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Sway.746
United States95 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:33 Jibba wrote: I don't know what their deal with Akamai was, but I think you're underestimating bandwidth. It's not an unsubstantial amount. If they're paying too much for bandwidth then it's another problem altogether. If they're losing money on bandwidth by streaming content with ads then they were really, really doing it wrong. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:35 SevenShots wrote: yes. it is 15$ more, but it is not for 3 days but for over a month.  The light ticket ( Code S, Code A, Up-Downs ) is 15$ for an entire season. ( Seasons are also much longer than last year ) Watching one ad before the VOD loads is not really a big deal, and there are 0 ads during live broadcasts. | ||
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:31 Soap wrote: To me it is - it's at an appropriate time, with better image quality, doesn't require download of proprietary software and I don't care about SC2 korean competition (once you follow BW it's like MLS vs La Liga) Besides, GSL ad-free season pass is $35, $15 more expensive. 1.) You compain that the Korean SC2 scene is like the MLS to BW's La Liga... but what does that make the foreigner SC2 scene then? The compitition in the US/Europe scene pales in comparisson to the Korean scence. 2) You get a lot more matches (of a higher play quality) for your $35 than the MLG's $20 | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
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JustJonny
Canada294 Posts
MrMLGAdam Winter Arena Bcast ?s answered, 100% no ads, Gold Member Discount. http://bit.ly/A3r3d5 Please check out the premium viewing page $5 off for gold members, no ads (on primary streams) | ||
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terialk
United States770 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:38 JJH777 wrote: It should be being compared to the light ticket since Arena is going to have ads as well. Freshly released: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/questions-about-the-winter-arena-we-have-answers/ All the gameplay streams will not have ads. Only the behind the scenes/interviews/other stuff stream that will be free will have ads. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
That link doesn't show the money the make of sponsors. Which is most of the ad revenue, Dr. Pepper isn't going to sponsor MLG if the viewership drops by 97%. | ||
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SevenShots
Germany84 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
 Gonna be so sad if MLG is gone a year from now T_T | ||
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
I don't know how you could even think about pricing it at a level like 20$ for just three days. Homestory Cup was ad-supported, yes. But I just payed ~8$ to watch it in HD. And I don't really care for ads between the games since there isn't anything going on anyways. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
However, MLG does not operate on the same type of ad revenue that Twitch partners do. They receive private sponsorships with big dollar signs attached to them, and those sponsorships come with the caveat that the sponsors want tons of people to watch their event. Pepsi is not going to sponsor you if you keep increasing the costs for people to see Pepsi ads. There's no doubt in my mind that the $20 model will be more profitable than usual for MLG, for this one event. However, they're only going to lose customers over time, not gain any, since the only people willing to pay for it are the diehards who follow the scene regularly. They also lose a lot of good faith money on Gold accounts by assuming a "we're the big business, pay for our tournaments" approach instead of a "we're just having fun, give us money if you like us" approach. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:27 legaton wrote: ESL business model is not paying prizes to players (two years late on prize payments!) and venture capital (german investment funds and french banks) Dreamhack had operating losses ion 2009 and 2010. When David Garpenståhl left Dreamhack, he said DH was nearing bankruptcy (source). If things don't look too bad for them, it is because they are way more than an "e-sports" event now. It's more like a PC showroom now + LAN party. HSC got a profit for the first time, but their business model is irreproducible (more power to them). We don't know anything about GSL, but they are catering so much to the foreigner scene, it seems foreigners are their principal source of revenue. I'm not saying everyone else is doing great. SC2 is a new market and we have to wait 1-2 years how everything evolves. But just because MLG fails (with this new business model) after blowing huge amounts of money, that doesnt mean much for SC2 in general. | ||
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:42 Mohdoo wrote: I'm really sad about this. Even though I still expect MLG will be like "WE LOVE ESPORTS!! SO ITS ONLY $10 NOW AND ONLY $5 FOR GOLD MEMBERS!!!" as a publicity stunt, its looking possible that won't happen. This won't work at $15, MLG Gonna be so sad if MLG is gone a year from now T_TToo true. I can see MLG backing out of this idea. It could actually end up killing MLG. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:30 Xcobidoo wrote: Predicting we'll be able to buy the PPV with a 5-10 dollar discount or something which would still be 10-15 dollars more than we expected when we bought the gold pass for, but we'll see tomorrow. Well, well, well... I still don't see how they could justify a 25% discount on something I thought I had already paid for :/ No ads is fine though but is to be expected for that price and since there is no LQ stream at all. Regarding the poll, I would probably be fine with paying 10 dollars per event if I scratched the fact that I already have the gold ticket. | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
Oh and I wanted to mention that ESL actually pays the prize money. It might come with up to one year delay (mostly for tax reasons in Germany) but they're still among the best when it comes to actually paying. I also remember a post by Cloud about this and Carmacks response. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:33 Jibba wrote: I don't know what their deal with Akamai was, but I think you're underestimating bandwidth. It's not an unsubstantial amount. They´ve signed a contract with Streamworks who basically handled everything. I wonder how much they paid for it. What I find surprising is that now they are charging 20$ just for one event, Streamworks won´t handle the streams, TwitchTV will. I wonder why that is. | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote: i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different? /insertareyoufuckingseriouscomic | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On February 15 2012 07:45 Timerly wrote: This poll is the market research they (hopefully) did before. If they didn't then to hell with that kind of unprofessional business. They determined 20$ to be the correct price point (I disagree but hey, I don't have that much data either). Now the big question is how negative the publicity will be considering the whole Twitter/gold member/Assembly problematic. Well they do have to pay prize money as well as 48 flights. Flights are expensive. | ||
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