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On March 09 2012 06:37 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 05:43 CeriseCherries wrote:On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote:
I'm watching Stephano's stream right now and wow his play reminds me of Flash and Jaedong. I think he's the best player at the moment. -_- stephano is really good, but flash?... best foreigner zerg, probs... best player in world? probs not. flash. defs not. You can have 2 players with similar play styles and be completely different in skill. In what world does remind mean exact same?
Probably because 1. they don't have similar playstyles (in whatever way, shape, or form you could compare sc1 to sc2 and terrans and zergs), and 2. the second part of his post inferred he was the best player in the world
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On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote:On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote:On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote:
Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long.
Look at the other players around him. They all have sick records (though admittedly not 90%). Yet they are obviously far from GSL Code S players. This EU ladder record/streak means absolutely nothing.
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On March 09 2012 04:01 BadBinky wrote:
I think he's the best player at the moment.
...no, just no.
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On March 09 2012 09:40 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote:On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote:On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote:On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote:
Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. Look at the other players around him. They all have sick records (though admittedly not 90%). Yet they are obviously far from GSL Code S players. This EU ladder record/streak means absolutely nothing.
I agree but his Top 7 and 72% win ratio on the korean GM. Only the 2nd zerg in Korea(DRG was the first) to be over 70% win ratio clearly means something. He is also a top 8 in the world with highest price earnings.
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My god, how does one get this good?
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On March 09 2012 09:25 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 09:13 Swiv wrote:On March 09 2012 07:16 zefreak wrote:On March 09 2012 06:19 juked wrote:On March 09 2012 06:09 Raid wrote:
Just shows how much better KR ladder is than any other ladder region... I don't get why we should care about this run any top 30 korean would probably have a similar run considering how dominant they are showing in recent tourneys at EU like Assembly and IEM Stephano is just as good as the koreans. He got to the finals in Assembly to face polt, gsl world champion, only to get beat but showed he can fight and face the koreans. Its a impressive ladder run no matter how you look at it He's not as good as 'the koreans' (as if they were all equally skilled?). He might be the best foreigner but he isn't in the top 25 players in the world IMO. That might even be generous of me. Plus his Assembly run wasn't exactly impressive.. Polt had by far the harder opposition. I'll put him in Top25 Sc2 players any time. Don't even have to think about it too long. I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt, but he would have to compete and do well in GSL to prove it. And it's EU server...definitely a level above others, but not as competitive as the Korean server. Seriously, even Happy and Nerchio have around 85% win rates, and they get rolled by Koreans.
I agree, seems like it's still KR > EU > NA
But it's always just Terran's and Zerg's who get such a record, never saw a Protoss on top with such a high win percentage
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On March 09 2012 10:09 llKenZyll wrote:
My god, how does one get this good?
hate to break it to you, but not all pros have actual talent to compete at highest level like Stephano. Many pros dont realize this and keep continue to play this game despite of their lack of talent or lack of ability. Even if they do, just take a look at how much these pro Koreans actually do play. They play 12 hours everyday or more... Stephano only plays only few hours? pfft well think again.
at the end if you have the ability and use that to improve while u are playing, you will improve like stephano with dedication. I'm sure Stephano finds this game somewhat comical cause its probably very easy for him and some of his thoughts would be wow these kids are actually really really bad... and stupid.
I apologize if I offended anyone, I probably did but if you are actually offended. Think about what you are doing, and perhaps change ur gaming style or if you can actually win a lot of games then play a lot more than right now? If not... well u probably wanna take it easy and play for fun.
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I actually think NA ladder have improved the last 6 months so I don't really think the difference between NA and EU is worth mentioning, I've seen too many NA pros beat EU pros the last few month for this to be relevant. (I'm talking about GM level of play)
And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker.
As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder.
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It's amazing how he only gets +2 points from a win since he wins so much hahaha
<3 Stephano
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On March 09 2012 10:23 Motoorhead wrote:OMG! I found player with 97.83% win ratio! I think he's gonna be next bonjwa, the best foreigner or even the best player in the world! Check him out!: http://sc2ranks.com/sea/253896/TiGerSPR
on this server, my record would probably also be at 80%.
stephano is sick and the best foreigner without a doubt, probably top 20 player in the world. i dont need his ladderrecord to see and know this.
and to those guys "everyone around him has 90%" first of all, the others have more like 80%. And who are those players? still ppl that belong to the top 30 foreigner list (happy, nerchio - no1 has a fucking clue whos smurf Kingler is)
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Lol at people calling Stephano top 20 player in the world based off of a ladder run and dominating the foreigner scene which is really performing great in IEM and other tournaments amirite?
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It's pretty cool. But, I mean, EU ladder run is meh. Also, as you pointed out, the tournaments are the real testament to skill. And he hasn't been exactly killing it lately. But yeah, he's gosu for sure, and that ladder run is still pretty damn cool.
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On March 09 2012 10:22 gruff wrote:
I actually think NA ladder have improved the last 6 months so I don't really think the difference between NA and EU is worth mentioning, I've seen too many NA pros beat EU pros the last few month for this to be relevant. (I'm talking about GM level of play)
And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker.
As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder.
You must be kidding. The difference between NA and EU is as big as EU to Korea.
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I think Stephano is still the best foreigner. But I'm doubtful that he can get through code A, which is a testament to how much better koreans are than foreigners. And with the BW a teamers switching over...
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On March 09 2012 11:34 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 10:22 gruff wrote:
I actually think NA ladder have improved the last 6 months so I don't really think the difference between NA and EU is worth mentioning, I've seen too many NA pros beat EU pros the last few month for this to be relevant. (I'm talking about GM level of play)
And I'm pretty sure Idra had 80-90% on NA at some point but that was around the time when he was at his best and NA ladder was a bit weaker.
As for how he would do in Korea, I don't think he'd make it through Code A. Once the Korean's get time to study and prepare against him it will be much harder games than anything he come up on EU ladder. You must be kidding. The difference between NA and EU is as big as EU to Korea.
No he isn't kidding. Many korean pros play on NA, so top levels actually aren't much different for either server.
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On March 09 2012 12:26 dgwow wrote:
I think Stephano is still the best foreigner. But I'm doubtful that he can get through code A, which is a testament to how much better koreans are than foreigners. And with the BW a teamers switching over...
You thinking something is not a testament to anything.
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On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote:
Stephano's stream - 10k views
MKP's stream - 1,7k views
Destiny's stream - 1,6k views
He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra..)
/facepalm
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On March 09 2012 22:26 Lasbike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 08:34 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote:
Stephano's stream - 10k views
MKP's stream - 1,7k views
Destiny's stream - 1,6k views
He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra..) /facepalm
double /facepalm
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On March 09 2012 10:19 Haustka wrote: hate to break it to you, but not all pros have actual talent to compete at highest level like Stephano. Many pros dont realize this and keep continue to play this game despite of their lack of talent or lack of ability. Even if they do, just take a look at how much these pro Koreans actually do play. They play 12 hours everyday or more... Stephano only plays only few hours? pfft well think again. at the end if you have the ability and use that to improve while u are playing, you will improve like stephano with dedication. I'm sure Stephano finds this game somewhat comical cause its probably very easy for him and some of his thoughts would be wow these kids are actually really really bad... and stupid. I apologize if I offended anyone, I probably did but if you are actually offended. Think about what you are doing, and perhaps change ur gaming style or if you can actually win a lot of games then play a lot more than right now? If not... well u probably wanna take it easy and play for fun.
So you are saying that everyone who is worse than Stephano shouldnt take the competition seriously and just play for fun?
How do you come to the conclusion that Stephano plays at the highest level? He doesnt have the slightest chance to win a GSL.
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