EPTI will still watch their free streamed events when they happen, I just wont pay.
In a world where every single major event is 100% ppv, then I guess I am done with sc2 and I'll move on to something else. Fortunately, that will never happen
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
I will still watch their free streamed events when they happen, I just wont pay. In a world where every single major event is 100% ppv, then I guess I am done with sc2 and I'll move on to something else. Fortunately, that will never happen | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Last I checked, the ad-based model is pretty damn successful for most organizations that try it, so if MLG can't use it they're either spending too much money for their viewerbase size or they aren't doing it correctly. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:08 hmunkey wrote: What happened to ad-based revenue? How does MLG expect to grow as a business if they can't make money through advertising and sponsorships? Last I checked, the ad-based model is pretty damn successful for most organizations that try it, so if MLG can't use it they're either spending too much money for their viewerbase size or they aren't doing it correctly. That or Blizzard is skimming a lot more ad revenue than anyone is willing to admit and MLG is moving away from ad based revenue to avoid that clause. | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
And for all of those who are upset with their gold passes I can understand why you feel that you did not get what you had paid for. However, you need to look at the big picture here. When they were offering those passes I am pretty sure that the price for them did not consider these 4 tournaments since it was the same price structure as last year. Of course the price will have to go up in order for them to throw events like this. The only way I could see that they would have been able to avoid this situation was to put off the tournament until 2013 so that they could give all the gold members plenty of warning that things were changing. I am not really too sure if that is what the consumers in the end would want. Lastly, I wonder if MLG decided to not give us any of the free content leading up to the arena and included that in their PPV model if there would have been as many people complaining? It would have been a month's worth of content for that same $20. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6256 Posts
On February 16 2012 03:35 RHMVNovus wrote: Indeed. If you can't price it competitively, you are unlikely to be in the market. The fact that $10 is the cap on being competitively priced, however, seems to show how limited this market really is - and is likely to remain. For TV channels you don't pay 10$ and you get a lot more content than just a weekend. 10$ pp is already quite high imo. | ||
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Kyoshir0
Central Afr. Rep.14 Posts
dreamhack summer:6 streams,all matches casted and 3-4 languages where used. everything free and with no problems in a place where there where more than 20k pc`s connect in lan/net it had all the casters(with day 9 ) all the games all the replays/vods completely fucking free for everyone and made they made their money from sponsors and the live audience. as mlg is right now the biggest us esports venue and the us market is waaaaaay bigger than us poor folks in europe and the sponsors really flock these venues for promotion (remember the drpepper commercials last year)purposes so 20 bucks from me/you/anyone are just an added bonus so pls don`t tell me about money probs for mlg come on even nasl are getting by with less than half the viewership and what about IPL?all the content and i mean ALL THE FRIGGIN CONTENT is free and you pay for hd as you should. of course the casting/players are better in mlg than ipl but the finals are not that behind and nowadays is obvious that you can watch the highest quality of games everyday in a lot of cups. we are not avid boxing fans we just want to be able to watch our games for free else everything will be like the gsl which i cannot pay for/i cannot watch live there fore i torrent it!!!! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:08 hmunkey wrote: What happened to ad-based revenue? How does MLG expect to grow as a business if they can't make money through advertising and sponsorships? Last I checked, the ad-based model is pretty damn successful for most organizations that try it, so if MLG can't use it they're either spending too much money for their viewerbase size or they aren't doing it correctly. It's not stable at this point for supporting a sporting event. If you look at any major sporting league, they do not support their infstructure through ads alone. They charge for anything and everything they can, from tickets to food. Do you think Madden 2012 doesn't make the NFL some money? Basing your existence on one source of income is bad in any field. TV shows count on DVD sales, syndication and other related sales to make money off of their shows. There is little that any of us watch that is solely funded by ad revenue. Expecting MLG or any Esports to be different is sort of silly. As things more on, they want to become more stable. | ||
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shankems2000
United States103 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:19 shankems2000 wrote: As InControl or Pain user said on sotg last night, they're trying to make it a self sustaining business. Meaning relying not on sponsors but on revenue from viewers and lovers of e-sports. It's only $20 bucks. Even you starving college kids can swing that much. Yeah, we swung that much when we paid for the Gold membership already. | ||
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
You get 3 solid evenings of matches for only $20 here with MLG. Yes, I know, you may not think the quality is as comparable, but at least it's cheaper and for more. I think we should see how good their content is be before we judge. | ||
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:19 bonifaceviii wrote: Yeah, we swung that much when we paid for the Gold membership already. Yes you did, but since then they have doubled their content. Of course things will have to change. It is an unfortunate situation but people with gold passes need to realize that doubling their content doesn't come free. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:04 Plansix wrote: I agree with Nony here. I like GSL, but only when Tastless and Artosis are on. Even then, I bearly watched in the TvT era when it was faceless terran vs faceless terran. It is only recently that the GSL has gotten back into having fun, enjoyable players like MC, Geninus and MKP back into the finals and for me to enjoy. MLG bring so much more. The entire community shows up for the event, along with the best from Korea. It has to be more than just number of games played. It has to be compelling characters that we want to see win. Seeing Liquid Hero nearly break down on stage was one of the best moments in SC2 for me last year. With Tasteless and Day9 trying to announce him has the winner while Team Liquid rushed the stage. GOM has none of that and it is something that I am willing to pay for if MGL can deliver. A local, live SC2 league that happens 4, 6 or 8 times a year is worth investing in. And what was that tournament? Oh right, it was not MLG... Also, if you'd rather see Liquid rush the stage and not Prime/MvP or any of the other korean teams then GSL is certainly not for you. Have you even watched the ro8 of GSL? They are bringing new features even as we speak, and that's why we pay. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:12 drgoats wrote: Assuming that there will be 4 arena's and they go for about $20 a pop and you order the gold pass for what I think is $30 - $40 as a consumer you are basically paying $110-120 for 8 great tournaments and a year of MLG coverage. That is basically on par in my mind with the GSL. MLG gave us the qualifiers for free to these events and those were some high quality games. In fact, I know that the GSL offers their free stream but it can be really difficult to follow due to the horrible quality and for a lot of people in the states it is on too late at night. MLG's free content stuff is actually better quality when you come to think of it. And for all of those who are upset with their gold passes I can understand why you feel that you did not get what you had paid for. However, you need to look at the big picture here. When they were offering those passes I am pretty sure that the price for them did not consider these 4 tournaments since it was the same price structure as last year. Of course the price will have to go up in order for them to throw events like this. The only way I could see that they would have been able to avoid this situation was to put off the tournament until 2013 so that they could give all the gold members plenty of warning that things were changing. I am not really too sure if that is what the consumers in the end would want. Lastly, I wonder if MLG decided to not give us any of the free content leading up to the arena and included that in their PPV model if there would have been as many people complaining? It would have been a month's worth of content for that same $20. MLG's HD stream is way inferior to both GSL, DH and ASUS. I have 20/20 vision and still sometimes can't even make out the supply in some cases. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:37 drgoats wrote: Yes you did, but since then they have doubled their content. Of course things will have to change. It is an unfortunate situation but people with gold passes need to realize that doubling their content doesn't come free. No, but we should reasonably be able to expect that when we pay for "access to all content" that's what we'll be receiving. If MLG needs to up their fee they can do so when it's time for us to renew. Not suddenly charge for something for which we've already paid. | ||
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Jebsauce
United States8 Posts
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:43 Klondikebar wrote: No, but we should reasonably be able to expect that when we pay for "access to all content" that's what we'll be receiving. If MLG needs to up their fee they can do so when it's time for us to renew. Not suddenly charge for something for which we've already paid. That is my point. Then we would have to wait almost an entire year for MLG to put out extra tournaments. It is not feasible for them to have these without increasing the price. If we want these tournaments now then we have to pay. | ||
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:42 Xcobidoo wrote: MLG's HD stream is way inferior to both GSL, DH and ASUS. I have 20/20 vision and still sometimes can't even make out the supply in some cases. Yes they have said that this will be improved for this event. | ||
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Sawofhackness
Afghanistan183 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:54 Grumbels wrote: Please don't let this become a 100 page thread filled with bitter arguments and complaints. :o ha wrong! its closer to a 200 page thread filled with bitter arguments and complaints | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 16 2012 04:44 drgoats wrote: That is my point. Then we would have to wait almost an entire year for MLG to put out extra tournaments. It is not feasible for them to have these without increasing the price. If we want these tournaments now then we have to pay. Your point is bad, then. MLG can still introduce new PPV content without turning every single gold subscriber against them; they simply have to start charging PPV to people who haven't paid up front. | ||
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