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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.
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On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:08 Noocta wrote:
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Your reasoning is stupid.
If we follow that, Feedback is the most broken ability in the game, which we know it isn'"t. Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army.
If u consider ghost being a counter to BLs, ultras and infestors. Then ling, roach and banes are counters to ghost.
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On February 12 2012 10:12 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:
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And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh.
Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. And lets just ignore the months and moths where terran was doing just fine against lategame zerg without snipe.
Back when zerg didn't go past ling/bane/muta? Yeah, terran was doing just fine w/o snipe then.
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On February 12 2012 10:12 gosuMalicE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:
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And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh.
Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. And lets just ignore the months and moths where terran was doing just fine against lategame zerg without snipe.
Yes. That was the time before zergs figured out that broodlords and infestors were good. Terrans responded by making ghosts. And now snipe is getting nerfed before zergs can figure out a good response to it.
See where the error in the cycle is? Ghosts being used in TvZ is a comparatively recent thing, and very few games have gone to the lategame TvZ. Saying zergs have no answer for it is bullshit, pure and simple.
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On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
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Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today.
Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again.
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On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:
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And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh.
Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again.
If all you have to say is "stop complaining you were lazy and now you deserve it" don't bother responding at all.
Get over yourself hot shot. Terrans never stopped making vikings in TvZ.
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I don't think anyone is saying the ghost is untoutchable. Maybe there needs to be an adjustment. But cutting snipe from 45-25 isn't a small adjustment. It's a huge nurf. And that is what Terrans are objecting to.
I tend to agree. Infestor/BL/Corrupter is really hard to beat even with ghosts as they are now.
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On February 12 2012 10:14 Torra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:12 gosuMalicE wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
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You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. And lets just ignore the months and moths where terran was doing just fine against lategame zerg without snipe. Back when zerg didn't go past ling/bane/muta? Yeah, terran was doing just fine w/o snipe then.
Back when you guys actually built Vikings, Now you just go for ghosts, this is your punishment. Back to Vikings actually having a purpose, sorry to break it to you guys.
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On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:
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And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh.
Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again.
Corruptors > vikings
And as others have said earlier, there's been really few games where terran gets to mass ghosts, saying that it's no way to stop it is just stupid. Maybe it could be zerg's time to find a new way to deal with a problem. But no, why not just nerf terran again instead?
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On February 12 2012 10:19 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
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You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again. If all you have to say is "stop complaining you were lazy and now you deserve it" don't bother responding at all. Get over yourself hot shot.
You are so annoying. It was the same when you guys thought Protoss was overpowered and all you built were Marines. Than you found out about Ghosts and Marauders and stopped whinning. God forbide you have to use more than 1 unit to counter like 4 Zerg units. Read a book and learn something.
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On February 12 2012 10:21 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:14 Torra wrote:On February 12 2012 10:12 gosuMalicE wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:
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So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player.
I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. And lets just ignore the months and moths where terran was doing just fine against lategame zerg without snipe. Back when zerg didn't go past ling/bane/muta? Yeah, terran was doing just fine w/o snipe then. Back when you guys actually built Vikings, Now you just go for ghosts, this is your punishment. Back to Vikings actually having a purpose, sorry to break it to you guys.
Wait, what? When did we build vikings vs. ling/bane/muta? Rofl, dude just gtfo, ur embarrasing urself.
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On February 12 2012 10:24 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:19 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:
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So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player.
I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again. If all you have to say is "stop complaining you were lazy and now you deserve it" don't bother responding at all. Get over yourself hot shot. You are so annoying. It was the same when you guys thought Protoss was overpowered and all you built were Marines. Than you found out about Ghosts and Marauders and stopped whinning. God forbide you have to use more than 1 unit to counter like 4 Zerg units. Read a book and learn something.
Again. If you got nothing constructive to say and only resort to shit talking about "us" and how dumb we are, please stop shitting up the thread.
Edit: In fact, the more of your posts I read, the more convinced I get that you're actually trolling at this stage.
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On February 12 2012 10:24 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:19 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:
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So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player.
I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again. If all you have to say is "stop complaining you were lazy and now you deserve it" don't bother responding at all. Get over yourself hot shot. You are so annoying. It was the same when you guys thought Protoss was overpowered and all you built were Marines. Than you found out about Ghosts and Marauders and stopped whinning. God forbide you have to use more than 1 unit to counter like 4 Zerg units. Read a book and learn something.
Um ... what?
When the hell did terrans not use marauders against protoss?
In fact I remember protoss complaining about marauders and ghosts well over a year ago.
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On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:08 Noocta wrote:On February 12 2012 08:41 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
Let me inform you people on the reason why they nerfed the ghost's snipe ability:
In the late game, a lot of the ghosts have 150 energy saved up, if not more. When 2 ghosts can snipe an ultra or broodlord without the Terran losing any units, it's imbalanced. That is effectively removing 4-6 supply of the zerg's army, which is worth roughly 300 minerals and 200 gas, for free. Tier 3 units are meant to be the backbone of all the races' army. So when you can remove those units basically for free, there is a problem. After you remove those units all Zerg is left with are Tier 1 units, zerglings, and maybe some infestors and banelings.
Some may say thats a stretch but let me tell you, it isn't. If you have seen any Terran professionals play, you would know most of them have about 16 ghosts ( If not more ) in the late game versus Zerg. There goes 8 Ultralisks, or 16 Broodlords essentially for free.
Don't waste your time posting a response if you are going to come up with the argument of micro. It is not that micro intesive to pull off. Even if the Terran loses 4 ghosts, he/she is still ahead by miles. Your reasoning is stupid. If we follow that, Feedback is the most broken ability in the game, which we know it isn'"t. Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve.
Um, actually I'm pretty sure terrans used almost exclusively marauder-based bio balls in TvP since tanks were nerfed to be 35(+15) damage back in the beta. I guess these days they're likely to be marine-based rather than marauder based since protoss use chargelot/archon instead of stalker/colossus a lot of the time. Also 1-1-1 was developed in the beta as a way to get a lot of tech out quickly and safely, it kind of died away with the tank nerf and came back with the allins.
In TvZ, mech was supposedly unbeatable up until a TL thread came up with muta magic boxing and Idra used it to beat TLO in a game where he was way behind. Marine/tank has been the basis of the terran army for a really long time.
So, um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, the terran bio ball has been used almost since the beginning.
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On February 12 2012 10:27 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:24 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:19 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:17 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:09 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 10:07 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:00 Dalavita wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
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I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Lets flip that around. Why aren't zergs trying to come up with new strategies to the relatively new endgame ghost play? Only one out of ten ZvTs even get to a MVP vs July stage at this time and I can count like 20 pro TvZs I've seen that has gotten to that point since the first time it happened, and now snipe is getting nerfed when zergs had no time to figure out new things. What is the justification for this? Because Zerg's have been struggling with Snipe for a while. Nothing late game can counter ghosts in the zerg army. And terrans have been struggling with infestor broodlord longer. Nothing late game post snipe can counter it. See what I did there? In fact, my statement is more valid than anything you've said today. Seriously, stop complaining. The nerf was needed get over it. Now you have to build Vikings again, sorry you have to actually use that unit again. You still have snipe, its still viable, it is just not overpowered anymore. You guys got carried away not having to build Vikings since you found Snipe, well now you have to build some again. If all you have to say is "stop complaining you were lazy and now you deserve it" don't bother responding at all. Get over yourself hot shot. You are so annoying. It was the same when you guys thought Protoss was overpowered and all you built were Marines. Than you found out about Ghosts and Marauders and stopped whinning. God forbide you have to use more than 1 unit to counter like 4 Zerg units. Read a book and learn something. Again. If you got nothing constructive to say and only resort to shit talking about "us" and how dumb we are, please stop shitting up the thread. Edit: In fact, the more of your posts I read, the more convinced I get that you're actually trolling at this stage.
I am trying to be constructive. Pretend you never knew about Ghosts and the Snipe aiblity like before, when you built Vikings to counter Broodlords. Now you have both, just that Snipe is less powerful. You guys complained less when you didn't even know about the Ghost and the Snipe ability and just built Vikings. Now combine both and you have a counter to Broodlords.
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On February 12 2012 10:33 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:08 Noocta wrote:On February 12 2012 08:41 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
Let me inform you people on the reason why they nerfed the ghost's snipe ability:
In the late game, a lot of the ghosts have 150 energy saved up, if not more. When 2 ghosts can snipe an ultra or broodlord without the Terran losing any units, it's imbalanced. That is effectively removing 4-6 supply of the zerg's army, which is worth roughly 300 minerals and 200 gas, for free. Tier 3 units are meant to be the backbone of all the races' army. So when you can remove those units basically for free, there is a problem. After you remove those units all Zerg is left with are Tier 1 units, zerglings, and maybe some infestors and banelings.
Some may say thats a stretch but let me tell you, it isn't. If you have seen any Terran professionals play, you would know most of them have about 16 ghosts ( If not more ) in the late game versus Zerg. There goes 8 Ultralisks, or 16 Broodlords essentially for free.
Don't waste your time posting a response if you are going to come up with the argument of micro. It is not that micro intesive to pull off. Even if the Terran loses 4 ghosts, he/she is still ahead by miles. Your reasoning is stupid. If we follow that, Feedback is the most broken ability in the game, which we know it isn'"t. Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Um, actually I'm pretty sure terrans used almost exclusively marauder-based bio balls in TvP since tanks were nerfed to be 35(+15) damage back in the beta. I guess these days they're likely to be marine-based rather than marauder based since protoss use chargelot/archon instead of stalker/colossus a lot of the time. Also 1-1-1 was developed in the beta as a way to get a lot of tech out quickly and safely, it kind of died away with the tank nerf and came back with the allins. In TvZ, mech was supposedly unbeatable up until a TL thread came up with muta magic boxing and Idra used it to beat TLO in a game where he was way behind. Marine/tank has been the basis of the terran army for a really long time. So, um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, the terran bio ball has been used almost since the beginning.
Newsflash guys, this person has the answer to everything. He has figured out all the Terran MU to their limits. No need to to come up with new strategies, just go bio ball since thats what the professionals are doing. I mean, they can't be wrong. They never change their strategies right?
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On February 12 2012 10:38 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:33 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:08 Noocta wrote:
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Your reasoning is stupid.
If we follow that, Feedback is the most broken ability in the game, which we know it isn'"t. Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Um, actually I'm pretty sure terrans used almost exclusively marauder-based bio balls in TvP since tanks were nerfed to be 35(+15) damage back in the beta. I guess these days they're likely to be marine-based rather than marauder based since protoss use chargelot/archon instead of stalker/colossus a lot of the time. Also 1-1-1 was developed in the beta as a way to get a lot of tech out quickly and safely, it kind of died away with the tank nerf and came back with the allins. In TvZ, mech was supposedly unbeatable up until a TL thread came up with muta magic boxing and Idra used it to beat TLO in a game where he was way behind. Marine/tank has been the basis of the terran army for a really long time. So, um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, the terran bio ball has been used almost since the beginning. Newsflash guys, this person has the answer to everything. He has figured out all the Terran MU to their limits. No need to to come up with new strategies, just go bio ball since thats what the professionals are doing. I mean, they can't be wrong. They never change their strategies right?
Just three posts ago you nailed TvZ as impossible to deal with ghost play for the zerg, and now you pull this shit? Are you serious? The worst thing is that your pie toss doesn't even have any relevance to what the person you're quoting is saying.
Screw it, I'm done even attempting to reason with you.
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This patch IMO will break Terran and make even more players jump to Zerg or Protoss. Ive seen many TvZ matches from PROS where they had ghosts and still got destroyed...The only time Ive seen ghosts pwn is because of the Zerg or Protoss players making drastic mistakes with their army. IMO we wont be seeing another Terran win another big event until HOTS or they rebalance the game. Blizzard is seriously ruining this game, and all the bronze-diamond players are supporting their decisions every step of the way. Unfortunate they can't let top players without any race biases part take in balancing because Ive talked to many HIGH Master players that play Z, T, and P....The majority(those who weren't biased towards their race) agreed Terran is rather weak after 15 minutes into the game, and they usually lose because of user error and not ghosts....Nice work Blizz on doing your homework 
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On February 12 2012 10:38 KiLLJoy216 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:33 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:08 Noocta wrote:
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Your reasoning is stupid.
If we follow that, Feedback is the most broken ability in the game, which we know it isn'"t. Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Um, actually I'm pretty sure terrans used almost exclusively marauder-based bio balls in TvP since tanks were nerfed to be 35(+15) damage back in the beta. I guess these days they're likely to be marine-based rather than marauder based since protoss use chargelot/archon instead of stalker/colossus a lot of the time. Also 1-1-1 was developed in the beta as a way to get a lot of tech out quickly and safely, it kind of died away with the tank nerf and came back with the allins. In TvZ, mech was supposedly unbeatable up until a TL thread came up with muta magic boxing and Idra used it to beat TLO in a game where he was way behind. Marine/tank has been the basis of the terran army for a really long time. So, um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, the terran bio ball has been used almost since the beginning. Newsflash guys, this person has the answer to everything. He has figured out all the Terran MU to their limits. No need to to come up with new strategies, just go bio ball since thats what the professionals are doing. I mean, they can't be wrong. They never change their strategies right?
You asked me if I thought terrans used bio balls since the beginning. I answered your question.
It is amusing how your answer to my answer is to flame me, though.
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On February 12 2012 10:43 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:38 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 10:33 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:58 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:51 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:48 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:37 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:33 KiLLJoy216 wrote:On February 12 2012 09:23 Elyvilon wrote:On February 12 2012 09:16 KiLLJoy216 wrote:
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Think about your response a little more next time please. Feedback is not the same as snipe. Feedback can't kill any major unit I can think of. It is outranged by almost everything. Snipe > Feedback. Raven just needs to stay out of range. Same with infestor. And what do you plan to do with this raven? It's not close enough to seeker missile(not that seeker missile does all that much relative to mana cost anyway), PDD does almost nothing against a lategame protoss army, and autoturrets are kind of bleh. Mind you, I do build ravens. I build them as uncloaked observers which cost 3 times as much. My mechanics are poor enough that it's worth it for me to not lose a handful of units to each DT while I'm trying to multitask or whatever. You must be a low level player than. In which case you don't know how to play Terran properly, so your opinion losses some validity. Ever go cloak banshee with viking with raven against Protoss? Its pretty much over for the Protoss. So, your argument is because I never go banshee/viking/raven against protoss I must be a low-level player. I guess some other low-level players include MVP, MMA, Supernova, and Jjakji, along with every other pro. I am so sorry than. You are right up there with MVP and MMA aren't you? Laugh. You said your mechanics are bad so find a strategy that works with that or improve your mechanics. This game hasn't been out long enough for professionals to have it completely figured out yet. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean its wrong. Just because a lot of people smoke cigarettes doesn't mean its the correct thing to do. Think of your own strategies for once and stop trying to copy them you idiot. I have tried banshee/viking/raven, it didn't work very well. You claimed that I must be low-level because I don't realize that banshee/viking/raven is good. I pointed you at some players who I'm sure we can all agree are not low-level who also apparently don't realize banshee/viking/raven is good. I am working on strategies that improve my mechanics, they're called standard play. This is my last post to you if you keep being ignorant. You think the Terran bio ball was always used since the beginning? Wrong. This game is still evolving. If you remember beta than you know what strategies were used. Terran's didn't always have the 1-1-1 build. They are still coming up with new strategies, so stop being an ignorant ass and try and be ahead of the curve. Um, actually I'm pretty sure terrans used almost exclusively marauder-based bio balls in TvP since tanks were nerfed to be 35(+15) damage back in the beta. I guess these days they're likely to be marine-based rather than marauder based since protoss use chargelot/archon instead of stalker/colossus a lot of the time. Also 1-1-1 was developed in the beta as a way to get a lot of tech out quickly and safely, it kind of died away with the tank nerf and came back with the allins. In TvZ, mech was supposedly unbeatable up until a TL thread came up with muta magic boxing and Idra used it to beat TLO in a game where he was way behind. Marine/tank has been the basis of the terran army for a really long time. So, um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, the terran bio ball has been used almost since the beginning. Newsflash guys, this person has the answer to everything. He has figured out all the Terran MU to their limits. No need to to come up with new strategies, just go bio ball since thats what the professionals are doing. I mean, they can't be wrong. They never change their strategies right? You asked me if I thought terrans used bio balls since the beginning. I answered your question. It is amusing how your answer to my answer is to flame me, though.
I am not, but if thats what you think ok. Guess Terran never experimented with Mech.
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I really love this part too LOL "Snipe was becoming too effective against zerg’s most expensive units" Thats funny because a handful of Roaches can kill a Thor outright...Maybe they should nerf roaches against Massive Units? Geez its so sad that the low level Zerg and Protoss players are getting what they need to win, and then the players with a brain and mechanics get a d in their b. I guess I'll b playing Protoss full time next season since Ive already made Masters league after about a month of playing it....While Ive been grinding since release to get Masters w/ Terran..
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