Patch 1.4.3 - Preview Blog - Page 132

On February 11 2012 19:38 RRjr wrote:

Yeah. People are also acting as if its becoming impossible to snipe broodlords. You can still do it and its still effective, but it'll take a few more ghosts or - god forbid - incorporating some other units to deal with this extremely costly Zerg T3. Furthermore snipe becomes even more effective against psionic so I really don't get the hate.

The worry about ultralisk tech switches I also don't get, seeing how Terran can easily scan to anticipate the switch and build tanks and marauders... two units who are still very efficient at dealing with Ultras.

The phoenix change sound nice. Though I wonder how feasible it'll be to afford the beacon plus upgrade in order to deal with mutas who are already out on the map. I feel that unless you open up stargate it won't be all that viable but then again what do I know ^_^

On February 11 2012 19:57 roymarthyup wrote:
one of the biggest problems with the snipe change is that snipe actually has like a 0.5 second "cooldown" and the ghost cannot attack/fire during that cooldown

with the new mousescroll wheel trick you can cast a bunch of snipes at once, however its still limited by the ghost snipe cooldown. also ghosts cannot do their normal DPS while chain sniping

so if snipe is made 25 energy for 25 damage, it wouldnt be THAT bad as long as the 0.5 second cooldown on snipe was removed. Not only that, but the 0.5 second cooldown on snipe should not effect the firing rate of ghosts, meaning if you A-MOVE a group of ghosts then hold down the snipe button and use the mousescroll trick, you could literally spam 100 snipes in 2 seconds while also not messing any of the ghosts autoattacks up. i guess if that was possible, the change wouldnt be so bad

however right now because snipe has like a 0.5 second cooldown AND the fact that you have to consume APM to use it AND the fact that when you use a snipe it RESETS the attack timer of ghosts resulting in less autoattack DPS, when you actually uses ghosts to snipe right now you are losing dps from their autoattack damage, and with a 25 damage snipe it probably becomes completely nonviable to even cast snipe as each bit of APM you use on snipe actually results in a minuscule amount of extra damage being created

On February 11 2012 19:09 SevenShots wrote:
how are you supposed to use a 6 range hsm vs 9range fungal and curroptors, if the zerg actually looks there?
hsm is not usable and way too expensive.
ive experimented with it a lot and in any case i always found other solutions to be better and way more cost efficient.

On February 11 2012 20:07 SevenShots wrote:
i did not say ANYTHING about corruptor range.
and the range of corrupors is completely irrelevant the moment your units are fungald and cant run away anyways.

On February 11 2012 20:08 RRjr wrote:

You're pretending that its easy business for Zerg to insta remax on Ultras. It's not. Use your insanely powerful dropships. Don't let his macro spiral to the point where he can afford to pull off such things. If you do, you deserve to lose. Bringing one unit to instantly obliterate whatever ultras / blords Zerg throws at you is not okay. Deal with it.

Welcome to Zerg / Toss land where you don't always get the get out of jail free card.

On February 11 2012 20:13 Radison wrote:
I really like the patch changes.

I think a lot of you guys are missing, that ghost patch change isn't only introduced to improve balance. It's introduced to improve gameplay. There was something wrong in MVP vs DarkForce game, where DarkForce had whole half of the map, was much more cost effective with BL and Nydus worms during the entire game, and for the last thousands of days MVP was just sitting on one highground main base on Shattered with only ghosts and DarkForce was too scared to attack him at all... I swear MVP had 0 APM for last ten minutes or so.

It's something wrong with the game, if a perfectly viable strategy consists of using 1 unit only which counters every zerg unit with snipe or bonus damage vs light (sometimes both - mutas...) or EMP.

Rock - paper - scissors is a perfectly balanced game. Coinflip as well. Starcraft is meant to be something more than just "a balanced game". Why do you think it has become so popular? Only because of balance?

And yes, there still is something wrong with how much more is toss, and especially zerg punished for not using their chrono / inject in time compared to terrans, who just lol's and drops a bunch of mules on fresh expansion after a fight to mine it in no time at all. Mules should have a cooldown or at least the total energy on OC should be lowered to... 75? Good change in gold minerals mining speed though.

On February 11 2012 19:41 S_SienZ wrote:


Yeah it's not like the Zerg can't afford to build an Ultralisk Cavern AND a Greater Spire at the same time right?

Also, it's not like Warpgates / Terran production where it needs to be slowly accumulated, and scoutable before it gets out of hand. Zergs can literally sac a BL based army and insta remax on Ultras. How you gonna scout that?

On February 11 2012 20:13 Radison wrote:
I really like the patch changes.

I think a lot of you guys are missing, that ghost patch change isn't only introduced to improve balance. It's introduced to improve gameplay. There was something wrong in MVP vs DarkForce game, where DarkForce had whole half of the map, was much more cost effective with BL and Nydus worms during the entire game, and for the last thousands of days MVP was just sitting on one highground main base on Shattered with only ghosts and DarkForce was too scared to attack him at all... I swear MVP had 0 APM for last ten minutes or so.

It's something wrong with the game, if a perfectly viable strategy consists of using 1 unit only which counters every zerg unit with snipe or bonus damage vs light (sometimes both - mutas...) or EMP.

Rock - paper - scissors is a perfectly balanced game. Coinflip as well. Starcraft is meant to be something more than just "a balanced game". Why do you think it has become so popular? Only because of balance?

And yes, there still is something wrong with how much more is toss, and especially zerg punished for not using their chrono / inject in time compared to terrans, who just lol's and drops a bunch of mules on fresh expansion after a fight to mine it in no time at all. Mules should have a cooldown or at least the total energy on OC should be lowered to... 75? Good change in gold minerals mining speed though.

On February 11 2012 20:15 antilyon wrote:

Did you ever saw how corruptors, a tier 2 unit smash a battlecruiser? Yes, that's tier 3, best of the best terran has to offer.
With 20 damage, snipe doesn't worth the required apm anymore and has almost no place outside of sniping casters. And this is just a lazy bad fix. I agree to the fact they were too strong but give a -10 or 15 against massive and they'll still be useful but just not so strong.

It's sad that blizzard is making it even more one dimensional: "If X make Y I'll counter with Z and Z only."
That phrase about making right houses to construct the right robots seem so convenient now.

On February 11 2012 20:20 antilyon wrote:

Because I'm terran I got be ok with a ticking time bomb strapped to my face that will explode if I let the game goes after 20 minutes? Sounds like a legitimate solution.

On February 11 2012 20:19 multiversed wrote:
it sounds like it's 2012 up in here. people be all over-reacting without thinking. they come up with all this defeatist crap and look like weak little betas. lemme give you a quick man lesson.

this patch will not change the matchup short of making TvZ less of a steamroll in the hands of a skilled terran who actually used ghost in the way in which they were intended to be used.

what you are doing right now is making an excuse for losing before you even start to play. it's embarrassing and you look ridiculous. i'd be more concerned with TvP to be honest, not that i play either of those races but i just don't think very many of you have much of any idea about which you speak.

respectfully, multi v esq.

now man the fuck up and we will welcome you back to reality.

On February 11 2012 20:22 FallDownMarigold wrote:



lol. Don't pretend it's easy to max on BL then remax ultra. The eco it takes to do that means u wont see that happen, ever, say on a map like Shakuras. Maybe Terminus/Tal Darim you might get a situation where a Z can remax with that switch, but the thing youre complaining about isnt a huge concern. How often do you let you Z opponent get to max with ~3k/3k in the bank with 5/6 base? dont let that happen lol

On February 11 2012 20:16 Radison wrote:
I also think, that maybe now terrans should experiment with other late game methods to counter BL / Ultras or maybe even some other buffs are needed to make late game more viable for them.