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Applesqt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:59:12
April 05 2012 14:53 GMT
#441
I don't get why protoss are saying that because they weren't doing well they deserve to do very well for awhile, the game should be balanced and hoping for your race to stay doing well isn't going to help it get any more balanced.

Edit: By doing very well I mean having high win rates in all match ups, not winning tournaments.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:56:16
April 05 2012 14:54 GMT
#442
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
April 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#443
Zerg is the weakest race yet again. What a surprise.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
April 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#444
On April 06 2012 00:02 arfyron wrote:
Zerg is the weakest race yet again. What a surprise.


Don't know which graph you are watching, zerg isn't the weakest in international or Korean

Or are you looking at February graph?
Jaegeru
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 15:15:44
April 05 2012 15:12 GMT
#445
On April 06 2012 00:02 arfyron wrote:
Zerg is the weakest race yet again. What a surprise.


Zerg is improving internationally in all matchups, beating both terran and protoss so I don't know what you could be complaining about. But admittedly zerg is looking fairly bad in Korea vs protoss, however in contrast is looking good vs Terran (Proabably due to the ghost patch this month). But I'm putting that down to the small sample size of games being played in korea compared to the amount of matches internationally and coupled with the fact that in GSL you have ample time to prepare beforehand for a specific matchup.
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
April 05 2012 16:24 GMT
#446
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game.
Envy fan since NTH.
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
April 05 2012 16:25 GMT
#447
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.

Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
April 05 2012 16:44 GMT
#448
On March 02 2012 17:51 Peleus wrote:
As a Zerg, I prefer to argue that we need a buff due to the Korean statistics.

Seriously though, it just goes its hard to even define balance let alone measure it reliably. International says balanced, Korea says otherwise.

It's nice to see the international as balanced as it ever has been though.


A Hydra buff would be good. So they are actually used.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 05 2012 16:47 GMT
#449
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.



I'm talking about TvZ.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 16:57:24
April 05 2012 16:56 GMT
#450
On April 06 2012 01:47 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.



I'm talking about TvZ.


Whoops! My bad :3. PvT balance discussion is all the rage these days. Also for some reason I forgot about the snipe nerf which I agree hurt Terran .
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
April 05 2012 18:05 GMT
#451
On April 06 2012 01:24 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game.


Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone.

Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
April 05 2012 18:13 GMT
#452
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.



The Korea graph is just a duplicate of the international one. It even says international at the bottom. <.< Would like to see the actual Korean stats.
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 05 2012 18:16 GMT
#453
On April 06 2012 03:05 Horseballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:24 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game.


Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone.

Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me.


I'm struggling as Protoss against T and Z it's in my best interest to get this balanced for my gold league problems so which one of us is correct?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
April 05 2012 18:18 GMT
#454
On April 06 2012 03:05 Horseballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:24 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game.


Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone.

Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me.


And if they balance around low levels, then the game won't be balanced at all at the top levels, and instead of losing you and maybe a couple other customers, they will lose the entire pro scene. Can you see how it is logically better to keep the pro scene and balance around that, and allow the low league players to get better at the game to have it be more balanced?
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
April 05 2012 18:19 GMT
#455
On April 06 2012 03:13 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.



The Korea graph is just a duplicate of the international one. It even says international at the bottom. <.< Would like to see the actual Korean stats.


Here is the korean one: http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQ.png

As a terran it makes me sad, since TvP is already very hard (macro terran), and when I see these stats, we can expect another nerf...
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 05 2012 18:23 GMT
#456
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


I don't think you know what politically correct means.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 05 2012 18:34 GMT
#457
On April 06 2012 03:19 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 03:13 Yonnua wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote:
I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/


These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international.

http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV

Blizzard should let the game be for awhile.



The Korea graph is just a duplicate of the international one. It even says international at the bottom. <.< Would like to see the actual Korean stats.


Here is the korean one: http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQ.png

As a terran it makes me sad, since TvP is already very hard (macro terran), and when I see these stats, we can expect another nerf...


wow that was a huge jump tvp win rate jesus and zvt for the first time since august of 2011 is favoring zerg. Always love looking at the stats and kinda funny how it swapped around from february to march .
When I think of something else, something will go here
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
April 05 2012 18:40 GMT
#458
On April 06 2012 03:16 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 03:05 Horseballs wrote:
On April 06 2012 01:24 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:47 Piledriver wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:43 Horseballs wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:41 Shiori wrote:
On April 05 2012 23:34 pres.sure wrote:
If anyone is interested, the stats for March are out:
http://t.co/w41IeE3D

I bet a lot of Terrans will be feeling pretty silly right now, and a lot of my Aiur brethren will feel justified in complaining about abusive Zerg play in ZvP.


I don't feel silly - I am still losing as much vs protoss as I was before in masters league.


Then the problem is with you. Not with protoss.


Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me.


The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game.


Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone.

Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me.


I'm struggling as Protoss against T and Z it's in my best interest to get this balanced for my gold league problems so which one of us is correct?


Of course it is in your best interest to get it balanced around your best problems, how could you argue otherwise? The real question is whether or not there is a general trend throughout the playerbase echoing your problems or if you are just bad at those matchups. If it is the former, then Blizzard may act on it. If it is the latter, then Blizzard wont act on it and shouldn't act on it.

On April 06 2012 03:18 hunts wrote:
And if they balance around low levels, then the game won't be balanced at all at the top levels, and instead of losing you and maybe a couple other customers, they will lose the entire pro scene. Can you see how it is logically better to keep the pro scene and balance around that, and allow the low league players to get better at the game to have it be more balanced?


The pro scene is propped up by interested players and watchers. The pro scene depends on your average player being happy, and if more and more people are leaving the game for whatever reason that is bad for the pro scene. The tip-top levels of Broodwar were pretty competitive and generally considered balanced, and yet it never took off in the west and hardly had any playerbase because of the difficulty in competing for your average gamer. And in the end, I don't care about the pro scene when I am not having fun. I don't want to win all of the time, I just want to feel like I have a chance.

On April 06 2012 03:23 tomatriedes wrote:

I don't think you know what politically correct means.


I do know what politically correct means, and apparently you don't. Talking about the game as if it all up to the player to improve and that there cannot be or isn't any underlying balance issue at stake is the epitome of politically correct language. It is entirely non-commital and intend to be unoffensive, but doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Sheppy
Profile Joined January 2012
Scotland2 Posts
April 05 2012 18:52 GMT
#459
I do know what politically correct means, and apparently you don't. Talking about the game as if it all up to the player to improve and that there cannot be or isn't any underlying balance issue at stake is the epitome of politically correct language. It is entirely non-commital and intend to be unoffensive, but doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Made me lol, so much hyperbole, so much wrong.
slapslap
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
April 05 2012 19:04 GMT
#460
and i thought the snipe nerf(on non psionics) would even out the TvZ imba,
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