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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
As an example, a Terran 1-1-1 against a Protoss (I can't site an example right now) would be very effective and can kill of the Protoss at the 14 minute mark if the Protoss doesn't defend properly. However when the contain is broken and Terran retreats, they still stay in the game despite having a very distinct disadvantage of going for a strategy that was intended for an mid game kill but did not work. I might be completely wrong though and if someone can prove/tell me otherwise, please do! | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
One thing I'd like to add and put in question is that to me Terrans also seem to stay in games waaaay after the've already ,ore or less lost whereas zergs seem to throw in the (too) early GG more. I guess this would makes sense seeing as Terran has pretty good defensive abilities and are therefore hard to kill whereas if you lose too much as Zerg you do not have anything to fall back on at your base. | ||
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dde
Canada796 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:15 Cereb wrote: Interesting. One thing I'd like to add and put in question is that to me Terrans also seem to stay in games waaaay after the've already ,ore or less lost whereas zergs seem to throw in the (too) early GG more. I guess this would makes sense seeing as Terran has pretty good defensive abilities and are therefore hard to kill whereas if you lose too much as Zerg you do not have anything to fall back on at your base. lol so biased | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
It hides the clear trend that the later the game goes, zerg winrate increases and terran winrate declines. I'd suggest using horizontal lines instead if you want to display the overall winrates. Otherwise its a very nice statistic to look at, looking forward to more of this. | ||
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On February 05 2012 06:22 ZeroTalent wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8Wfcc.png) This is why the snipe nerf is dumb fix something early game 35% winrate lategame is pretty bad | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:15 Cereb wrote: Interesting. One thing I'd like to add and put in question is that to me Terrans also seem to stay in games waaaay after the've already ,ore or less lost whereas zergs seem to throw in the (too) early GG more. I guess this would makes sense seeing as Terran has pretty good defensive abilities and are therefore hard to kill whereas if you lose too much as Zerg you do not have anything to fall back on at your base. If an attack fails, there is no need to gg out immediately, because you have a chance to equalize the situation until your opponent capitalizes on his advantage (tech, eco, units). If you defense fails, you are dead. Terran are nearly always the attacking party. Zerg nearly always the defending one. If a Terran eats a 6-gate and toss tears down bunkers and razes the natural, the terran gg's out. If the terran holds, the toss stays in. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:56 Zdrastochye wrote: The ZvT match over time graph makes me chuckle. Does anyone else chuckle over it? It's quite chuckle-worthy. It just makes me sad when blizzard nerfs a lategame ability when T is already 35% in lategame. Is it that hard to give vikings a few more dmg against bio and give zerg better scoutting for the early game? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:13 thezanursic wrote: It just makes me sad when blizzard nerfs a lategame ability when T is already 35% in lategame. Is it that hard to give vikings a few more dmg against bio and give zerg better scoutting for the early game? Nah mang, just make banelings worth 2x their cost. Either cuts muta balls up in size or there's far less banes, which means less tanks needed, which means more marines! Who needs other units when you have those guys? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
Very biased... but there is an element of truth to it actually >.> | ||
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david0925
212 Posts
I'm not arguing for or against Terran late game, but as far as I know Terrans try to finish their games very early. So if the late game count is drastically lower than mid game it might be at least part of the reason. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:25 thezanursic wrote: This is why the snipe nerf is dumb fix something early game 35% winrate lategame is pretty bad On February 11 2012 21:13 thezanursic wrote: It just makes me sad when blizzard nerfs a lategame ability when T is already 35% in lategame. Is it that hard to give vikings a few more dmg against bio and give zerg better scoutting for the early game? lol, so you think better scouting for Z will fix the overall terran 68% win ratio in first 10 minutes of the game.... no, some major nerf to terran early game would have to be made, for example nerfing marines or inability of cc lift, but i can't imagine what outrage would it cause looking at the snipe nerf discussion. I'd be more than happy to see terran late game buffed in exchange, because as much as i love the diversity of each race, I don't want to get to the state where one race is only for turtling, second is only for cheesing and third is somewhere inbetween. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:34 david0925 wrote: I really want to see the number of games involved in the game length winning percentage in each data point. I'm not arguing for or against Terran late game, but as far as I know Terrans try to finish their games very early. So if the late game count is drastically lower than mid game it might be at least part of the reason. The trend of getting 3 fast orbital in TvZ recenlty totaly show that indeed. /facepalm | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
At the 10 minute mark, Terran does a marine tank push to 'pressure the Zerg' (it's an all in). Zergs get mutas out afterwards and lolz Terran around for 10 minutes. Terran can do nothing but turtle until max on 3 bases. Terran finally goes for it at 20 minutes into the game, but Zerg arrives with 5 brood lords and 8 infestors after losing the first engagement. Terran loses a 10 minute game at the 25 minute mark. With Protoss, if your blink all in fails, or your dt rush is spotted, zerg makes 200/200 and attacks. | ||
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Val_
Ukraine156 Posts
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ActionpointTV
60 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:15 Cereb wrote: Interesting. One thing I'd like to add and put in question is that to me Terrans also seem to stay in games waaaay after the've already ,ore or less lost whereas zergs seem to throw in the (too) early GG more. I guess this would makes sense seeing as Terran has pretty good defensive abilities and are therefore hard to kill whereas if you lose too much as Zerg you do not have anything to fall back on at your base. This arguments can be used the other way: Terrans cheese early-mid game, because they have a hard time fighting against late Z or P, and it would also be confirmed by most terran players imo. Then, the fact that Terrans have same problems with P lategame, shows that there is something wrong with Terran late army composition, given reality that P like to cheese in pvt as much as T and therefor should have same late game win rate if everything were balanced. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
-most of people will make wrong conclusions, so it doesn't matter anyway :D | ||
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bashalisk
102 Posts
Would you mind sharing the sample size and a breakdown between races, if possible? | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
Anybody thought of WHY so many terrans go for those all- ins. Hint; lategame is retarded. | ||
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Kingy604
United Kingdom54 Posts
also it is hardly 35%, more like 38/39 | ||
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