EPTOn February 14 2012 08:56 goal 888 wrote:
Ive stopped playing mostly simply because i discovered the wonder of LoL.
Ive stopped playing mostly simply because i discovered the wonder of LoL.
League of Legends eh? Perhaps I should give that a gander
Nobody Plays 1v1 Ladder Anymore? - Page 29
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
League of Legends eh? Perhaps I should give that a gander | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
When I hear about the community from the fans/players, all I hear about is how tournaments arent paying their players or someone is caught cheating or stealing, or how this or that tournament was a giant flop. Every time I get on the ladder, all it takes to set someone off is not saying GG at the end of a game, and then that player wants to literally kill me for it lol. I'm very greatful for all of the 'content' that is pushed out by certain branches of the community (pro players, sponsored events, esports-centric companies and teams), but the actual fans and players of the game is just the most negative community I've ever seen. These forums are so filled with trolls and hipsters. I have met MAYBE 2 or 3 "nice" people on sc2, and the rest have been little kids making threats over the internet because I cant do anything about it. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:03 sparC wrote: you really don't get the point do you? okay, i give you an example : last time i played ladder, i played 4 games. in all of them, i got 1base all-in'd. i defended and won all those 4 games, yet, it felt like a waste of time. maybe it's just me, but i simply can't enjoy these games. maybe it's also hard for you to understand, it really discourages me to play ladder, because i don't want to waste my time like that. and it also kinda makes me mad, because every of those 4 games could have been an (for me) enjoyable game, yet wasn't, because those players decided to make a coin-flip and lost. But the only point I'm making is that 1 base all ins are not keeping you from by passing them, something else must be since you can deal with them well enough by your own account. This is like getting six pooled in silver league, if you can defend this but are still in silver league, obviously the cheese is not your problem, something else is. I agree with you that Bnet is a hard place to have fun of your choice on, so the point is only whether you mind where your good games are played, on the ladder or anywhere else i.e. whether you approve of competition or not. | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
I've played the most games this season (over 300 1v1 alone.) I mean, I love this game, and it's getting better and better for me. I have a community established at my school, and we do a Friday Night Starcraft where we just play customs and teams with each other. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:09 BlueBoxSC wrote: Played since season one. I've played the most games this season (over 300 1v1 alone.) I mean, I love this game, and it's getting better and better for me. I have a community established at my school, and we do a Friday Night Starcraft where we just play customs and teams with each other. One in a million, sir. It's too bad that there is not very much varience (luck) in this game, otherwise more people would probably play in stuff like this. Would I want to go to a weekly lan if I KNEW for a fact that I wasnt going to win because there are players there that are much better than I am? Meh, probably not, especially if there was an entry fee. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:09 BlueBoxSC wrote:I mean, I love this game, and it's getting better and better for me. I have a community established at my school, and we do a Friday Night Starcraft where we just play customs and teams with each other. This is where I love the game, playing with my friends, we used to do that every Friday too (Either alternate between people for 1v1s or custom games or team games). One game with someone I know, even when I get stomped (as was the case since back then everyone was better than me), is more fun and satisfying than 10 ladder wins in a row since it actually feels like it matters. Plus you can learn way more. Sadly, all of my friends quit and play MOBAs now and I dislike that type of game so I'm stuck doing other things. | ||
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Vivax
22163 Posts
I played LoL for a loooong time,started shortly after they released Nidalee, and without tribunal it was like this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://cofcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/castel.jpg) Now i don't 1 v 1 ladder anymore in sc2 cause it's super saturated with fulltime pros, and i prefer going for a career in other fields. Also,i wouldn't want to explain to an employer that i spent years improving in a game for a living. | ||
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jkos86
50 Posts
The "balance" of the game feels more like they are catering to only z and p and are anti terran, simply because all the top players in the world are terran. They have become so good at the game that blizzard is afraid of losing 2/3s of their customer base. Hence they create "artificial balance". Everyone must agree that late game PvT is WAY more of a problem than late game ZvT. Without stats just by a decent metagame knowledge its obvious that a long PvT game swings hugely in the favour of the P. And yet this hasnt been addressed at all and protoss gets another buff because honestly put the protoss players arent able to adapt their strategies. Not to mention lategame ZvT despite what others would have you believe is still HEAVILY zerg favoured. If zerg has a slight lead in the mid game it translates exponentially into a HUGE lead in the late game when they can make an infblarmy and have enough of a bank to remax into w/e the zerg wants. | ||
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ssregitoss
Turkey241 Posts
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
shitty custom map interface has made a lot of people leave this game. the vast majority of SC:BW's and WC3's popularity came from custom maps. most people bought SC2 for custom maps but it didn't deliver. On February 14 2012 09:21 jkos86 wrote: Game doesnt feel balanced enough to keep playing terrans gotten too many nerfs whilst z and t get buffed. Not to mention larger maps weaken terran considerably and with the upcoming ghost nerf really wondering if its worth playing or supporting sc2 "esports" feels like a sham. The "balance" of the game feels more like they are catering to only z and p and are anti terran, simply because all the top players in the world are terran. They have become so good at the game that blizzard is afraid of losing 2/3s of their customer base. Hence they create "artificial balance". Everyone must agree that late game PvT is WAY more of a problem than late game ZvT. Without stats just by a decent metagame knowledge its obvious that a long PvT game swings hugely in the favour of the P. And yet this hasnt been addressed at all and protoss gets another buff because honestly put the protoss players arent able to adapt their strategies. Not to mention lategame ZvT despite what others would have you believe is still HEAVILY zerg favoured. If zerg has a slight lead in the mid game it translates exponentially into a HUGE lead in the late game when they can make an infblarmy and have enough of a bank to remax into w/e the zerg wants. You're a professional level SC2 player? Wait, you're not? Oh, so balance doesn't concern you at all and you're just making excuses and whining. I see. | ||
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babyToSS
233 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:24 SovSov wrote: You're a professional level SC2 player? Wait, you're not? Oh, so balance doesn't concern you at all and you're just making excuses and whining. I see. To be fair if he was a professional SC2 player he would probably be doing fine with terran  . Its the average joes who find it very difficult to keep up with the mechanical demands of late game terran. | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:28 Onlinejaguar wrote: Starcraft 2 ladder is not kind to casuals. ie it doesn't make you feel like your good. This would be the main reason a lot of people do not ladder anymore. This is what I basically said, only I said it in 3 or 4 paragraphs lol. Lack of [cant think of the word] progression; you are not guarenteed to go up in league the more you play, as opposed to WoW where you cannot go down in level or gear. | ||
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SarkON
Russian Federation117 Posts
I play every day now and at any time of the day I'm able to find matches in high diamond - master level no problem. Almost never have to wait more than 1 minute. Less people play now? Sure. But the game by no means is dying. Just more hardcore audience is staying and more casuals are leaving. This is what's happening atm. Also, the casuals are gravitating towards streams more than playing the game. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:32 SarkON wrote: Well, i think "nobody plays 1v1 ladder anymore" is definitely an overstatement. I play every day now and at any time of the day I'm able to find matches in high diamond - master level no problem. Almost never have to wait more than 1 minute. Less people play now? Sure. But the game by no means is dying. Just more hardcore audience is staying and more casuals are leaving. This is what's happening atm. Also, the casuals are gravitating towards streams more than playing the game. Man speaks the truth | ||
Falling
Canada11409 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:06 ishyishy wrote: Is there a difference between a 'community' and the people? Every time I hear about how "great" the sc2 community is, it's always from someone like Day9 (which is annoyingly over-positive about everything lol) and how "nice" everyone is. Well yeah, people are nice to day9 because he is a "celebrity", but no one really cares about each other anywhere else. Give me 1 reason to care about how well some random person is doing on the ladder, or care about my opponents, and on the same leve, give them 1 reason to care about me. Exactly, there is no reason. Everyone only cares about the celebrities of the game. When I hear about the community from the fans/players, all I hear about is how tournaments arent paying their players or someone is caught cheating or stealing, or how this or that tournament was a giant flop. Every time I get on the ladder, all it takes to set someone off is not saying GG at the end of a game, and then that player wants to literally kill me for it lol. I'm very greatful for all of the 'content' that is pushed out by certain branches of the community (pro players, sponsored events, esports-centric companies and teams), but the actual fans and players of the game is just the most negative community I've ever seen. These forums are so filled with trolls and hipsters. I have met MAYBE 2 or 3 "nice" people on sc2, and the rest have been little kids making threats over the internet because I cant do anything about it. Depends how you mean. Partially I think it's a hold over idea from the BW days. Where by and large it was an older crowd and a tighter community. Then there was a huge influx of people for SC2 and the dynamics changed a lot. And in case people get mad, you can lump in with the new wave because although I was lurking for longer, I only signed up during Beta announcements. But it still holds true to some extent. We were getting all in a ruffle by that Halo Reach talk show. But they were legitimately jealous of the amount of energy behind the SC2 community for content generation whether talk shows, barcrafts, community tournaments, etc. So I don't know, we probably got the good with the bad.. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:37 Falling wrote: Depends how you mean. Partially I think it's a hold over idea from the BW days. Where by and large it was an older crowd and a tighter community. Then there was a huge influx of people for SC2 and the dynamics changed a lot. And in case people get mad, you can lump in with the new wave because although I was lurking for longer, I only signed up during Beta announcements. But it still holds true to some extent. We were getting all in a ruffle by that Halo Reach talk show. But they were legitimately jealous of the amount of energy behind the SC2 community for content generation whether talk shows, barcrafts, community tournaments, etc. So I don't know, we probably got the good with the bad.. Do you have the link to this Halo Reach show? | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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sparC
Germany162 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:08 chestnutcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2012 09:03 sparC wrote: you really don't get the point do you? okay, i give you an example : last time i played ladder, i played 4 games. in all of them, i got 1base all-in'd. i defended and won all those 4 games, yet, it felt like a waste of time. maybe it's just me, but i simply can't enjoy these games. maybe it's also hard for you to understand, it really discourages me to play ladder, because i don't want to waste my time like that. and it also kinda makes me mad, because every of those 4 games could have been an (for me) enjoyable game, yet wasn't, because those players decided to make a coin-flip and lost. But the only point I'm making is that 1 base all ins are not keeping you from by passing them, something else must be since you can deal with them well enough by your own account. This is like getting six pooled in silver league, if you can defend this but are still in silver league, obviously the cheese is not your problem, something else is. I agree with you that Bnet is a hard place to have fun of your choice on, so the point is only whether you mind where your good games are played, on the ladder or anywhere else i.e. whether you approve of competition or not. you claimed that "being tired of 1base all-ins" is "strategic xenophobia". i made my case, that this has nothing to do with an irrational fear. | ||
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