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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
Mr. Chae answered, though, so I guess making that post is not necessary anymore: Crossfire will be removed from the mappool in the next GSL season. Yay! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0l4oG.png) edit: Because a lot of people have been asking about Dual Sight and Bel'Shir Beach I tweeted at Mr. Chae again, answer came pretty quickly. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rqQVO.png) So apparently no definite decision on if those maps will stay or go. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
WE ARE FREEEEE! | ||
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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covetousrat
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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KingPaddy
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cosine
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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KiNGxXx
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MiCa
United States147 Posts
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
Pumped to see the replacement. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Now if only we could get rid of dual sight and bel'shir... | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Will miss the crosfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire comments from caster a bit tho lol | ||
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HyTriN
Lithuania4 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Glad to see it go. | ||
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + God wills it! | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:22 HyTriN wrote: Please, can you tell me why are you all happy? I'm not a good player, so I don't understand it.. With Mutas being prevalent and strong in ZvP it's very hard/impossible for Toss to beat Zerg in a longer game. You need to be able to turtle on 3 bases to defeat Mutas properly and the bases are very far from each other on Crossfire. | ||
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Dauntless
Norway548 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:26 Dauntless wrote: Nice! Please replace Dual Sight as well! I agree. I don't like that map anymore. Its also atheistically speaking unpleasant in my opinion. Was fun for a while with the crazy shenanigans but now its kind of gotten stale. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:27 Meteora.GB wrote: I agree. I don't like that map anymore. Its also atheistically speaking unpleasant in my opinion. Was fun for a while with the crazy shenanigans but now its kind of gotten stale. Do you think it worships god too much? Hahahaha :D | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
But yeah players didn't like the map and you could see it in the choice of strategies, so removing it will improve the viewer experience. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:22 HyTriN wrote: Please, can you tell me why are you all happy? I'm not a good player, so I don't understand it.. Now Tasteless can stop making the same lame joke a bout this game. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Misoza
Australia571 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:24 dezi wrote: Yes! CF to be removed. Why? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zUcHu5Ah1g + Show Spoiler + God wills it! Until I read your spoiler, I thought they were shouting "DARK WIZARD!" I prefer my first interpretation. | ||
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Korlin
Canada142 Posts
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
It wont be missed, but it can be laid to rest with honours and thanks, rather than buried with hate like Arid Plateau. Fare ye well Crossfire! | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Good to see it go, especially if a better map takes its place. It was an interesting case study of a decent BW map not quite transitioning very well into SC2, and perhaps a lot can be learned from that. | ||
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On February 17 2012 20:06 mrRoflpwn wrote: Why was calm before the storm removed? It was such a huge ass map-I loved it As nothing happened for 20 minutes unless someone proxied something. Enforced 20 minute no rush does not a good map make. | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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bobsire
Canada296 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:24 dezi wrote: Yes! CF to be removed. Why? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zUcHu5Ah1g + Show Spoiler + God wills it! That movie was so cool :D | ||
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Mairou
Finland144 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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Mirosuu
England283 Posts
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Math.random();
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Ruscour
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On February 17 2012 21:20 Mirosuu wrote: Belshir is a zerg heaven with muta-ling. You attack down one path, and then suddenly you have lings in your third or nat. It's just too hard for any toss to actually move out. Walling in areas is also too difficult for the map due to the wide but multiple attack paths into the third. Lots of maps are good muta maps, but the good Protoss players defend them admirably. The stats don't make this map look completely imba, it should still stay. | ||
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
*lights cigar* | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
bye bye Crossfire | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
I'll sort of miss the map. Some of the best games were played on it. Oh well. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:21 MiCa wrote: Steps of War will be the replacement hahahah. steppes of war was better than crossfire, by far. dual sight is bad too but belshir beach is cool, the only beautifull map POWER OF THE SUN ! | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Bel'Shir meh i dont mind that, but seriously dont touch my dual sight T.T /cheer at Crossfire going fucking shit map | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
 Time for change. | ||
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BoxedLunch
United States387 Posts
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Szubie
United Kingdom294 Posts
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On February 17 2012 21:31 Baum wrote: Dualsight while not really being the best map has produced a lot of very fun to watch games and Bel Shir is a good map and it's very hard to play so I think it definitely should not be removed. I mean if you want those maps gone you really want the map pool to consist only of 4 player 3 base turtle maps? I wouldn't mind Dual Sight but Bel Shir should stay. Therre's enough 2p maps that are by far better than Dual SIght or Bel'Shir. It's just a matter of testing them and picking them up. Some examples: - Sanshorn Mist, used in Korean Weekly since forever now, also IPL map - Korhal Compund , obviously ladder map now - Odyssey, One Must Fall, Damage Inc, currently used and tested by NASL - the last top5 of Map of the Month + if you look through the thread you'll see even more good 2p maps as submission for the next month I'd be very happy if Dual Sight and Bel'Shir would finally be removed. Crossfire was also rly obvious. | ||
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Endall
United States66 Posts
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
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Mord
Norway171 Posts
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
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DaemonX
545 Posts
But then, I liked Desert Oasis (post fix), so maybe I'm just weird. | ||
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Mord
Norway171 Posts
On February 17 2012 23:25 DaemonX wrote: Really haven't seen a good reason why this fun map is so terrible. But then, I liked Desert Oasis (post fix), so maybe I'm just weird. It feels faaaar too cramped in general, and some of the pathways feel just terrible. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Thank God! | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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purecarnagge
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
Also, I never liked Crossfire. It always felt a bit stupid to me; the bases were all over the place and taking your third was tough. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On February 17 2012 23:40 Mord wrote: It feels faaaar too cramped in general, and some of the pathways feel just terrible. There's also the backdoor to the main and the ridiculous third for Z. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Two of the best looking maps that offer awesome games? At least Crossfire was somewhat skewed balance wise :/ | ||
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Imalengrat
Australia365 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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gladsheim
Australia676 Posts
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Holy balls, why take so long? | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Brootalbro
Korea (South)105 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On February 18 2012 00:32 TeeTS wrote: Dual Sight is a great and not so bad balanced map. Without these gold bases the map got very stable and delivers constantly interesting matches, would be sad to see it go away .http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1 http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/445_Dual_Sight It is still really not fun to play on as protoss | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
I don't mind BSB too much, because I enjoy having one map which really encourages base trades. It's fun. I think mappers today could implement that idea in a better way, though. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
What has happened to "Terminus" in GSL ? I liked both versions ( 3rd has an blocked entrance and 3rd has no second entrance, but was blocked by debris. It is still played a lot in weekly EU Cups and tournaments. | ||
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kevinmon
United States540 Posts
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Roberi
Sweden347 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On February 18 2012 00:38 gladsheim wrote: dual sights awesome :| It would be if it weren't for PvZ. Even from the zerg perspective, it's really hard to lose on Dual Sight. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
We need to keep DRG-sight.... ...for DRG!! | ||
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Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On February 17 2012 19:22 HyTriN wrote: Please, can you tell me why are you all happy? I'm not a good player, so I don't understand it.. Crossfire, with its narrow routes of travel, strongly favored AoE units like colossi and siege tanks, made forcefields insanely strong, and hindered players from getting concaves (esp bad for zerg). The positioning of the ramp to the main allows a player to FF the ramp immediately upon approaching the natural, giving a zerg no time to react in case a part of his army is up the ramp. | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On February 18 2012 01:32 Blazinghand wrote: <3 thank you MR Chae. I actually like Bel'shir Beach but maybe it is time for some new blood in the GSL map pool. Any map completely broken for PvP should be out imo D:. Korhal Compound feels like a VERY natural replacement to Dual Sight imo. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:07 TBone- wrote: finally, my face cringed whenever i saw that map. Yea I've found myself not watching games on that map due to the feeling that the players are wearing straightjackets. | ||
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Duskbane
United States178 Posts
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dextrin303
Sweden320 Posts
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Berailfor
441 Posts
 Edit: trying to figure out how to use those little race icons.  [P] | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
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Hossinaut
United States453 Posts
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Rybaia
Italy213 Posts
I love the aestetics of the map. But it' actually disgusting regarding balance and gameplay. | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
Would like to see Korhal instead of Dualsight. But I fear they are both equally imbalanced  | ||
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duct_TAPE
492 Posts
On February 17 2012 21:58 Cosmos wrote: steppes of war was better than crossfire, by far. dual sight is bad too but belshir beach is cool, the only beautifull map POWER OF THE SUN !I hope you're kidding, Steppes of War was completely useless, forcing 5-6 min games. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 18 2012 04:01 duct_TAPE wrote: I hope you're kidding, Steppes of War was completely useless, forcing 5-6 min games. It wasn't completely useless, it was just way too small. The actual design of the map wasn't bad, although it might not be popular today because the natural was easily siegable. If the map had been twice as big as it was, it probably would have been the best in the pool along with Metalopolis and Xel'naga Caverns. Conversely, it doesn't matter how large you make Crossfire, the map is bad. I never played on Peaks of Baekdu in BW but if people enjoyed the map there it must have been because it was a different game. Way too many chokes, but at the same time way too many attack paths, but at the same time way too few defendable expansions. At least on Steppes if you somehow made it past the 6 minute mark it was relatively easy to hold 3 bases. | ||
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Vehemus
United States586 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 18 2012 04:20 Vehemus wrote: Remember when Crossfire was first introduced as the premier non-ladder map in the GSL and how happy everyone was about it? Sure do. I love how the standard has been raised and it's now considered a shit map, shows that we're making progress. Hope one day, maybe, just maybe, we can say the same for Daybreak. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 18 2012 04:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Sure do. I love how the standard has been raised and it's now considered a shit map, shows that we're making progress. Hope one day, maybe, just maybe, we can say the same for Daybreak. Are you saying that because you don't think Daybreak is a good map or because you hope the standards get so high that a "good" map might still be the worst map in the pool? | ||
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