EPTMy two cents, I'd also like the event to be a little cheaper. I think a lot more people would pay if it was only $10 an event for a whole weekend. Sure, MMA and Boxing might be $50 for a night, but that's because that's the only place you can see high-level fighting. StarCraft isn't like this at all. Unless MLG can give more than just watching matches. Give me more angles, more perspectives, more interviews, I want stats before every match, just give me more. Make it worth my money.
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
My two cents, I'd also like the event to be a little cheaper. I think a lot more people would pay if it was only $10 an event for a whole weekend. Sure, MMA and Boxing might be $50 for a night, but that's because that's the only place you can see high-level fighting. StarCraft isn't like this at all. Unless MLG can give more than just watching matches. Give me more angles, more perspectives, more interviews, I want stats before every match, just give me more. Make it worth my money. | ||
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x6.Chouji
United States84 Posts
Noone cares what you type here. Noone gives a crap about your 2 cents on why you hate MLG and it is EVIL and HORRIBLE. When you bought you gold tickets you were told "exactly" what you were going to get. That is all. To the people crying without gold tickets. Not a single person cares whether or not you are "entitled" to free coverage of sc2 events that cost tons of money just because you...watch it. Think about that for a second. Just buy it or don't buy it. Holy shit. You can cry in your sleep if you care so much about the evil nature of MLG. $20. Hahahaha~ User was warned for this post | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
But I do believe that people can shell out $20 easily. For goodness' sake, even if you are a poor college student, $20 is really nothing. Just don't go to one more movie. You get 3 days of awesome content, entertaining games, and an intense atmosphere. How could you turn this down (unless you are in a similar position as I) | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ZMTFoxdiE
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:29 SACtheXchng wrote: Why should I not judge him on hearing him talk about this issue? I think I got a pretty good picture of him. Is he a nice guy, if you get to know him privately? Maybe. In fact probably, but who gives a shit. Right now he's talking like an asshole about the thing I care. And I don't think that people funding the industry you're living off of are irrelevant. That you don't care about anything else I said, doesn't surprise me. Afterall I'm not a "Team Liquid Veteran". EDIT: Wow, now the guy got temp banned for that. That's actually making me sad. You don't have to know Sundance privately to know that he is a nice guy who also cares very dearly about eSports. If you have paid any amount of attention to last years Pro Circuit, you would know that he cares A LOT! Also, his LO3 interview showed nothing but passion and frustration. People need to recognize that MLG WILL NOT be able to continue by making ZERO profit. They have to charge for this event. They have to earn money. While I agree that the price is a little steep, it's worth it based upon the quality of production that they have previously provided. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On February 16 2012 14:12 ZMTFoxdiE wrote: calm down guys i'm fairly certain there will be plenty of restreams seriously? not cool. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
He has a point. Restreams of course will be shut down, but it's a bad sign for MLG that the sentiment exists to restream this as they have painted themselves as the bad guys. Nobody should need to restream a SC2 tournament, and nobody should need to feel guilty for watching one. Not while SC2 is still this young. | ||
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
On February 16 2012 14:02 GhandiEAGLE wrote: primarily because if I ask my parents whether I can But I do believe that people can shell out $20 easily You are young and naive, cherish this moment in your life. | ||
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kurosawa
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For those that have a job not sure 20 dollars is a huge amount and if you don't think it's value then don't buy. For students who can't afford - go to a bar craft or go without your beers or whatnot to pay for it. If you can't afford it still well then you can't afford it. We just can't afford some things and it's fine, move on. To the kids - if your parents won't pay well you're kinda screwed. Watch the alternatives and wait for the vods. We're not entitled to anything for free...least of all something quite so expensive as putting on a tournament of MLGs scale. The cheap rates we got last year for watching circuit events was because it was such a fledgling esport...so they wanted to promote it...it won't last forever. Sure they made some odd choices and you are free to complain. But entitlement and wanting things for free is just bizarre. It's through threads like this you realize how entitled the SC community feels about content. | ||
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Andrew2658
United States356 Posts
To me it is just not worth the price for what I'm getting. A GSL season is $15 for close to two months of content. Even going by MLG's previous standard a Gold pass which is $30 for 4 weekends, which is $7.50 a weekend. The $20 price point is just too much for what I would receive compared to the set prices that were already established. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 16 2012 07:32 legaton wrote: Perfect example of all the wishful thinking, fallacies and plain stupidity we read on this thread. There's no miracle solution for business and all the "options" you mention have already been tried. Did you forget that MLG fired several persons (Slasher) that worked on media content not directly related to events? Didn't you realize that, unlike IPL, MLG doesn't use prime convention centers, but tries to goes to more medium sized towns or suburbs on highly populated areas (as a European, i've discover several new places in North America as Providence or Raleigh thanks to MLG. More importantly, do you even know how a "negotiation" works? You say "Renegotiate with sponsors for money earned per commercial". May i ask what leverage MLG has to ask for more money from sponsors? 250K unique hits? Wow, i'm pretty sure the marketing and the sales director from Dr Pepper are going to be really impressed... Renegotiating the terms of a contract is not as easy as you believe... And as a side note, greedy Sundance and MLG didn't paid their cars thanks to you or the e-sports scene, and that's what's worrisome. I posted the SEC fillings from MLG yesterday. They have sold 50 millions dollars on equity parts and 7 millions on debt backed securities. Today, MLG exists and expands thanks to the gullibility of retarded investors trying to hit the new -and unknown- internet fancy. God bless America because it seems there's a lot of stupid private equity funds trying to set a foot on "new technologies" and "media related ventures". But this system is just not sustainable. You can live on equity forever, you have to turn a profit. I'm not saying people should pay MLG. I have never bought anything from MLG and i'm not going to start now. I'm just saying that the "freemium" business model doesn't exist. You have a venture capital based models (MLG but also platforms like justinTV) trying to monetize trafic. It seems it didn't work. Now, they want to try the PPV model. It's probably going to fail and it's going to shatter the illusions of lots of people of the "scene" Appreciate your insight ..can you explain why they aren't even having a live audience this time around? Seems like a great way to monetize since MLG seems to attract so many. Have to agree with you on the freemium fail. Well, at least on the scale they are trying to do it. Online tourneys work just fine as guys like TB has been very open about revenue those make. But he's not flying people all around the world, furnishing computers, office staff, paying elite shoutcasters, etc like MLG. On that scale you need millions of viewers to get heavy duty endorsement or PPV to pay the bills in the long run. Meh not my problem that's their job and they will either sink or swim depending how wel they do it. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 16 2012 15:52 tdt wrote: Appreciate your insight ..can you explain why they aren't even having a live audience this time around? Seems like a great way to monetize since MLG seems to attract so many. Have to agree with you on the freemium fail. Well, at least on the scale they are trying to do it. Online tourneys work just fine as guys like TB has been very open about revenue those make. But he's not flying people all around the world, furnishing computers, office staff, paying elite shoutcasters, etc like MLG. On that scale you need millions of viewers to get heavy duty endorsement or PPV to pay the bills in the long run. Meh not my problem that's their job and they will either sink or swim depending how wel they do it. no live audience because they don't have room for a live audience. the plan was never for the arena's to be at MLG offices in NY. They were supposed to have a studio in Columbus for the Arena's but that didn't come to fruition yet. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 16 2012 15:40 kurosawa wrote: The amount of shit talk in this thread is hilarious. For those that have a job not sure 20 dollars is a huge amount and if you don't think it's value then don't buy. For students who can't afford - go to a bar craft or go without your beers or whatnot to pay for it. If you can't afford it still well then you can't afford it. We just can't afford some things and it's fine, move on. To the kids - if your parents won't pay well you're kinda screwed. Watch the alternatives and wait for the vods. We're not entitled to anything for free...least of all something quite so expensive as putting on a tournament of MLGs scale. The cheap rates we got last year for watching circuit events was because it was such a fledgling esport...so they wanted to promote it...it won't last forever. Sure they made some odd choices and you are free to complain. But entitlement and wanting things for free is just bizarre. It's through threads like this you realize how entitled the SC community feels about content. It's about relative value. In the desert w/o water I'd give everything I owned for a glass of it. In a sea of SC2 free views and less cost but in every way better GSL $20 is outlandish IMO. Speaking of entitlement. Are businesses entitled to make a profit? In point of fact, it's rare if they do, only about 10% do, the cream rises to the top and the rest go out of business. I never felt one smidgen of guilt about it since it's beautiful capitalism at work. | ||
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iwearcapes
France157 Posts
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ulan-bat
China403 Posts
On February 16 2012 16:09 DrowSwordsman wrote: I think I'll pay the $15 because I love MLG, but it killed me to hear Sundance say "no one bought Gold". I bought Gold directly because of what Scoots was talking about. Because Sundance said "hey, if you want more - buy Gold". Yeah, so basically he says "if you want more - buy Gold => no one bought Gold" And then if you want SC2 to survive - PPV, 20 bucks And soon if you and your familly want to survive - PPV, 50 bucks a day I'm not discussing the price or anything, just questioning the logic. | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
On February 16 2012 13:53 x6.Chouji wrote: You sir are not only an idiot but also a hypocrite. You taking the time to tell people complaining about their situation that no one cares shows that for some odd reason you care about them complaining. Grow up and don't waste others times with your stupid banter. Hey kids, Noone cares what you type here. Noone gives a crap about your 2 cents on why you hate MLG and it is EVIL and HORRIBLE. When you bought you gold tickets you were told "exactly" what you were going to get. That is all. To the people crying without gold tickets. Not a single person cares whether or not you are "entitled" to free coverage of sc2 events that cost tons of money just because you...watch it. Think about that for a second. Just buy it or don't buy it. Holy shit. You can cry in your sleep if you care so much about the evil nature of MLG. $20. Hahahaha~ User was warned I think after seeing Lo3 today my view changed slightly, I am willing to test for this post Because MLG is testing the waters with this PPV, I feel that given the casters, players, and tournament structure the content will be worth 20$ and currently I am in a place to spend 20$. However, I do think maybe I will have to pass on future events if I do not have the 20 so hopefully maybe the price can go down in the future. | ||
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