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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:13 epicdemic wrote: I have a question. What do the invites (currently Nestea, MC, MMA) have to accomplish to be invited? Or are these just "what the people want"? I'd rather see all players go through qualifiers and have the truly best compete against eachother than have people in a tournament that don't truly deserve to be in it. GSL champion GSL champion GSL champion ?? | ||
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
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RUS RO DAH!!!
United States277 Posts
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:13 epicdemic wrote: I have a question. What do the invites (currently Nestea, MC, MMA) have to accomplish to be invited? Or are these just "what the people want"? I'd rather see all players go through qualifiers and have the truly best compete against eachother than have people in a tournament that don't truly deserve to be in it. you mean like some of the players that went through the MLG NA qualifiers? If being past GSL, HSC, MLG champions don't qualify you, I don't know what will... | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:48 Whatson wrote: $5 per month for 1080 HD and all IPL content? Where do I pay? IPL showing MLG how to do it. IPL showing MLG how to not make a profit. Seriously though why are people comparing a PPV event, one that costs much more money than IPL does, to IPL? Do people think these events are run for no money or something? | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
On February 28 2012 09:48 LoB wrote: Right i'll explain to orracle and tdt this last time. PPV model has been done once, their is no supply and demand data on what the ideal price point is for maximum coverage to the most consumers. We know what the freemium data is and we know based on e-sports as a whole the gerneralized demographic. So there is no supply & demand for PPV yet v(my point). MLG did a straight up PPV model, IPL is doing a subscription-based model. There is no comparison between companies or strategy and as Shadz said to bad mouth one over the other is immature and so is making up false figures to argue with, which is why I said what I said. There is supply for PPV. The MLG Arena was PPV. I would consider GSL to be PPV aswell because the free stream is very low quailty, good enough for some people but not watching consistently, and the fact that it is on korean time. MLG Pro Circuit also operates on a subcription basis, the same as the IPL will do. How can you popssibly say there is no comparison between the two? | ||
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Ireniicus
United Kingdom374 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:13 epicdemic wrote: I have a question. What do the invites (currently Nestea, MC, MMA) have to accomplish to be invited? Or are these just "what the people want"? I'd rather see all players go through qualifiers and have the truly best compete against eachother than have people in a tournament that don't truly deserve to be in it. You can't possibly be serious by asking that question, or you don't follow the scene closely enough. MMA is arguably the best terran in the world and easily top 5 player in the world atm. MC only won like 12213 tournamanets last year and Nestea has won multiple gsls. these three guys were top 5 earners I believe last year in tournament winnings. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:17 Femari wrote: IPL showing MLG how to not make a profit. Seriously though why are people comparing a PPV event, one that costs much more money than IPL does, to IPL? Do people think these events are run for no money or something? Se events were music CDs you know they'd be pirated beyond all reason. People would rather have something free than pay for it. It's the bad part of the welfare system culture that the west has instilled on its youth. Things just kind of happen for you if you're in the white male world of western esports. As day 9 said, you're not buying it to own it, you're paying for it to support it. User was warned for this post | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:23 Ireniicus wrote: IPL will get my money for 12 months, just like GSL do now..MLG only if they get real with inflated price model and even then I may pause as I canot pay for everything and they annoyed me with the cynical pricing. here here. And they better tighten their ship up a little more. Players looked like they were in a funeral home and casting sucked last go around. I'd gladly pay for good product like I do for GSL and maybe IPL (although 480 is just fine by me) | ||
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mooseman1710
United States153 Posts
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synaptik
Canada644 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote: You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:26 lorkac wrote: Se events were music CDs you know they'd be pirated beyond all reason. People would rather have something free than pay for it. It's the bad part of the welfare system culture that the west has instilled on its youth. Things just kind of happen for you if you're in the white male world of western esports. As day 9 said, you're not buying it to own it, you're paying for it to support it. Please. Places that have no welfare I can buy ripped anything a many a street corner vendor hardly any kids buy software or music in China. My dad is from middle east and all my cousins living there pay for nothing and think nothing of it. copyright violations arent even a cultural taboo and they jack your shit up and maybe mame you if you steal a candybar. If anything the west is foisting these idea like DRM on the rest of the unwilling world. Second day 9 is wrong. Speaking of entitlement. Business isn't a charity. You buy something because it's good and that in and of itself helps grow the sport. Leave noble causes like charity for people who actually need it, not manhatten high rises. | ||
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kingtut
United States359 Posts
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LoB
United Kingdom32 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:43 synaptik wrote: IPL and MLG are compared because they are both competing in the same industry and offering similar products. yes, there are economical reasons why one is more expensive than the other - i even noted so in my post, which you clearly couldn't comprehend. the problem is that a consumer does not, and should not, care about their financial backing, only who provides the better value. as per your own example - if a supermarket is making bread cheaper and better than the local bakery - guess what? the bakery is going out of business. and of course my numbers are speculative; none of these companies are public and as such they dont disclose anything. to say that i fail to grasp the principles of economics is a sign of both your arrogance and ignorance, since i do financial analysis and value companies for a living. i'm quite unsure of what you're trying to piece together with words here. supply and demand applies ppv as it does to everything else. Your opinion is that one product is better than the other, when I am saying they are not comparable due to diifferent economic models not because I prefer one over the other or one offers a better product. Supply and demand for subscription models are out there but MLG was the first to do a PPV model. You cannot compare the supermarket price to the local bakery price (like in this thread) because there outlay is completely different. You can compare the product all you want. The point was people were typing "hey mlg take notes" and my point was that you cant compare the two especially since the IPL 4 hasn't even happened. So saying one costs less than the other doesn't make it better than the product that cost more. How is that hard to understand | ||
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Vash_SC2
United States122 Posts
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Bart
494 Posts
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:54 kingtut wrote: people have seemed to forgot idra beat bomber at mlg orlando.. and not just idra fell off since then but so did bomber Hopefully Bomber doesn't do stupid no-gas mass-marine stuff this time. | ||
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