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On February 17 2012 15:06 JiYan wrote:
they had razer besides ign. also for those posting the housing costs of living in SF, i believe the team house was in the East Bay.
still very expensive. My brother isn't right in SF either.
NationVoice was also a sponsor
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On February 17 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown. Pretty sure Google and Facebook sponsor fOu.
fOu became FXO actually. I think their sponsor is kinda obvious.
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On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown.
Aren't you supposed to be the insider who knows the scene (especially the management and finances) better than the rest of us? (Since I cannot detect textual sarcasm, I am going to assume that you are being serious here)
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On February 17 2012 10:11 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:08 antilyon wrote:On February 17 2012 09:59 hmunkey wrote:On February 17 2012 09:50 Tek_ wrote:
I hate to say it, but this is a good lesson to all the teams out there trying to establish themselves. To make it in the long run a team has to establish itself not only through talent, but financially. Being over ambitious can be costly as we see here. Good luck to all the players. Should be a good lesson for the teams currently around too. I can't imagine many teams around today are doing even close to well financially. I mean, obviously there's TL, which has a huge fansite, but outside of that I can only really think of EG as financially stable in a meaningful way (maybe coL and Quantic, but I don't know all that much about them to be honest and they don't seem to be nearly as big in the community as far as expanding their brand goes). Then we have for example FXO, which is just a way for a rich guy to waste his money for entertainment (not a real business model), and a lot of poorer teams that aren't really paying meaningful salaries. I fear for the scene. :\ FXO is a way for a rich guy to dump money? Boss always show his concerns about making the team profitable and already cut the costs by a large margin. To be honest, i t's probably the only korean team who really care and for the financial side.
What happend with team Reign is lack of exposure, they had a very little fanbase and never produced any event or something along those lines to bring audience to their sponsors. I can't speak to the FXO comment, but somehow I doubt that's true. But, what I can speak to, is the bolded part. How can you even say that? OGS has been going out and picking up sponsors left and right, so has IM. Steelseries, Mom's touch, Burn energy drink. PRIME team has a freakin' clothing store, man! And you're going to sit there and tell us they don't care about money? And the ultimate caveat to your statement, the ZENEX post ( whether its true or not I don't know) where a team came to an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD asking STRANGERS for money. Everyone cares about money. Everyone.
Many teams in Korea care for their financials. They just aren't aware of how to correctly capitalise on them.
Majority of korean sponsors are product only. And by majority i mean 95%. They do not provide cash upfront. You have been tricked by marketing methods.
I am not going to say I am the messiah of korean e-sports, because its not true. But people who accuse me of being reckless of money are just stupid....
Its easy to hold onto $5000, its hard to hold onto $5 million because every man and his dog is out to take it off you with the e-sports community sometimes being no exception. I get countless emails, some saying "For just 200k, we can run a successful team and organisation that will be profitable for you".. All I can say is I run businesses for a living and am good at it albeit I am a little insane, but I am good at my job. If I haven't profited from e-sports then there is no way some sc2 player with a 200k purse is going to do it. Unless his method is to put that 200k into a bank and earn interest. But then where does that get you? And taxes would eat most interest levels these days.
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On February 17 2012 15:06 JiYan wrote:
they had razer besides ign. also for those posting the housing costs of living in SF, i believe the team house was in the East Bay.
I lived in the east bay as well, sadly didn't get to see their team house before I moved home. Boo for not having a car!
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On February 17 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown. Pretty sure Google and Facebook sponsor fOu.
There is no fOu o_o
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On February 17 2012 15:28 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown. Pretty sure Google and Facebook sponsor fOu. There is no fOu o_o
Technically there is still a clan fOu.
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Clans aren't sponsored for the most part.
I'm pretty sure jmbthirteen's just trolling around with his comment.
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esport-teams will hardly write black numbers since the costs will be always higher then the income. The only way is selling time on streams to commercials, but atm i think the "normal" ppl aren´t interested or do not know export, so no popularity=no TV= no money. It´s sad but maybe time will change and teams will survive, export will survive :D
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axslav just joined and team disbands o_o ...
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very sad and surprising news... I quite enjoyed those reign team house shows too. 
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Good luck to all the players in finding new homes!
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Aww man axlav must be super bumbed out...
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On February 17 2012 15:17 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown. Pretty sure Google and Facebook sponsor fOu. fOu became FXO actually. I think their sponsor is kinda obvious.
On February 17 2012 15:28 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 17 2012 15:07 FXOBoSs wrote:On February 17 2012 15:04 D_K_night wrote:On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.
EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist. Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on). The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3). In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other. So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense. Why don't YOU take your own advice and "take a step back for minute." Everything operates as a business. If your team doesn't pay for itself, how the hell can you possibly expect the Team house to continue supporting its players? Where does that money come from? When you lose your sponsors...and in this case a big one...and there's not enough of the smaller ones to put money on the table...how can the team continue? Look at the names affected. How many of them have won enough tournaments or otherwise generated enough money to justify themselves? Since you're so knowledgeable, how about you enlighten us on how these "underdogs" finance themselves or stay alive to make a difference? If you're starving with no room over your head, you're not gonna be the next NBA player no matter how much you wish otherwise. Someone has to support you, sponsor you, or what not. And when that organization simply doesn't have the funds to, or simply can't...you figure out this, big guy. Zenex, FOU and the rest are all sponsored, and have multiple sponsors too by the way. Quite unlike this team which...who did they have(aside from IGN)? In the end the herd is culled and there will be casualties. It's sad but sometimes hey - in real life you are simply not going to succeed no matter how much you wish otherwise, without being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people, having the right skillset, having the right support, etc. Wait Zenex and fOu are sponsored? Mind = blown. Pretty sure Google and Facebook sponsor fOu. There is no fOu o_o
Guys, it was a joke and a pretty obvious one at that. Quoting FXOBoss, saying facebook and google cause of Boss saying we shouldnt compare esports companies to them and the fact that they are huge companies that if they were sponsoring someone, everyone would know.
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I'm so sad I was starting to love reign since they added Axslav. I hope a major team will pick him up...
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IGN knows how to conquer reigns. Send them to the middle east imo.
Edit: Axslav sure did have a ruinous reign as coach (not 100% sure that is accurate).
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Wow, now I speculate a little more about who Complexity is picking up.
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On February 17 2012 16:13 Flamingo777 wrote:
Wow, now I speculate a little more about who Complexity is picking up.
There was a korean flag behind the Silhouette, and they did emphasize on the LEGENDS part, 2 people on the caliber of NADA. so... sadly it probably wont be anybody from Reign.
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