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On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction.
1. Lag
2. To prevent cheating (someone in the seat beside you)
3. Streamcheating if it's done live. And imagine all the bitching if it wasn't streamed live.
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So I'm guessing Friday and Saturday will be SC2 gameplay only. Then on Sunday whatever they have recorded off the air will fill up 3-4 other streams?
When I see "in addition to a bunch of leading members of the scene"
I think about all the people that will be CASTING the SC2 gameplay. I want interviews constantly throughout the event and not just the short and sweet pre and post match interviews. Also I am not going to pay $20 if are just going to ask each and every player the same set of questions during each interview. Change it up and change up the interviewer early and often. This event will have significant downtime similar to other MLG events and I really really want to see MLG make the most of that downtime now that there will be 5 streams, 4 of which won't have ads and don't need to stay blank during a time when a ad would normally be running.
I like giving the casters time to build up the upcoming match. Since there will be less matches on Sunday I think it would be a great opportunity to establish the caster couch and give the other casters a chance to talk about the players rather than scrambling all over the venue hoping for live streamed interviews. If you would like to have those unused casters create canned content then that is perfectly fine. All the merrier come Columbus!
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Successful business models put the member/customer in the center of everything they do. In my opinion, with SC2 having such a worldwide audience the Winter Arena PPV format will does achieve this however at what cost. Attending my first MLG event last year, the most valuable & attractive element was the interaction with those in the community around me... The impact to my commitment & interest in esports through the real time excitement I was engaged in with fellow fans & leading personalities within the community who were sitting next to me was profound. I felt a part of something which built brand loyalty & fostered my continued excitement to participate in as many future spectator events as possible. I'm sitting here now, in lovely CT (USA) **cough cough**, with a room booked in the city for this weekend, greatly disappointed in the direction of this event. Will I venture down to a Barcraft, most likely yes......
1) Will MLG have an opportunity to receive money from me for this event, no....
2) Will I have an opportunity for seats above the "dugout" watching & routing for my favorite teams & players, no....
3) Will I have the opportunity to purchase a piece of memorabilia reminding my of my attendance/participation in the event, no...
4) Will I sit next to people from Texas, Europe, Asia, & bicker about what strat could have been deployed, no...
5) Will I feel a part of this event, no.....
This event will not increase awareness or participation which is critical to the future of our lovely sport... "winning hearts & minds" & providing an outlet for fans to maximize the spend of their hard earned money in a fun & interactive way within the industry is only win-win. Understanding financial constraints often dictate the decisions & directions of a growing industry/company, offering some sort of vehicle, even if on a limited basis, to answer yes to the above 5 questions will be paramount to the future success. As regional or committed fans we don't feel in the center of this decision....This weekend, in a city of 8+ million, in the City That Never Sleeps, the Big Apple, one of the most famous cities in the world, MLG left a ton on the table. We want spend our money, we want our sport to be successful, but in exchange all we ask for is the ability to answer "Yes" to the above 5 questions.... We want our "sport" to truly be a sport........
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United States123 Posts
Hey guys,
I'm Kyle Magee, one of the guys at MLG responsible for making our Arena Streaming Experience as awesome as possible.
There's been a lot of talk about our plans to try a PPV model for this first Arena, and I'm not here to talk about that any further. Frankly, I think everyone is sick of discussing it. Whether you are happy with it, unhappy with it, or just wish everyone would shut up about it, that discussion is for another time.
I'm here today for three reasons:
1. To get your feedback on our new premium streaming experience page. We set out with a goal of building an experience that would rival anything you'd use to watch a live stream online. We're not there yet, but I think we're off to a good start. This has been my main focus over the past two weeks, and I'm pretty excited to see everyone use it this weekend. I'd love if you could take a few minutes to check it out, and write a quick post in this thread telling me what you like, what you don't like, and what (if any) kind of bugs you experience; feature suggestions are also welcome. While I can't promise we'll address everything before this weekend, this page will be updated throughout the year. This is the same type of experience you can expect during our Championship Events as a Gold Member or someone with an HD pass, so even if you don't plan on watching the Arena this weekend, it's worth your time to help improve the page for the future (I hope).
2. To show off this bad boy. A group of three of us have worked in it for two weeks now and we've been itching to get it out there in front of our fans. Do I hope it helps convince you to buy a PPV pass this weekend? Of course. But what I'm really after right now is some feedback from the very people we designed this type of experience for.
3. To answer any questions you might have about how the page works. I want everyone to understand how to best take advantage of this page before the Event, so you don't have to spend valuable Starcraft watching time figuring out how to really experience all this page has to offer.
Here's a list of known bugs or additions we're attempting to make to the page before the Arena:
- Feedback button removed
- Spoiler-free VOD page setup
- Notification pop-up system
- Fix issues with IE 8
- Remove Buy Now Button from top of page
- 16:10 aspect ratio cuts off right side of screen
- Twitch TV chat embed instead of JTV embed (Nicer aesthetics)
- Double Click to fullscreen instead of single click
- Fix display ad block
Thanks in advance to anyone who provides constructive feedback, and I'm really excited to hear what else we can do to help make this page as awesome as possible. I'll also try to be as active as possible in this thread, answering any questions you might have about how the page works.
Check out the Premium Streaming Experience Page and give me your feedback!
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Hi MLG-Kyle,
i did some testing and the 1-5 keybinds do not work for me. The arrows and WASD work like a charm. I am running on win 7 32 bit (got my patches last night) and i am browsing with google chrome version 17.0.963.56.
Also: if you build this ground up in 2 weeks, you guys did an amazing job.
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So you are making people pay to beta test your new stream features?
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On February 23 2012 04:39 Rabbet wrote:
So you are making people pay to beta test your new stream features?
No they are making people pay to be able to have this arena in the first place, and to actually help players/teams out a lot by flying them in.
People need to realize that this arena would not even exist without the PPV model in the first place.
♥ MLG, purchased my arena pass today (supporting tastosis like a boss), can't wait till friday, should be awesome!
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Canada5565 Posts
I'm excited to see what content the Dr Pepper stream produces. That will be what makes or breaks it, imo (unless there is something very wrong with the tournament broadcasting).
On February 23 2012 04:39 Rabbet wrote:
So you are making people pay to beta test your new stream features?
That's not what they are doing.
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On February 18 2012 07:48 jianming wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction. 1. Lag 2. To prevent cheating (someone in the seat beside you) 3. Streamcheating if it's done live. And imagine all the bitching if it wasn't streamed live.
i would imagine it would be less bitching than the amount that has erupted over the ppv thing :D
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On February 18 2012 07:48 jianming wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction. 1. Lag 2. To prevent cheating (someone in the seat beside you) 3. Streamcheating if it's done live. And imagine all the bitching if it wasn't streamed live.
Lag won't be fixed because of bnet 0.2.
However, I've been curious about this for the longest time. Why couldn't one just incorporate a delayed broadcast, say by 15 minutes, while running the games on protected maps? Would there be any significant downsides to that?
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United States123 Posts
On February 23 2012 04:38 betaV1.25 wrote:
Hi MLG-Kyle,
i did some testing and the 1-5 keybinds do not work for me. The arrows and WASD work like a charm. I am running on win 7 32 bit (got my patches last night) and i am browsing with google chrome version 17.0.963.56.
Also: if you build this ground up in 2 weeks, you guys did an amazing job.
Interesting. I'll see if we can replicate that over here. It might mean that you have to end up using arrow keys or WASD for this Arena though; sorry about that.
Yeah, it has been a crazy two weeks for three of us, including just one developer... That's part of the reason I'm trying to collect as much feedback as possible this week. Thanks for the help.
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On February 23 2012 04:38 betaV1.25 wrote:
Also: if you build this ground up in 2 weeks, you guys did an amazing job.
I wouldn't call it amazing, it's decent but it's kinda a slap in the face when you implement PPV and totally rely on javascript without a alternative. Kinda sloppy, so i call it decent for now.
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Works great for me on Chrome, awesome job!
Although with the demo being the same replay on all screens it is a bit confusing unless you mess with it for a bit.
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@MLG-Kyle: What about support for those of us with 2 (or more) monitors? Just allowing more than one browser window to access the stream will be good enough, but that was blocked for last years HD streams.
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On February 23 2012 04:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 07:48 jianming wrote:On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction. 1. Lag 2. To prevent cheating (someone in the seat beside you) 3. Streamcheating if it's done live. And imagine all the bitching if it wasn't streamed live. Lag won't be fixed because of bnet 0.2. However, I've been curious about this for the longest time. Why couldn't one just incorporate a delayed broadcast, say by 15 minutes, while running the games on protected maps? Would there be any significant downsides to that?
Both players playing on the NA server instead of NA->KR or NA->EU is infinitely better though. There will still be lag and possible DCs as we've seen in the past but you reduce that chance of both when you play on the same server from the same location.
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Really hard to pass up winter arena to voice my concern about PPV when my favourite casters are flown in and my favourite players are also here ............
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where can i find the schedule of the event with times and shit?
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On February 23 2012 04:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 07:48 jianming wrote:On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction. 1. Lag 2. To prevent cheating (someone in the seat beside you) 3. Streamcheating if it's done live. And imagine all the bitching if it wasn't streamed live. Lag won't be fixed because of bnet 0.2. However, I've been curious about this for the longest time. Why couldn't one just incorporate a delayed broadcast, say by 15 minutes, while running the games on protected maps? Would there be any significant downsides to that?
Even at 15 minutes streamcheating could be done. Especially if it was your friend watching it to watch for some crazy weird things. For example remeber that GSL game where Jjakji expanded on Tal'Darim behind the mineral line? Nice long macro game and that base was virtually never scouted.
Also I prefer to watch things live not even 15 minutes delayed; it just feels different. I'm hoping that they bring back the live audiences again though, no live audience combined with PPV; I'm buying a ticket this time, but I will not if they don't bring a live audience and LQ free stream back for next time.
Why did MLG decide against a live audience?
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On February 15 2012 07:51 StarStruck wrote:
Okay, so here's the rundown of the premium cost.
I still don't see why you are spending 80k+ on air travel, hotel rooms, food, etc. when all of this could be done online when there's no fan interaction.
Live matches + no lag for players is worth my 20$.
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