EPTEdit: By doing very well I mean having high win rates in all match ups, not winning tournaments.
TLPD winrates February 2012 - Page 23
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Applesqt
United States206 Posts
Edit: By doing very well I mean having high win rates in all match ups, not winning tournaments. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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arfyron
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On April 06 2012 00:02 arfyron wrote: Zerg is the weakest race yet again. What a surprise. Don't know which graph you are watching, zerg isn't the weakest in international or Korean Or are you looking at February graph? | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
On April 06 2012 00:02 arfyron wrote: Zerg is the weakest race yet again. What a surprise. Zerg is improving internationally in all matchups, beating both terran and protoss so I don't know what you could be complaining about. But admittedly zerg is looking fairly bad in Korea vs protoss, however in contrast is looking good vs Terran (Proabably due to the ghost patch this month). But I'm putting that down to the small sample size of games being played in korea compared to the amount of matches internationally and coupled with the fact that in GSL you have ample time to prepare beforehand for a specific matchup. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote: Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me. The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:54 Noocta wrote: I guess the Ghost patch did his effect. :/ These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international. http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV Blizzard should let the game be for awhile. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:51 Peleus wrote: As a Zerg, I prefer to argue that we need a buff due to the Korean statistics. Seriously though, it just goes its hard to even define balance let alone measure it reliably. International says balanced, Korea says otherwise. It's nice to see the international as balanced as it ever has been though. A Hydra buff would be good. So they are actually used. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote: These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international. http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV Blizzard should let the game be for awhile. I'm talking about TvZ. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
Whoops! My bad :3. PvT balance discussion is all the rage these days. Also for some reason I forgot about the snipe nerf which I agree hurt Terran  . | ||
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:24 Piledriver wrote: The fact that you're in master league pretty much makes your "data" irrelevant. The game is not balanced for master league or diamond league scrubs. Anywhere below MLG or GSL level, the problem is with you, not with the game and the way to win vs a player of a different race is by improving yourself - not changing the game. Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone. Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:25 DrowSwordsman wrote: These are a month old, in the latest Terran beats Protoss handily both Korea-only and international. http://imgur.com/a/XmBDV Blizzard should let the game be for awhile. The Korea graph is just a duplicate of the international one. It even says international at the bottom. <.< Would like to see the actual Korean stats. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 06 2012 03:05 Horseballs wrote: Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone. Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me. I'm struggling as Protoss against T and Z it's in my best interest to get this balanced for my gold league problems so which one of us is correct? | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On April 06 2012 03:05 Horseballs wrote: Except there is precedent of blizzard balancing for lower leauges like mine. It is in my best interest to complain and bitch to try to get something done. If not, then it is also blizzard's loss in a customer and tournament watcher. And I don't think I'm alone. Blah blah blah highest levels. I am past that at this point. I have no interest in playing starcraft if it isn't fun, and no interest in watching it if I am not playing it. At this point one of the three matchups is almost entirely unplayable and unfun for me. And if they balance around low levels, then the game won't be balanced at all at the top levels, and instead of losing you and maybe a couple other customers, they will lose the entire pro scene. Can you see how it is logically better to keep the pro scene and balance around that, and allow the low league players to get better at the game to have it be more balanced? | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On April 06 2012 03:13 Yonnua wrote: The Korea graph is just a duplicate of the international one. It even says international at the bottom. <.< Would like to see the actual Korean stats. Here is the korean one: http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQ.png As a terran it makes me sad, since TvP is already very hard (macro terran), and when I see these stats, we can expect another nerf... | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:50 Horseballs wrote: Can you substantiate that claim? I've got a year of data and replays to look at, you are just blindly spouting your politically correct language at me. I don't think you know what politically correct means. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 06 2012 03:19 Snowbear wrote: Here is the korean one: http://i.imgur.com/VCQcQ.png As a terran it makes me sad, since TvP is already very hard (macro terran), and when I see these stats, we can expect another nerf... wow that was a huge jump tvp win rate jesus and zvt for the first time since august of 2011 is favoring zerg. Always love looking at the stats and kinda funny how it swapped around from february to march  . | ||
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On April 06 2012 03:16 Denzil wrote: I'm struggling as Protoss against T and Z it's in my best interest to get this balanced for my gold league problems so which one of us is correct? Of course it is in your best interest to get it balanced around your best problems, how could you argue otherwise? The real question is whether or not there is a general trend throughout the playerbase echoing your problems or if you are just bad at those matchups. If it is the former, then Blizzard may act on it. If it is the latter, then Blizzard wont act on it and shouldn't act on it. On April 06 2012 03:18 hunts wrote: And if they balance around low levels, then the game won't be balanced at all at the top levels, and instead of losing you and maybe a couple other customers, they will lose the entire pro scene. Can you see how it is logically better to keep the pro scene and balance around that, and allow the low league players to get better at the game to have it be more balanced? The pro scene is propped up by interested players and watchers. The pro scene depends on your average player being happy, and if more and more people are leaving the game for whatever reason that is bad for the pro scene. The tip-top levels of Broodwar were pretty competitive and generally considered balanced, and yet it never took off in the west and hardly had any playerbase because of the difficulty in competing for your average gamer. And in the end, I don't care about the pro scene when I am not having fun. I don't want to win all of the time, I just want to feel like I have a chance. On April 06 2012 03:23 tomatriedes wrote: I don't think you know what politically correct means. I do know what politically correct means, and apparently you don't. Talking about the game as if it all up to the player to improve and that there cannot be or isn't any underlying balance issue at stake is the epitome of politically correct language. It is entirely non-commital and intend to be unoffensive, but doesn't really add anything to the discussion. | ||
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Sheppy
Scotland2 Posts
I do know what politically correct means, and apparently you don't. Talking about the game as if it all up to the player to improve and that there cannot be or isn't any underlying balance issue at stake is the epitome of politically correct language. It is entirely non-commital and intend to be unoffensive, but doesn't really add anything to the discussion. Made me lol, so much hyperbole, so much wrong. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
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