EPTIs one way generally accepted as better then the other, aka does pro player hoover or rest their hands? How do you play?
Hoover hand over keyboard or let it rest on desk?
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spirates
Sweden148 Posts
Is one way generally accepted as better then the other, aka does pro player hoover or rest their hands? How do you play? | ||
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LazyScout
United States223 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Proof.
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On a side note, don't your arms get tired after hovering them for a game or two? | ||
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Synergy
United States90 Posts
2nd - it's easier to take your wrists off the keyboard because you type faster and can move your hands faster around the keyboard | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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LazyScout
United States223 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:37 Proof. wrote: I think a good majority rest their hands.. On a side note, don't your arms get tired after hovering them for a game or two? If you're used to keeping your wrist in the air when using your keyboard you don't really consciously think about it so, it doesn't get tired. I don't really know how to explain it. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:37 SimDawg wrote: My Hoover hand sucks up twice as much APM as the next leading brand. Post of the week hahaha. Keeping your hand rested limits your mobility. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:37 SimDawg wrote: My Hoover hand sucks up twice as much APM as the next leading brand. LOL! You would think with spellcheck built into the forums, that people would actually use it. OP just as a heads up, Hoover is a vacuum cleaner....hover is the word you are looking for. | ||
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:45 eXigent. wrote: I always rest my lower palm at the bottom of my desk. LOL! You would think with spellcheck built into the forums, that people would actually use it. OP just as a heads up, Hoover is a vacuum cleaner....hover is the word you are looking for. Hoover was also an American president. I usually keep my wrist in the air. I used to rest my hand on the desk but when I learned of Carpal Tunnel, I changed my habit. Took awhile, but I'm sure it'll be so much better for me. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:53 Tiegrr wrote: Hoover was also an American president. I usually keep my wrist in the air. I used to rest my hand on the desk but when I learned of Carpal Tunnel, I changed my habit. Took awhile, but I'm sure it'll be so much better for me. also a dam. =) | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
Just learn the most ergonomic posture and you'll have a much better life in the long run. Becoming a pro-player is a non-issue imho. | ||
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Tazerenix
Australia340 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:58 CursedFeanor wrote: It seems obvious that the "proper" way to do is to hoover your hand over the keyboard to avoid wrist injuries. Pro players are good at the game for sure, but they are actually terrible role-model when it comes to ergonomic posture (and I'm sure they'd be the first to admit this). Watching them in their booths makes me cringe at time... Just learn the most ergonomic posture and you'll have a much better life in the long run. Becoming a pro-player is a non-issue imho. I know that huk hovers his hand over the keyboard. Most people in BW did because it is significantly easier to reach all the crazy hotkeys, but in SC2 since they are all so clumped it has become easier to just leave your hand on the table. This results in a lot of people complaining that they can't reach all the control groups and such. | ||
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
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Suichoy
Canada397 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:58 CursedFeanor wrote: Pro players are good at the game for sure, but they are actually terrible role-model when it comes to ergonomic posture (and I'm sure they'd be the first to admit this). No kidding, they rest their wrists on the table and practice 8+ hours without taking breaks. No wonder they all have carpal tunnel. Edit: Hover is better for your wrists. The only reason I didn't like hover at first is that my wrists gots tired (my endurance grew though) but that's a sign that I should take a break anyway. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
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Rainofpain
United States125 Posts
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FakeDouble
Australia676 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Zarjax
United States44 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/24v48kg.png) I put the most pressure on this point, on the nub, while resting the rest of the bottom of my hand on my desk. I'm not sure if this is what people consider the "wrist" that gives carpal tunnel, but I never have any problems or soreness. | ||
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GGPope
Australia367 Posts
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Typhon
United States387 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10318 Posts
Just make sure the ball of your hand is resting, and your wrist/bottom-arm is not resting on the edge of the table or else you'll get CTS | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:37 SimDawg wrote: My Hoover hand sucks up twice as much APM as the next leading brand. hahaha, omg, seriously best thing I've read in weeks. I rest my hand on the keyboard, and I can't imagine any serious gamer being able to "hoover hand" for hours on end. | ||
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Terrix
Germany305 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
try an experiment, play with you palms resting for 10 games then try with your hand hovering for 10 games. what did you notice? even your body knows which one is more natural. your brain should know this too. | ||
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FreeFruitFly
Australia29 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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antihobo
Canada121 Posts
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Duka08
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On February 11 2012 11:37 SimDawg wrote: My Hoover hand sucks up twice as much APM as the next leading brand. So glad I wasn't the only one who thought this | ||
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Typhon
United States387 Posts
On February 11 2012 12:46 Probe1 wrote: Which catagory does "Leave your hand on the keyboard at all times because your busy doing shit with it" fall under? In the same category as "we're talking about where base of the palm of your hand is, of course your fingertips where on the keys" | ||
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BrentStarcraft
United States13 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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kAelle_sc
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
On February 11 2012 13:18 theBALLS wrote: hoovering my hand makes me suck we have a winner | ||
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TrojanSC2
United States82 Posts
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~Maverick~
United States234 Posts
Also, it is important to note that with a proper computing setup, the elbow rests for your chair should be level with your desk, meaning that you don't have to hold your whole arm up, and most of the support comes from the arm rest itself. That way, even if you hover it shouldn't impede your performance. | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
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MuR
United States25 Posts
On February 11 2012 13:03 Abort Retry Fail wrote: cmon dude this is common sense. try an experiment, play with you palms resting for 10 games then try with your hand hovering for 10 games. what did you notice? even your body knows which one is more natural. your brain should know this too. I feel this is a terrible sentiment. Regardless of which way is better for you- there are things called bad habits, and many players suffer from recurring, debilitating wrist injuries as a result of them. In short, whatever is most comfortable for you at the moment might not be most healthy. Nice contribution. In any case, I think wrist strain has to do with keeping the forearm generally level. As long as your hand and arm don't seem to be meeting at unnatural angles, you should be fine. So, perhaps it is okay to play with your palms resting, provided your arm is resting on the arm chair, which is level to the desk? I'm not entirely sure :p, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. As for why piano players need to "hover"... they don't exactly have anywhere to rest, do they (without seriously bending their wrists)? And they require a greater range of movement, since the piano keyboard is much longer. So to do anything else besides hover is not conducive to playing healthily, or proficiently. I'm not sure the same can be said for playing Starcraft, since none of the above constraints apply. We have a lot of desk room on which to rest our hands, the keyboard is much smaller, and we have armchairs which we can adjust to keep our arms level. So... we can do both. Again, I'm not an expert on the subject, it just seems like both "hovering" and "resting" can be accomplished in a perfectly healthy manner. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Belkin Wrist Rest Thank me later. | ||
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MuR
United States25 Posts
You can always rest, and hover as needed; or when you need to hit the far keys, you can slide your palm while still resting. All preference, I think. | ||
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Letall
Sweden384 Posts
I also use a wrist support, one that came with my mousepad. I cant imagine playing without tbh. I used to get really bad pains in my left wrist but ever since I started using it like two years ago ive been fine. | ||
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
On February 11 2012 13:18 c_kAelle wrote: what is the best way to position your hands when it comes to the keyboard and mouse? is it good to push your keyboard and mouse a few inches nearer the table or to have it on the edge? and how to align it - should be centered (keyboard) and the mouse very close to the keyboard? Your keyboard should be around 1-2" from the edge of the desk, the main thing is to make sure your wrist is straight. Your mousepad should be be touching the edge of your desk, and have your mouse as close to the keyboard as you can. Use your wrist bone (picture below) as the pivot point to control your mouse. Position your hand so that wrist bone sits at the edge of your desk. Make sure there isn't pressure on your wrist (your tendons, veins, etc). + Show Spoiler + Your shoulders should be relaxed, falling naturally close to your body. Have your elbows bent at a 90 degree angle and wrists should be straight. Your arms should be in the same position (symmetrical). Your monitor should be centered and the top of the screen should be at eye level. How to position your keyboard/mouse: -Put your hands in their natural resting position (left hand on ASDF, right hand on mouse) and align the midpoint of your hands with the center of your monitor. Example: The left side of my keyboard is aligned with the left edge of my monitor. The right side of my mouse is aligned with the right edge of my monitor. Note: Never use a keyboard or mouse wrist rest, they're terrible and can actually cause carpel tunnel. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On February 11 2012 16:01 lysergic wrote: Your keyboard should be around 1-2" from the edge of the desk, the main thing is to make sure your wrist is straight. Your mousepad should be be touching the edge of your desk, and have your mouse as close to the keyboard as you can. Use your wrist bone (picture below) as the pivot point to control your mouse. Position your hand so that wrist bone sits at the edge of your desk. Make sure there isn't pressure on your wrist (your tendons, veins, etc). + Show Spoiler + Your shoulders should be relaxed, falling naturally close to your body. Have your elbows bent at a 90 degree angle and wrists should be straight. Your arms should be in the same position (symmetrical). Your monitor should be centered and the top of the screen should be at eye level. How to position your keyboard/mouse: -Put your hands in their natural resting position (left hand on ASDF, right hand on mouse) and align the midpoint of your hands with the center of your monitor. Example: The left side of my keyboard is aligned with the left edge of my monitor. The right side of my mouse is aligned with the right edge of my monitor. Note: Never use a keyboard or mouse wrist rest, they're terrible and can actually cause carpel tunnel. Like the one from the Logitech G110? D: I like this thing, I haven't had any pains or miscomforts...... I use the Optimus 1.3(search "darkgrid") hotkey setup; I don't have to move my hand very much to reach hotkeys. (farthest one is 7 I think, maybe 6.) | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
I also just tried the "hover hand" in a game. APM dropped 30. Thanks a lot. Jerk. | ||
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Sylfyre
Australia222 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Insomni7
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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United States2493 Posts
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