EPTNot the casters, not the korreans, not the high-tech'd streams...but the crowd.
Also they should have changed it's name : it has nothing in common anymore with the old MLG.
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serpix
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Not the casters, not the korreans, not the high-tech'd streams...but the crowd. Also they should have changed it's name : it has nothing in common anymore with the old MLG. | ||
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
No one is forcing you to buy this, but the hate towards it just because you want to save a few more pennies is wrong. I'm not rich, I work paycheck to paycheck and I get buy. If this was every week mlg had a event and it was 20$ a weekend 52 times a year then I would see a problem but its a special thing once every couple months and I can justify 20$ here and there for the amount of footage I will be getting for free. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:22 Twoinches wrote: No one is forcing you to buy this, but the hate towards it just because you want to save a few more pennies is wrong. I'm not rich, I work paycheck to paycheck and I get buy. If this was every week mlg had a event and it was 20$ a weekend 52 times a year then I would see a problem but its a special thing once every couple months and I can justify 20$ here and there for the amount of footage I will be getting for free. I already paid for a years access to HQ streams by buying a gold membership - I feel entitled to get what I paid for. | ||
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riddi
United Kingdom118 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:28 aebriol wrote: I already paid for a years access to HQ streams by buying a gold membership - I feel entitled to get what I paid for. No, you paid for a years access to all the championship events, when you bought gold, you had no idea about the arenas - and you were perfectly happy with it. You didnt complain that there were no arenas, or that there wasnt enough content for your money (else you wouldnt have bought, surely?). So when MLG brings out something new and extra, why should they give it for free to gold league people? I underdstand they mishandled the whole thing and their communication was terrible, but from a business side of things, its a brand new product. If you get a newspaper delivered every sunday, then that newspaper suddenly becomes 7 days a week not just on sundays, you dont automatically get all 7 days for the same price, JUST because you had the Sunday one before. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 16 2012 19:27 Evolution wrote: Is realy simple, if you would rather drink those 20$ buck up, then to be a part of and support MLG. then thats fine. go get your drink. but if you care about this tournament and like to watch it, you should show it by supporting them in the way you can. just becouse there is a lot of free content on the internet dosent meen that we should expect everything for free. MLG is trying to push forward with content and capital for more events and sponsers. i dont get why people are so angry, just dont pay if you dont think its worth it!! but consider what 20$ bucks is compered to what you get! i for one would much rather pay 20$ for one weekend of content then 1 beer in a bar. I shouldn't have to give 20$ becuase of CARING. I should offer to pay 20$ and get a product that is at a fair price on the market. This it's not. | ||
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RGnt
Finland100 Posts
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riddi
United Kingdom118 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:37 RGnt wrote: Not planning to buy this just to vote with my wallet, I would gladly pay 10$ for this service and think it should be the price across the board us who have gold and those who doesn't. But I think they should've made this more subtly and not bash "THIS IS GOING TO BE PPV ONLY!" and also the fact that I already bought my assembly ticket to go check the lesser version of it first time. You have no idea if its a fair price on the market, because you havent seen the product yet... If MLG fuck this up, have a bad event, then its not fair. In my opinion, if MLG make this awesome, no tech difficulties, no downtime, awesome behind the scenes stuff (basically take a page out of HSC's book) and we have great games, everyones happy, its worth my $20. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:28 aebriol wrote: I already paid for a years access to HQ streams by buying a gold membership - I feel entitled to get what I paid for. You got the four circuit events. If the PPV event was never announced there'd be no difference. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6255 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:34 riddi wrote: No, you paid for a years access to all the championship events, when you bought gold, you had no idea about the arenas - and you were perfectly happy with it. You didnt complain that there were no arenas, or that there wasnt enough content for your money (else you wouldnt have bought, surely?). So when MLG brings out something new and extra, why should they give it for free to gold league people? I underdstand they mishandled the whole thing and their communication was terrible, but from a business side of things, its a brand new product. If you get a newspaper delivered every sunday, then that newspaper suddenly becomes 7 days a week not just on sundays, you dont automatically get all 7 days for the same price, JUST because you had the Sunday one before. Because they promised to gold members they could watch every event in the pro circuit in HQ. It doesn't matter if you add a new tournament later to the pro circuit ad then don't give gold members HQ but if you do it that way you shouldn't advertise that you will. | ||
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Mouzone
3937 Posts
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:34 riddi wrote: No, you paid for a years access to all the championship events, when you bought gold, you had no idea about the arenas - and you were perfectly happy with it. You didnt complain that there were no arenas, or that there wasnt enough content for your money (else you wouldnt have bought, surely?). So when MLG brings out something new and extra, why should they give it for free to gold league people? I underdstand they mishandled the whole thing and their communication was terrible, but from a business side of things, its a brand new product. If you get a newspaper delivered every sunday, then that newspaper suddenly becomes 7 days a week not just on sundays, you dont automatically get all 7 days for the same price, JUST because you had the Sunday one before. You can say that shit, but it's been marketed as part of MLG. I am sure they are perfectly able to legally do this, doesn't change the fact that I feel entitled to get what I thought I paid for - and that someone who disappoints me, will not get more money from me. (I bought MLG gold, IGN prime, every GSL, NASL season 1 (but not the others), and I don't mind paying for what I want. I do however think that I should get what I paid for). Also, the analogy would be: - You subscribe to a newspaper and get it 7 days a week. - Suddenly they change it to 6 days a week, and that you have to pay extra to get the sunday paper that's 'weekend special' but really have much of the same type of content. I am sure it's legal. But you get a lot of dissatisfied customers either way. And I paid for access to HQ streams for every MLG event, and this is an MLG event, so I paid for HQ stream access to this. That's how I feel, and you or MLG arguing that this is a 'new' event or something - but still part of MLG, doesn't change my opinion of that. | ||
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Ssoulle
United Kingdom149 Posts
Almost every tournament going these days has a free LQ stream at the very least. So this big PPV tournament is a first in the SC2 community and it isn't going to stick and be successful while other tournaments are "undercutting" it. Especially with big competition on the same weekend. Imagine if a cinema opened where every film is free and they make up the cost with adverts ? It would cause a shit storm because the standard market in cinema is a $10 entry fee. MLG are doing this but the other way around. Although I think making money is a good idea, this decision is too radical and too big of a step for the current outlook. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:42 riddi wrote: You have no idea if its a fair price on the market, because you havent seen the product yet... If MLG fuck this up, have a bad event, then its not fair. In my opinion, if MLG make this awesome, no tech difficulties, no downtime, awesome behind the scenes stuff (basically take a page out of HSC's book) and we have great games, everyones happy, its worth my $20. I've seen the competition. I know what I can get for free (or at least cheaper). If, after watching the VODs in a few weeks I'm somehow blown away I'll consider the price if there is a next time. | ||
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Evolution
Norway13 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:35 ceaRshaf wrote: I shouldn't have to give 20$ becuase of CARING. I should offer to pay 20$ and get a product that is at a fair price on the market. This it's not. what market? no one is doing what MLG is doing! you dont HAVE to give them anything. but you can pay 20$ for 20+houers of top class SC2 if you want to!! i have a jobb, i make some money and im willing to chip in. so that i can see what i love to see. if you dont, then thats fine, just dont tell them its there foult. 20$ is not alot of money if it was 20$ every week, then thats somthing else, but this is a spescial thing. i realy dont think any of the people here on TL would be thrown on the streest if they payed 20$ for this ones every 2-3 mothes. i meen, look at the money you put in to games, hardware, clothes, other sports, hobbys and so on... this is nothing!! 20$ can buy me a beer in a bar in norway or give me 20houers of sc2 content. i choose both  | ||
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Vanishes
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
This is mathematical bullshit. So when you go eat to an "all you can eat" restaurant, its 0 dollar per hamburger, because (theoretically) you can eat an infinity of them? Then you guys should know what to do with your 20 bucks.. Its 20 dollars for 1 WEEKEND of sc2, nothing more, nothing less. A weekend in which you can/probably plan to do other stuff then watching Starcraft 3 days a row all day long. Just please stop saying its 1 dollar per hour, because, at least for 90% of us, its not. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On February 16 2012 21:38 Evolution wrote: what market? no one is doing what MLG is doing! you dont HAVE to give them anything. but you can pay 20$ for 20+houers of top class SC2 if you want to!! i have a jobb, i make some money and im willing to chip in. so that i can see what i love to see. if you dont, then thats fine, just dont tell them its there foult. 20$ is not alot of money if it was 20$ every week, then thats somthing else, but this is a spescial thing. i realy dont think any of the people here on TL would be thrown on the streest if they payed 20$ for this ones every 2-3 mothes. i meen, look at the money you put in to games, hardware, clothes, other sports, hobbys and so on... this is nothing!! 20$ can buy me a beer in a bar in norway or give me 20houers of sc2 content. i choose both The starcraft2 tournament streaming market...? What exactly do you think you're "chipping in" to do? | ||
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frosecold
Venezuela76 Posts
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On February 16 2012 21:57 frosecold wrote: there is people like me who just cant afford it, people from latin america or outside US living in a shitty country, this is not fair... Well i guess its for the sake of eSports i thought ppl that can pay 50 dollars for a cheeseburger can spend 20 dollars for mlg? Edit: but i agree, this ppv only rly reduces the potential of growing esports dramatically | ||
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