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HavocGG
Profile Joined August 2010
Czech Republic113 Posts
March 02 2012 09:27 GMT
#21
The korean chart's never been very balanced mainly due to how low the amount of games played is compared to international, keep that in mind guys.

Korean : 363 games

International : 2208 games
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 02 2012 09:27 GMT
#22
This doesn't surprise me at all. After seeing how the Korean Protoses have refined their play style along with some of the buffs they received over the past few months, and the nerfs to the other race, this was long overdue.

The bad part is, the graph is in favor of Protoss, in PvT both in international and in the Korean scene, with bigger fluctuations depending on zone.

The PvZ part is even worst in Korea then PvT, not sure what to make of it, since the past month it was in favor of zerg by a large amount, while the PvT stats where slowly going form terran favored to even and now to protoss favored.

TvZ in Korea is still going strongly in Terran favor, and with Koreans really able to exercise terran's strengths in the early and mid game, much better, I think it will take a while until people realize how bad TvZ is actually going to get in the late game.

I really don't give a damn about about international stats being closer to balanced, since the level of play in Korea is way higher, and now they use a very different map pool.
Really curious how the next two months will look.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 02 2012 09:29 GMT
#23
On March 02 2012 18:27 HavocGG wrote:
The korean chart's never been very balanced mainly due to how low the amount of games played is compared to international, keep that in mind guys.

Korean : 363 games

International : 2208 games
Also keep in mind that the international graph has weekly cups and stuff in it so not as likely to have top top tier players.
#freeshauni
Antares_
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland269 Posts
March 02 2012 09:31 GMT
#24
If it wasn't for Stephano, the international ZvP ratio would look otherwise
If you make no mistake, yet still lose - you don't understand the game. Spiral out, keep going.
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
March 02 2012 09:35 GMT
#25
It's really interesting how ZvP changes almost month to month in Korea.

This month P favored, last month Z, Nov-Dec P, July-Oct Z
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
March 02 2012 09:37 GMT
#26
How many koreans games did we see with the new phoenix's upgrade ? Almost none ? Will blizzard see it wrong and assume that protoss are simply overpowered because of this change only ?
Let's hope not.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 02 2012 09:39 GMT
#27
These graphs are not surprising...it's been like this for a while, especially TvP...hopefully Blizzard does something soon.
Sup
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 02 2012 09:49 GMT
#28
Protoss looking finally strong :D
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 02 2012 10:06 GMT
#29
On March 02 2012 18:39 avilo wrote:
These graphs are not surprising...it's been like this for a while, especially TvP...hopefully Blizzard does something soon.


Yeah, nothing.
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bobsire
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada296 Posts
March 02 2012 10:09 GMT
#30
Can't really say t OP anymore. Expected to see protoss take the lead.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 02 2012 10:15 GMT
#31
despite all terran nerfs and map adjustments, tvz has been heavily t favored from release to now, maybe a more severe change to the core units of the matchup is needed
Host-
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand459 Posts
March 02 2012 10:16 GMT
#32
Would you look at that, in Korea Zergs have the lowest win rate again!
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
March 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#33
Protoss month in Korea as expected

PvZ looks nice on the graph since the favorite race has been changing every month since November

I expect TvP to get closer to 50% next month, it looked better for the terrans in the 2nd half of the month than in the 1st half
DizkYSUP
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria22 Posts
March 02 2012 10:26 GMT
#34
On March 02 2012 18:27 Destructicon wrote:
This doesn't surprise me at all. After seeing how the Korean Protoses have refined their play style along with some of the buffs they received over the past few months, and the nerfs to the other race, this was long overdue.

The bad part is, the graph is in favor of Protoss, in PvT both in international and in the Korean scene, with bigger fluctuations depending on zone.

The PvZ part is even worst in Korea then PvT, not sure what to make of it, since the past month it was in favor of zerg by a large amount, while the PvT stats where slowly going form terran favored to even and now to protoss favored.

TvZ in Korea is still going strongly in Terran favor, and with Koreans really able to exercise terran's strengths in the early and mid game, much better, I think it will take a while until people realize how bad TvZ is actually going to get in the late game.

I really don't give a damn about about international stats being closer to balanced, since the level of play in Korea is way higher, and now they use a very different map pool.
Really curious how the next two months will look.

I don´t see Protoss favored against Terran in the International graph o.o
mothership good unit // Kiwikaki
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
March 02 2012 10:26 GMT
#35
Wow, Protoss looking good nowadays.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
fiveohfive
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia81 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:30:32
March 02 2012 10:28 GMT
#36
So does anyone still want to argue that Protoss isn't a little too powerful in the T v P MU now? Oh, lets give it few more months first I guess, just to make sure Protoss has nothing to argue about.

EDIT: Wasn't it only a couple of weeks ago David Kim said the T v P MU was fine? Hmmmmmmmmmm..........
Terran, nerfed since '10. One ability at a time!
HaiFiSCH26
Profile Joined November 2011
Bulgaria91 Posts
March 02 2012 10:29 GMT
#37
changes in the game arent the answer to the balance imo,grpahs are shifting becaouse of the metagame shift and i beg the people who complain non stop about the balance not to wait for a new patch taht will nerf/buff stuff but to refine their own gameplay and style,bacause if a slight buff to your race ban give you lets say 10 more % wins a positive change in your playsyle and strategy can enshure you much times that.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
March 02 2012 10:29 GMT
#38
Looking pretty cool actually, still the graphs tends to shatter every time a bit, but for now I'm more than satisfied.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 02 2012 10:30 GMT
#39
PvT in February internationally 52.3% Protoss, 47.7% Terran, a difference of 4.6% win rate between the two, granted it isn't as large a difference as in Korea, but it's still there.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:33:29
March 02 2012 10:33 GMT
#40
I still wonder why they fucked around with TvZ :|

Also abit dissapointing that Koreans have such a small sample pool of games, hard to draw anything from that :|
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