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FakePseudo
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium716 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 17:04:33
February 18 2012 17:03 GMT
#21
Third party software is of course accepted...Up to now, what blizzard forbade was to bind two or more keys (or actions) to one and only (like pressing s to build supply instead of b s). So the question is: do you think clicking multiple times (spamming clicks) should be considered as multiple different actions or just one? Now im surprised nobody got caught with the scroll wheel trick cuz normally blizzard sees it when one action is done to regularly, to fast or at mathematically equal time and thats how they catch other types of macros.
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naut1c
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria100 Posts
February 18 2012 17:06 GMT
#22
On February 19 2012 01:34 Pusekatten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 00:56 naut1c wrote:
blizzard should develop a maximum frequency that is as high as a human beeing can possibly click (=lower than mousewheel)

I wont say its a bad idea, but its not optimal.
The way I would view this would be something like the snipe nerf blizzard announced, making it 25+25 vs Psionic instead of something like 50-25 vs Massive like qxc said on SoTG. Or like SOPA, the idea and intent behind it is good, but its far from optimal.

Edit: typo


what? infested terrans / snipes, are not to supposed to be spammed as with this trick/mwheel-trick. using this trick changes the actual balance of the game... it has been figured out, but it has to be stopped. nobody will notice any change, if there was just a frequence limitation... you could still 1. shift+move, 2. shift+many-click spamm infested terrrans, but you cannot do it immediately
Northern_iight
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada363 Posts
February 18 2012 17:17 GMT
#23
did blizzard ban macro keys when it first came out? No. People started to abuse them and it showed to be very unfair to players that weren't using them. Then they banned it.

This will probably go down the same route. I'm sure blizzard to do what somebody mentioned earlier. Cap the APM to what the human can click fastest. Or just not allow right/left mouse clicks to be bind anywhere else. E-sports is still young and is ever changing. New things will pop up often and it will be fixed. This was obviously not meant to be in SC2 when the developers made this game.
Buzerio
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom135 Posts
February 18 2012 18:04 GMT
#24
On February 19 2012 02:03 FakePseudo wrote:
Third party software is of course accepted...Up to now, what blizzard forbade was to bind two or more keys (or actions) to one and only (like pressing s to build supply instead of b s). So the question is: do you think clicking multiple times (spamming clicks) should be considered as multiple different actions or just one? Now im surprised nobody got caught with the scroll wheel trick cuz normally blizzard sees it when one action is done to regularly, to fast or at mathematically equal time and thats how they catch other types of macros.


but this isnt a macro, this is a switch of a button on the keyboard and turning the refresh rate up to the max
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 18 2012 18:10 GMT
#25
Mind blown. Seriously, an even faster way? Lol at the force field spams :o
This is surely gonna get patched, or banned from tournaments, but it's really funny nonetheless
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 18 2012 18:26 GMT
#26
well switching keys is allowed and it seems blizzard left this in on purpose (that there is no delay on holding a key), I think that was done to optimize the player control. holding stop pressed,while targetfireing. So i don't think it should be removed as it really helps to not clump your units. (well we are still far away from using everything sc2 allows us to do microwise)
But this doesn't apply to the mouse keys (never tested it though ^^;; ). So you could argue that rebinding the left click to the keyboard is not itended, as it changes the function and can't be done ingame.

Turning off things that windows or drivers do is okay for me, but adding things with windows/drivers etc shouldn't be done as it messes up the balancing of the game.
If the keypressing would be removed because of this new "lets rebind keys outside of the game", how am i supposed to focus fire with my magic boxed vikings and marines D: using the micro mechanics of sc2 is the only thing that keeps me in master, though its annoying to get flamed because my macro is so bad and yet i still win since my race is so op. (playing all three races). But i guess its just an addition in their user agreement to prevent that without changing their system.
So lets see how this affects the balance and then worry about what blizzard will do haha. Not that many people really abuse stop focus fire except from a few zergies against thors.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 18 2012 18:43 GMT
#27
its funny that two crazy methods for clicking really fast popped up in such a small period of time, although i guess the first one inspired some experimentation and such.

neat trick.
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gwixter
Profile Joined January 2011
Slovakia336 Posts
February 18 2012 18:45 GMT
#28
On February 19 2012 03:04 Buzerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 02:03 FakePseudo wrote:
Third party software is of course accepted...Up to now, what blizzard forbade was to bind two or more keys (or actions) to one and only (like pressing s to build supply instead of b s). So the question is: do you think clicking multiple times (spamming clicks) should be considered as multiple different actions or just one? Now im surprised nobody got caught with the scroll wheel trick cuz normally blizzard sees it when one action is done to regularly, to fast or at mathematically equal time and thats how they catch other types of macros.


but this isnt a macro, this is a switch of a button on the keyboard and turning the refresh rate up to the max

If I understand it correctly you are holding key down for this to happen. Then I actually believe it is macro.
Because on one action (Key down) you are doing mouse click, which is two actions - mouse button down + mouse button up .... so yes it is macro

If you would have to press key repeatedly, then it would be 1 to 1 rebind and it would be ok, I guess.
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
February 18 2012 18:47 GMT
#29
cool trick

but all of this crap should be banned from tournaments
Buzerio
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom135 Posts
February 18 2012 18:48 GMT
#30
On February 19 2012 03:47 ToguRo wrote:
cool trick

but all of this crap should be banned from tournaments


and ladder IMO
Z-R0E
Profile Joined April 2009
United States147 Posts
February 18 2012 19:17 GMT
#31
I'm a bit surprised at some of the comments in here, a lot of this I thought would be common knowledge.

A 1:1 key rebind, even to a mouse click, is not a macro. Period. That doesn't instantly makes this okay, it just means that it is not a macro by definition.

In the context of what's allowed and what's not, drivers are not 3rd party programs. Many headsets/keyboards/mice would not function without drivers, so of course they're allowed. Even at MLG "All Players must submit their mouse, keyboard, and headset driver requirements [prior to the event]."

In terms of ladder play, this is not against the rules (if done through mouse drivers), period. It could very well be argued "unethical", but it won't get you banned (much like stream-cheating).

As far as tournament play, I believe this would already fall under MLG's rule "Players may not alter game files or modify drivers."
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yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
February 18 2012 19:33 GMT
#32
It's kinda funny that there are spells that benefit so much from aimlessly holding down buttons and stuff like that.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
February 18 2012 19:41 GMT
#33
mouse drivers are allowed b/c you have to have those to set up your dpi....but to set up any macro keys/buttons...that's not legal
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 18 2012 19:45 GMT
#34
Good luck convincing a tournament admin to let you do this.
Berailfor
Profile Joined January 2012
441 Posts
February 18 2012 19:46 GMT
#35
I did in fact see in Catz recent nasl game him using the infested Terran trick. The casters were confused and assumed it was a shift command but you could tell it wasn't because he had no previous vision of the terrans tank setup (which was in an odd line lining a cliff). And spammed IT's so fast over all of them. I'm not sure if it's legal or not but he definitely did it no doubt. I dunno my opinions on whether or not it should be allowed. Seems to me it is substituting for how fast it'd normally take to click that speed. So IMO maybe it should be illegal reason being it is allowing something that takes much more clicking and screen time to happen in a lot shorter time (and more effectively because of how they are all virtually instantaneous)
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
February 18 2012 19:51 GMT
#36
how did you make a ~5 minute long video of this o_O Shorter is better.

anyways that infested terran use was pretty rofl fast
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RooStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
United States58 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 19:55:41
February 18 2012 19:55 GMT
#37
On February 19 2012 00:56 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 00:41 ManofWax wrote:
On February 18 2012 23:41 Buzerio wrote:
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?


its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.


Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal

Mouse driver is legal for sure.
Deathadder for example doesn't have a on-the-fly DPI changer, you need the driver to change it.


There are no reasons to use the driver software to change any settings for Starcraft, Blizzard has every setting that is needed in their menus. You do not need to change DPI out of game for your mouse speed to be high.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
February 18 2012 19:57 GMT
#38
On February 19 2012 04:55 RooStaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 00:56 ETisME wrote:
On February 19 2012 00:41 ManofWax wrote:
On February 18 2012 23:41 Buzerio wrote:
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?


its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.


Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal

Mouse driver is legal for sure.
Deathadder for example doesn't have a on-the-fly DPI changer, you need the driver to change it.


There are no reasons to use the driver software to change any settings for Starcraft, Blizzard has every setting that is needed in their menus. You do not need to change DPI out of game for your mouse speed to be high.


1.) You're not changing settings for starcraft, you're changing settings for your mouse, thats different.
2.) No they don't have every setting that is needed, for instance, rebinding left click (most good games have this).
3.) You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about with the DPI situation. Changing your mouse speed in game isn't exactly the same as changing the dpi in the drivers for a death adder.
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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 20:08:38
February 18 2012 20:07 GMT
#39
I just tested it out, and it is a macro, not just a simple rebinding.

Steps for a Razer keyboard:

1. Create a macro with the steps
- Left-click down
- Left-click up
2. Assign the macro to a key
3. Set playback option for the key to be "Play while assigned key is pressed."

Unless there's another way to make holding down the left mouse button (or it's equivalent) click repeatedly, this is a macro that replays the keystrokes repeatedly. Isn't that already illegal, but Blizzard's rules? This isn't just a "rebinding." If you do a simple rebinding to something other than say, the scroll wheel, the effect should be exactly the same as it used to be, with no benefits.
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
February 18 2012 20:09 GMT
#40
Binding the left mouse click to a keyboard button is basically the same as changing the hotkey of a spell from O to A.
There are people that use no mouse whatsoever in order to utilize their computers, using only keyboard commands.

Limiting the speed of using certain spells (like infested terrans or snipe) by arbitrarily making it harder to click it fast is bad gamedesign anyways.
Why should there be certain buttons that are allowed to be pressed fast in succession (holding down a keyboard button) while other buttons arent allowed that function? (mouse buttons)

Either you disallow both keyboard AND mouse buttons to be pressed fast in succession, or you allow both of them, anything else is just ridiculous.
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