I tried binding left click to a button on my keyboard, when holding shift this is kind of like the mouse wheel trick, except this way its much faster.
I made a video of me demonstrating.
if you excuse my horrible voice and the hong kong city streets theme from Deus Ex in the background (someone will reinstall it) you can see this in action.
I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on this, if nothing else It can be used with shift moving drones etc to get a better APM, but I think its more usefull than just that.
edit: this is the same as the mouse scroll trick (which was talked about in SoTG) just this is much faster and just needs to hold down a button, its the same thing just with F3 instead of the mouse wheel, so its technically legal (I think, I know you are allowed to install drivers, and I think 1 to 1 button changes are allowed), but I dont think it should be.
How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote: How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?
its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.
That is pretty funny. See Blizzard, that happens if you don't build in a delay for holding down a button. But good job revealing it. Binding left/right-click to an actualy keyboard button is pretty legit imo. The problem here resides within the engine blizz use to captcher and translate keystrokes.
"My drivers let me do it so I should be able to cut corners that Blizzard obviously never intended for me to cut" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard about this whole "rebinding left click" business. The community is always bitching about how easy SC2 is and how micro is lacking in the game, but then shit like this pops up and the community supports it. If SC2 doesn't have a "Rebind ____" option in the hotkeys menu, then it shouldn't be allowed to be rebound. That simple.
I think it will be illegal in tournaments, because you have to use a third party software to make it work (your mouse driver). If you can make it happen without drivers and only with standard windows control panel and SC2, it would be a question about ethics.
Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it. You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed". I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you. All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate. Allow makros = bad. Allow 2 Button markos = still bad. Don't allow makros = guud.
On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote: Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it. You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed". I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you. All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate. Allow makros = bad. Allow 2 Button markos = still bad. Don't allow makros = guud.
actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.
someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster
On February 18 2012 23:57 Mauldo wrote: "My drivers let me do it so I should be able to cut corners that Blizzard obviously never intended for me to cut" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard about this whole "rebinding left click" business. The community is always bitching about how easy SC2 is and how micro is lacking in the game, but then shit like this pops up and the community supports it. If SC2 doesn't have a "Rebind ____" option in the hotkeys menu, then it shouldn't be allowed to be rebound. That simple.
I don't think it's that obvious. Droppng infested terrans is an awful chore that often doesnt work right (if you have a group of infestors, half are burrowed, half are not, go ahead, try and do the shift queue move-drop trick).
The fact is the whole system is not good. Its not about "not having micro opportunities", its having to click literally 40-50 times to launch an attack which might barely do anything not making any sense whatsoever. 10 infestors should not take 40 clicks to be effective.
Stephano uses the scroll wheel stuff pretty blatantly.
On February 19 2012 00:00 Pusekatten wrote: I think it will be illegal in tournaments, because you have to use a third party software to make it work (your mouse driver). If you can make it happen without drivers and only with standard windows control panel and SC2, it would be a question about ethics.
Tournaments allow you to use your mouse drivers. They might ban a specific feature, but a mouse driver is no way a third party program.
On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote: Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it. You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed". I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you. All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate. Allow makros = bad. Allow 2 Button markos = still bad. Don't allow makros = guud.
actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.
someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster
No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed.
On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote: Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it. You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed". I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you. All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate. Allow makros = bad. Allow 2 Button markos = still bad. Don't allow makros = guud.
actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.
someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster
No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed.
ok, but I thought 1-1 button changes on drivers were allowed at tournaments? I know your allowed to install drivers.
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote: How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?
its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.
Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote: How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?
its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.
Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal
from the GSL rules when it was announced
- Players must bring their own equipment (Keyboard, Mouse, Mouse Pad, Headset, Mouse Driver) and ID.
so you are allowed drivers, Im not sure if this has changed but it was said that you are allowed to use drivers at tournaments on SoTG and they do have first hand experience. im not 100% sure tho.
btw if anyone is interested the average APM on that video is 1.5k and it peaks at well over 10k.
that's considerably better than Flash's apm, also, I think this should be banned, if it is legal atm, which it isnt really clear either way (and also needs to be stopped on ladder aswell).
The problem is a lot of moder mouse "drivers" are in fact full-fledged configuration programs which permits the user to create macro and rebiding keys...
On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote: How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?
its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.
Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal
Mouse driver is legal for sure. Deathadder for example doesn't have a on-the-fly DPI changer, you need the driver to change it.
On February 19 2012 00:56 naut1c wrote: blizzard should develop a maximum frequency that is as high as a human beeing can possibly click (=lower than mousewheel)
I wont say its a bad idea, but its not optimal. The way I would view this would be something like the snipe nerf blizzard announced, making it 25+25 vs Psionic instead of something like 50-25 vs Massive like qxc said on SoTG. Or like SOPA, the idea and intent behind it is good, but its far from optimal.
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