On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
On February 27 2012 16:47 MCDayC wrote: I've never understood the Major hype, he hasn't had a single measurable success since he got past open bracket in Columbus. Either way, good luck to him.
x2. Right now I have no reason to rate him higher than Kas(even if he have lower APM lol).
I'd rate Kas higher, what does APM do if you don't use all you have. Kas results are better online and even offline. Weird you would even compare the 2. Because i have seen nothing of MajOr that the big fuss is all about, to be even be able to compare those two.
Keep in mind Kas competes in way more tournaments then Major does so obviously he will have more results.
On February 27 2012 15:56 mastergriggy wrote: I'm surprised that anyone picked him up after the last incident with the attitude he has. I don't mean to be mean, but I just can't support a player like that.
"This is a video game, not a beauty pageant"
Juan is arguably the best raw mechanics of any foreign Terran by far and has the closest real mindset to Korean Terrans as any foreigner can get, plus he was almost on eStro in sc1 for his sick dedication and work ethic. He treats Koreans with extremely high respect, because they're not the god awful foreigners.
Anyone who is surprised that people care about skill more than manner is silly. Every team should want a player like Juan, even if they don't agree with the things he has done, they should want to work towards helping him better himself as a person, while he can better them as a player for their roster.
Rofl. I'm sorry, but can we think before we start talking shit. How long have you been in Korea now, guy? You're not even a blip on the radar of any scene so you're the last person entitled to call anyone a god awful foreigner.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
yes. juan gets a bad rap because there are so many tools in the community that believe anything they are told. everyone lambasted coach lee because a couple really influential people dont happen to like him. it doesn't definitively mean they are bad people. people need to grow up and search out the facts for themselves before defaming people. it's childish and does nothing to help our community.
juan is one of the hardest working foreigners i have ever seen and he is without a doubt the best foreign terran in the world if you ask me.
just waiting for him to win a tournament... any day now.
I think demuslim has him beat, at least he shows results by ya know... beating nestea
it's not the case that juan isn't capable of winning tournaments. it's the case of him not being forced to attend every tournament because he does not have sponsor obligations like demuslim. they're both great but in terms of talent i do believe that juan is leagues ahead.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
I dont see anything that says x6 is going back on their word. They were supporting him in Korea and then bringing him back so they could actually get value out of him at NA tournaments most likely. People need to realize, if teams send you over to Korea, you better be damn good and give your team some good value. You cant just expect to stay there forever and not put up results.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
kas earning money, can't hate on that.
also stephano is proof that you don't need to be in korea to be one of the best there is.
On February 27 2012 17:50 Terminal wrote: Why does any team even want him anymore.
Because they are desperate and will overlook stuff that more established teams cannot afford to ignore.
Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
There are more foreigners who made grandmaster on ladder, but that's not really the big achievement now is it ? It's nice and all but will this get you a team ? or sponsors ? And saying work ethic ... there are plenty of foreigners who have work ethic not even to mention koreans. Your selling other foreign players short with that. He's not a risky investment, he's a liability and the problem is it's proven, had he shown results you would be right some things can be overlooked and he just might be worth the investment, to bad for him he has non and all the time something pops up here about MajOr, he either changes his name, team or he tried to enter a tournement by illegal means.
You honestly can't blame people for flaming him dude, he has never given us antything but bad stuff.
you have to place yourself in his shoes. if a team promises him korea, then he will sign. when they go back on their word, juan leaves and eats all the flak from the community. nobody pays attention to the details other than reading a thread title and throwing their jabs in. it's pathetic.
I dont see anything that says x6 is going back on their word. They were supporting him in Korea and then bringing him back so they could actually get value out of him at NA tournaments most likely. People need to realize, if teams send you over to Korea, you better be damn good and give your team some good value. You cant just expect to stay there forever and not put up results.
i wasn't talking specifically about x6, it was more directed toward sixjax. however they should know that juans number one concern is remaining in korea and those are the terms to keep him happy.
On February 27 2012 17:59 Ruscour wrote: Or because he's one of the only foreigners to ever make Korean grandmaster, and one of the only foreigners that actually has the work ethic to be able to compete at that level. He's a risky investment, but I don't get why he's getting this much hate. He found a new team, and x6 weren't that supportive of him staying in Korea, yet people are treating this like he ragequit sixjax or something.
Grow up, people. The judgments you have formulated in your mind are not applicable to reality.
So? Did he win anything? Did he show any results? No he didn't. You should grow out of your blind fanboyism (a sickness many people in here have, not only for Major but for other players aswell). Up to today, Major hasn't had a single success. The only time we hear from him is when he changes his teams like underpants. Nothing else. Where is the value in a player like that?
juan has a completely different mindset than kas. juan only cares about getting to korea and playing with the best players in the world. kas is completely content with playing the same five opponents every online cup.
but if major cant get to Korea and win a lot of stuff, at the end of the day, who will be more satisfied?
he did get to korea and he's there right now. juan wants to play against the best players and he knows that korea is the place to be. kas stays at home and plays online cups every weekend but somehow that translates to him being a better player in some peoples minds.
And just being in Korea immediately translates into them being the better player? No. Kas has more to show for being the better player. Just because Princess is in Korea means absolutely nothing.
being in korea is the best way to improve. juan shows a drive to improve his game and train with the best players in the world while kas stagnates in online tournaments.
Yet he is still better than Major...
and what constitutes him being better?
kas earning money, can't hate on that.
also stephano is proof that you don't need to be in korea to be one of the best there is.
for the record i do not dislike kas, but i respect that juan's priority is to play with the best players in the world in the mecca of esports.
stephano is an aberration, i don't think there really is an explanation for him being as good as he is. he's scary good, but i am disappointed that he does not have any interest in playing GSL.
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