats yesterday and we just laughed. This dude is crazy and one can only hope, that he doesn`t get to cocky over this, but constantly trys to improve his game. I`m regularly impressed by his play when watching his stream.
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On March 07 2012 18:46 Nelz wrote:
He's not even playing ladder seriously, he just make full ling most of the time versus terran and win without any problems.
He's really bored by the EU ladder, he's thinking to another trip in korea in April but he's not sure yet.
Full ling is actually stupidly good against terran until they get maxed, so I'm not surprised he's doing well.
On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote:
Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve.
Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored.
What is his mode of practice exactly?
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MMR cap causes this... My friend who is high masters is matched with teams even against Stephano. If you're teams even with number 1 GM while you're maybe only number 100 in masters in EU, then something with the ladder seems flawed by design in my eyes. Basically anyone in high masters and grandmasters are MMR capped to the point where they are slightly favored against each other.
It's a silly system that makes ladder bad for players of Stephano's caliber... He was even saying in his own stream chat that it was really boring to play ladder when he could beat everyone he met with little effort. Fast teching to hive while completely annihilating funkay with only lings. – Just to give an example of what happened on his stream yesterday.
Blizzard need to reconsider having a MMR cap on the ladder. It really seems to have a bad influence on the ladder in the very top. If you're grandmasters or near the top of masters, then you will most likely face Stephano on the ladder, and he will beat you. It's not matching skill anymore at this point.
TLDR; MMR cap means Stephano is playing terrible players who are also MMR capped.
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On March 07 2012 18:55 Lorch wrote:
Well ladder is ladder and not really something challenging. Even though this run is impressive, all it shows is that sadly stephano's main practice (as he stated himself before) comes from ladder. There is a reason most top koreans don't care about ladder/don't even practice on it. Any top level pro is capable of getting >70% winratio on any ladder, given that EU is way under the KR level it's even easier on EU.
I don't even see why we keep getting threads over him doing well on ladder, I hope we can get away from the assumption of ladder rank/performance = skill.
He's the best EU player and he's rank 1 on EU ladder. Ladder means everything!!!!!
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I forced him to make roachs, fuck yeah 8)
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Haha Stephano is such a good player.
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Don't worry, MMR-fix coming your way in 2014!
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On March 07 2012 19:32 Poopi wrote:
I forced him to make roachs, fuck yeah 8)
One roach or more? xD Well done anyway!
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EPT
