EPTmaybe it is just QQ, but I think this completely ruins early game ghost rushing
. 2 snipes for marines, 2 snipes for lings, and 6 snipes for zeals? wtfux man. edit: removed queens from my list, thanks elyvilon
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tronix
United States95 Posts
maybe it is just QQ, but I think this completely ruins early game ghost rushing . 2 snipes for marines, 2 snipes for lings, and 6 snipes for zeals? wtfux man. edit: removed queens from my list, thanks elyvilon | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:04 Shantastic wrote: Care to back that up at all? Don't worry, I'll back up my statements with fact so that you don't have to Each viking does 20 damage per hit, while each corruptor does 14 damage per hit. This means that you need around 1.12 vikings for each corruptors. Considering that vikings cost 150/75 to the corruptor's 150/100, and that build times are around the same as long as you have two reactored starports, that sounds pretty much in favor of the viking there..It doesn't matter if corruptor and viking are better, because zerg will always be able to produce more corruptor then terran can pump viking when the time is needed. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:04 Shantastic wrote: Care to back that up at all? Don't worry, I'll back up my statements with fact so that you don't have to Each viking does 20 damage per hit, while each corruptor does 14 damage per hit. This means that you need around 1.12 vikings for each corruptors. Considering that vikings cost 100/75 to the corruptor's 150/100, and that build times are around the same as long as you have two reactored starports, that sounds pretty much in favor of the viking there..Well in equal numbers corruptors do beat vikings (note; not equal costs. I dunno bout that, but the original post says corruptors can't beat vikings in 'large, equal numbers', patently untrue). And the build times aren't the same if you factor in reactors because, you know, larva and that. Now in various situations, vikings are clearly superior. Corruptors are balls. But head to head I'd take corruptors any day and in an actual game any zerg who doesn't over do broodlords and keeps his corruptors around is a force to be reckoned with. | ||
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Gl!tch
United States573 Posts
As a protoss, loving the phoenix change. In addition to beeing able to micro against mutas easier now, im thinking flyby's and harass on overlords and medivacs are going to be more viable now. Don't think the snipe nerf realy affects protoss. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
Range 6 is huge! and will devastate mutas. I very much like the mule change, but they should have just said goodbye to the gold bases in general. This might also change PvP as phoenix are getting used in this matchup a lot now. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:12 tronix wrote: im sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but what about snipe vs. workers? maybe it is just QQ, but I think this completely ruins early game ghost rushing . 2 snipes for marines, 2 snipes for lings, 8 snipes for queens (with hp regen), and 6 snipes for zeals? wtfux man. to be fair, queens are actually psionic so it takes the same number of shots to kill them now | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:09 BGrael wrote: How about the games of DRG vs. MMA from Blizzard Cup finals I think, the last game. It was the best game I have ever seen, no ghosts, and MMA won. It was much more entertaining than what usually happens when terran gets ghosts late game: either he is killed before he gets a critical mass of ghosts or the zerg is just rolling over and dies when terran has enough ghosts together. MMA plays an APM intensive crazy drop harass style many of us cannot copy. The zerg doesnt have the opportunity to tech straight up to T3, he needs to make units or he dies. MVP plays a safe macro style, which allows him to mass ghost while playing defensive. | ||
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moQbara
Romania76 Posts
- there is a 30 page thread which discusses how a simple key bind can pretty much enable you to spam this spell over an entire T3 zerg army and nullify it instantly; - I cannot understand why people want to have bonus damage vs light. It's not like there are no terran counters to mutalisk and or that sniping lings / blings is the only way to deal with them (or the best for that matter). Zealots are still vulnerable to ghosts both through EMP and snipe, they just get less damage from them; - sniping an infestor / high templar kills it as opposed to only draining the (rechargeable) energy with EMP; - from my point of view, terran will have to use some *other* damage dealing units to compensate for the loss in DPS for the ghost snipe. This seems to follow a decent game-logic, as having a single unit which can deal with anything is wrong. Phoenix change is nice, it will probably make phoenix openings more common vs. zerg. MULE nerf is pretty much accepted as normal, nothing much to comment about it. | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:06 TheRealDJ wrote: Vikings are only 25 fewer gas, and corruptors have 75 more health and 2 armor. For a corruptor without corruption to kill a viking would take slightly more than 16 seconds(125/7.6dps). A viking would take 20 seconds to kill(200/12-2 dps). Corruptor wins. I don't understand your math.Corruptor - 200 health, 2 armor vs vikings 14attack X 2 = 28damage per cooldown which is 2seconds. 14dps - 2 from armor. So 12dps 200 health/12dps = 16.67 seconds Viking - 125hp, 0 armor vs corruptors attack 14 damage/1.9 cooldown = 7.4dps. 125hp/7.4dps = 16.8seconds In other words what wins is just determined by who attacks first which will always be vikings due to range. Vikings are better. | ||
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jacmac
United States1 Post
mules on gold, glad to see they finally aknowledged this as a bit OP ghost nerf/change... seems like every terran player says there is no counter for corruptor/infestor.... what about viking/ghost? you counter their caster and proceed to engage in air to air? | ||
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:11 babysimba wrote: I like this patch from a zerg's perspective. Mules getting nerfed on gold means ladder maps are getting better. Massing ghosts was pretty ridiculous before due to how easy it was to play turtle terran. Ghosts have too much survivability when paired with medivacs, and they can still attack normally and cloak too. Tank vikings still stomp broods all day anyway. Broods deathball only seems unkillable when zergs have massive air upgrades, which terrans shouldn't let the game get to that point or can choose to respond with their own air upgrades. I want to see a back and forth match-up not a turtlish game, so i will be glad that true TvZ monsters like MMA and MKP will continue to dominate anyway. What? What about the part where zerg just fungals all the Vikings and wipes them all out in 30 seconds? You're just assuming that zerg is going into late game with pure brood and no infestors? LOL 'tank/viking' stomps broods? Oh ok, I've been playing wrong | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:13 The KY wrote: Well in equal numbers corruptors do beat vikings (note; not equal costs. I dunno bout that, but the original post says corruptors can't beat vikings in 'large, equal numbers', patently untrue). And the build times aren't the same if you factor in reactors because, you know, larva and that. Now in various situations, vikings are clearly superior. Corruptors are balls. But head to head I'd take corruptors any day and in an actual game any zerg who doesn't over do broodlords and keeps his corruptors around is a force to be reckoned with. Ìt doesn't matter either way. When a zerg have corruptors he's got infestors as well and fungal + corruptors wreaks the vikings. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:14 bucckevin wrote: MMA plays an APM intensive crazy drop harass style many of us cannot copy. The zerg doesnt have the opportunity to tech straight up to T3, he needs to make units or he dies. MVP plays a safe macro style, which allows him to mass ghost while playing defensive. Yeah MMA is more of a constant aggression/keep up the pressure style to get more bases type of terran that makes zerg scared to tech up too high MVP's style is more of a passive "I don't really need to drop/harass you, because my macro and unit composition is going to be better than yours if you try attacking into me" | ||
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Primal666
Slovenia418 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:17 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand your math.Corruptor - 200 health, 2 armor vs vikings 14attack X 2 = 28damage per cooldown which is 2seconds. 14dps - 2 from armor. So 12dps 200 health/12dps = 16.67 seconds Viking - 125hp, 0 armor vs corruptors attack 14 damage/1.9 cooldown = 7.4dps. 125hp/7.4dps = 16.8seconds In other words what wins is just determined by who attacks first which will always be vikings due to range. Vikings are better. Does no one use Corruption anymore? Weird. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:17 gruff wrote: Ìt doesn't matter either way. When a zerg have corruptors he's got infestors as well and fungal + corruptors wreaks the vikings. Yeah it's all academic of course, who the fuck cares if corruptors couldn't beat vikings cost effectively without fungals because fungals do exist and zerg will have them. Just someone said something objectively wrong and I felt the need to put it straight  | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
I did forget about corruption but that is easily made up for vikings 3 more range and the fact that they benefit far more from upgrades. | ||
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Razakel
Ireland466 Posts
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Entteri
Finland108 Posts
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