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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:27 lachy89 wrote: Is it wrong if my favourite change is the APM change? i like this as well. i'm more comfortable spamming my hotkeys/control groups than spamming right mouse button, so i'll instantly turn into a pro player after the patch comes out :p | ||
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epicanthic
Hong Kong295 Posts
There was a lot of concern and debate regarding whether APM should be an accurate number or it should be a fun, play style distinguishing factor like it has been traditionally. After hearing a lot of feedback from both sides, we decided to bring back classic APM, and change our current APM (that doesn’t count spam clicks) to be called Commands Per Minute, or CPM. Snap, son.This way, pro players who want to show off how fast their hands move can do so, while at the same time players who really just want to know how accurate and efficient their actions are can look at CPM. | ||
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On February 11 2012 07:42 OrangeSoda wrote: ghosts with + 3 damage do more damage shooting now compared to actually sniping i think. Against Light, yeah... thats just stupid They should just increase energy cost on snipe, maybe something around 35-40. Once they run out of energy they suck against Broodlords and Ultralisks and if its not a oneshot snipe the zerg gets chances to transfuse etc. But I think the best option would be to just reduce the damage of snipe by armor. Maybe even 2 damage per armor so it gets pretty bad against late game ultralisks and is still very good against Broodlords, which would be the ideal compromise imo. | ||
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klaxen
United States361 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:28 qui wrote: I haven't played a TvP in my life, although I have watched a fair few. Would it be a viable strategy with this new buff to use phoenix to snipe medivacs (or even vikings considering the speed difference) before a main engagement? I think it would certainly be useful to just have a small flock of phoenix patrol for drops and pick off reinforcing units. Marines still melt them super fast though. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:28 qui wrote: I haven't played a TvP in my life, although I have watched a fair few. Would it be a viable strategy with this new buff to use phoenix to snipe medivacs (or even vikings considering the speed difference) before a main engagement? not really, phoenix suck against vikings and medivacs... the best they can hope for is to 'soak up' damage from vikings so the colossus stay alive for longer. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:32 shockaslim wrote: I think my biggest gripe with the snipe nerf is that Terran has no type of offensive spell caster for late game TvZ. If they are going to nerf the ghost like this then they really should take a look into buffing Ravens a bit. A good place to start would be their acceleration and range of spells. i want auto-turret to obide by air upgrades. raven would be sick if auto-turret (their best spell) had 3/3 upgrades  | ||
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:08 Shockk wrote: But the Snipe change is ... debatable, at best. Way to force Terrans into Vikings / Marauders and make them more susceptible to lategame Z tech switches. Couldn't have said it better myself. I think this change is atrocious. The point of spellcasters is the utility they give the army in regards not just to killing off other spell casters, but also the lower susceptibility to tech switches. How the fuck am I gonna fire 19 Snipes on each Ultralisk, while also marine splitting and what not else against an Ultralisk/zergling/ling army, while all the Zerg has to do is pretty much A-move and use Fungals lol. Might as well not get ghosts at all now, and just try sniping infestors with stimmed marauders instead, since I don't have the 500 APM it's gonna require to use up all snipes. Not like EMP is gonna do much. The Zerg can just switch to broodlords then. Well guess us Terrans gotta learn to push right after killing off an Ultra army. I just think this makes us way too susceptible to tech switches. They wouldn't happen to be considering giving the BCs or carriers a much needed tweak? Seriously considering race-switching by now. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
I wonder why the number of terran players from master through gold dropped so much since patch 1.3. Just because of the nerfs? Terrans are still doing OK in GM. | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
Damn that's a big snipe nerf. I agree that mass snipe was too good against BLs and ultras, but I think blizz might have overdone this one. The ghost-BL balance was a problem, but tbh I feel like the problem with ultras isn't ghosts, it's their kiteability against bio. Plus, bling snipes are something I really enjoyed seeing and were really rewarding for the players with the skill to handle it. I guess the ghosts are festor-killers now, as you have to use your marines to kill BLs and your rauders to kill ultras, but you need to keep the fungals out of the equation. the marines are fragile, and fungal'd marauders are not so good against ultras. | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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NNTP
Canada47 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:13 MrTng wrote: "Figure out when remax will happen"? Uhm... maybe just after you sniped all the broodlords? Really, that's just common sense. Also, using snipe on T1 units is kind of silly since T1 can be massed so easily. I sometime have ghosts ready in TvT to emp banshees so i dont waste any energy on my orbital commands, plus ghosts do extra damage to everything that terran opens with (banshee, reapers, marines, hellions are all light units) so 1-2 ghosts max at beginning of the game can help out a lot if ou can keep it alive long enough the ghost can have a pretty good effect as a complement to your army, like force tank lines to move backwards (nuke outranges sieged tanks) and pushes back protoss army (without observer) when you have your army out of position (for example you are counter dropping his base and rallying to the area the protoss is coming from). so snipe vs T1 and emp vs T2 is very good actually. and while T1 usually its just few forces that will harass while you are both expanding anyway. unless he goes all out your opponent will not want to lose any units while he is building his infrastructure (terran, or protoss) | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:28 qui wrote: I haven't played a TvP in my life, although I have watched a fair few. Would it be a viable strategy with this new buff to use phoenix to snipe medivacs (or even vikings considering the speed difference) before a main engagement? Well the problem would be that a fleet beacon is super expensive and the upgrade probably isn't free either. Might be a good idea for a phoenix/colossus-based build in the later stages of the game. But for standard protoss play, probably too expensive to be viable. | ||
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QuasarStarcraft
United States46 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote: Oh man, the comments on the BNET forum over this are hilarious.... So many tears everywhere... I wonder why the number of terran players from master through gold dropped so much since patch 1.3. Just because of the nerfs? Terrans are still doing OK in GM. You mean you made the mistake of looking at the B.net forum comments? They are normally pretty lolworthy. I especially like the kind of pseudo-logic where two bronzies argue over whether having a 6 range upgrade at Fleet Beacon makes Phoenix too good against Marauders midgame, after you've Forge Fast Expanded. I have genuinely seen a guy saying that Roaches were OP against Protoss because they could be healed too fast by Medivacs. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
The phoenix range upgrade is certainly a welcome change, making phoenixes stronger against mutas and the like. Although you'd need some big tech'ing going on for that upgrade. Ghosts being nerfed is also a good idea in my opinion. Another good thing to see is the classic APM returning! | ||
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Boiler Bandsman
United States391 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:38 SeaSwift wrote: You mean you made the mistake of looking at the B.net forum comments? They are normally pretty lolworthy. I especially like the kind of pseudo-logic where two bronzies argue over whether having a 6 range upgrade at Fleet Beacon makes Phoenix too good against Marauders midgame, after you've Forge Fast Expanded. I have genuinely seen a guy saying that Roaches were OP against Protoss because they could be healed too fast by Medivacs. Mass Roach-Medivac OP! Lol. Now just get an EMP whine in there and we'll have our Protoss trifecta! | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 11 2012 08:34 c0ldfusion wrote: Oh man, the comments on the BNET forum over this are hilarious.... So many tears everywhere... I wonder why the number of terran players from master through gold dropped so much since patch 1.3. Just because of the nerfs? Terrans are still doing OK in GM. imo that's because GM terran's aren't dumb I.E. they don't attempt macro games versus zerg and protoss that are even close to them skill-wise. it makes sense.... why take it to lategame when you're far more likely to win with a 1 or 2 base timing attack? | ||
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