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LoB your message has changed a tad from post to post, lets all agree to disagree and hype IPL 4. We all love esports we probably get each others opinions by now 
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On February 28 2012 10:57 The_Stampede wrote:
lol....keep bashing MLG dumb asses. Too many derp people
User was warned for this post
Hey bro we are all on the same team. What you may construe as bashing is contructive criticism so they make money and grow sport we love doing it. If 50% (it was more) are unhappy about what MLG is doing or what their product deliverers it's bad for sport.
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All Korean Terrans... I predict a TvT finals incoming T-T
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It probably has I am tired and I have no clue what point I was trying to make 4 hours ago :D
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On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:43 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world. You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. Your opinion is that one product is better than the other, when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product. Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model. You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different. You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more. How is that hard to understand
You still don't understand. The differences in economic models mean nothing because they are both offering the same thing, to the same audience, regardless of monthly or PPV. There is no different outlay. There are no exclusive rights to players, or casters. They're direct competitors, and one is offering a much better value per dollar. That's all that matters.
Whether IPL4 has taken place or not is also irrelevant - given what they did for IPL3, there's no reason to suspect that they won't deliver what they offered, a month from now.
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On February 28 2012 11:13 synaptik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 10:43 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world. You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. Your opinion is that one product is better than the other, when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product. Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model. You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different. You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more. How is that hard to understand You still don't understand. The differences in economic models mean nothing because they are both offering the same thing, to the same audience, regardless of monthly or PPV. There is no different outlay. There are no exclusive rights to players, or casters. They're direct competitors, and one is offering a much better value per dollar. That's all that matters. Whether IPL4 has taken place or not is also irrelevant - given what they did for IPL3, there's no reason to suspect that they won't deliver what they offered, a month from now.
I don't care anymore, I am going to sleep.
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On February 28 2012 11:11 Chriscras wrote:
All Korean Terrans... I predict a TvT finals incoming T-T
As long as it's not another ZvZ finals. Watching Lucky get outplayed was relatively anticlimactic for such a great weekend.
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This is the way to go, I will definitely shell out $5 for this.
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you guys are AWESOME, long live IPL!!!
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5 BUCKS. FUCK YES! This is how you do it!!!
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On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:
Your opinion is that one product is better than the other,
No he is saying that two equal products do not get valued because of the financial situation of their developers but what people think is a good price to pay
On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:
when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product.
They are 100% comparable. Its the same product.
On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:
Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model.
So what if they were the first. They put a price that many didnt feel like it was worth paying for the product they were offering. Is the demand high enough to warrant such a huge increase in cost for the same service as you get on many other events (supply)?
On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:
You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different.
Ofcourse you can. If both sell the same bread for different price the people will buy the lowest one. It doesnt matter if its at the supermarket at your local bakery.
On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:
You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more.
How is that hard to understand
He has never in his posts said that one is better then the others. He have only explained to you how supply and demand and economics works in this world.
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On February 28 2012 11:19 LoB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:13 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 10:43 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world. You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. Your opinion is that one product is better than the other, when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product. Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model. You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different. You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more. How is that hard to understand You still don't understand. The differences in economic models mean nothing because they are both offering the same thing, to the same audience, regardless of monthly or PPV. There is no different outlay. There are no exclusive rights to players, or casters. They're direct competitors, and one is offering a much better value per dollar. That's all that matters. Whether IPL4 has taken place or not is also irrelevant - given what they did for IPL3, there's no reason to suspect that they won't deliver what they offered, a month from now. I don't care anymore, I am going to sleep.
lol...rage quit
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Wow love these groups, impossible to pick winners
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This may be the first $ I shell out - outside of the GSL. $5 a month is pretty good considering how much content IPL produces.
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On February 28 2012 11:48 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:19 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 11:13 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 10:57 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 10:43 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world. You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. Your opinion is that one product is better than the other, when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product. Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model. You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different. You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more. How is that hard to understand You still don't understand. The differences in economic models mean nothing because they are both offering the same thing, to the same audience, regardless of monthly or PPV. There is no different outlay. There are no exclusive rights to players, or casters. They're direct competitors, and one is offering a much better value per dollar. That's all that matters. Whether IPL4 has taken place or not is also irrelevant - given what they did for IPL3, there's no reason to suspect that they won't deliver what they offered, a month from now. I don't care anymore, I am going to sleep. lol...rage quit
Ending a pointless and unwinnable argument is a ragequit? I'm pretty sure that called being smart.
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This really looks like a perfect business model and i really hope it pays off. I would buy the premium package, but i my internet can't really do more then 360 without running into serious lag. At any rate, best of luck IPL! can't wait to see how esports develop from here.
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if GSTL finals @ IPL4 comes true, then the open bracket would be so stacked b/c the koreans that play in the GSTL finals would surely participate in the IPL open bracket too
though the current GSL schedule shows the GSTL finals are weeks after IPL4, however gom can easily change the schedule. If I counted correctly there are only 8 team matches to be played (not including final match). And if they do 2 matches per week, like usual (not including this week since its GSL finals), it would actually line up fine with IPL4.
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What the fuck? All these great matches to come at high quality only at $5? How are they doing this... Where is the money tree they're farming from...
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This the sort of system I like. I will pay $5.
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I really hope they're profiting enough from this to continue doing these. $5 is dirt cheap and most people will just settle for the low quality even still. I can't even use an HD stream in my college dorm so it's not even something I'd consider.
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