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On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:14 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:12 NKaeris wrote:
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You've written some of the most hateful comments i've ever read on TL. They have no basis and seem to be written for the sole purpose of bringing down Vile. Before you speak again, I'd suggest you do some research to back your claims. Back off the guns kid, if you have a concern express it with proper arguments not ad hominem bullshit. What claims need more research from my part? Everything I said can be verified, if you're informed you won't have any problem to recognize it, but you didn't tell me which one of them is in the "wrong". Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion. You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single major event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, an insomnia 44, add to this numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me.
Personally I would rather have a team with a bunch of young talented players that have a lot to prove in this team league than a one or two man team that only cares about individual results. Vile would be more fun to watch in a team league than Millennium imo.
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On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:14 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:12 NKaeris wrote:
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You've written some of the most hateful comments i've ever read on TL. They have no basis and seem to be written for the sole purpose of bringing down Vile. Before you speak again, I'd suggest you do some research to back your claims. Back off the guns kid, if you have a concern express it with proper arguments not ad hominem bullshit. What claims need more research from my part? Everything I said can be verified, if you're informed you won't have any problem to recognize it, but you didn't tell me which one of them is in the "wrong". Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion. You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single major event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, an insomnia 44, add to this numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me.
And yet this isn't an individual event. And every teamleague milenium has been in they have flopped out hard of. (If they didn't forfeit beforehand)
edit: Lets' go off this.
Last time Mill faced Diginitas. They lost.
Last time Vile faced Diginitas. They won.
Therefore, Vile>Mill. My logic is honestly as good as yours
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On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:14 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:12 NKaeris wrote:
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You've written some of the most hateful comments i've ever read on TL. They have no basis and seem to be written for the sole purpose of bringing down Vile. Before you speak again, I'd suggest you do some research to back your claims. Back off the guns kid, if you have a concern express it with proper arguments not ad hominem bullshit. What claims need more research from my part? Everything I said can be verified, if you're informed you won't have any problem to recognize it, but you didn't tell me which one of them is in the "wrong". Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion. You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me.
So wait, we can't use online team league results as achievements when we are talking about an online team league? What the fuck?
What don't you get about Vile is an up and coming team? They haven't had the opportunities like Liquid and EG has. Vile won their IPL TAC qualifier. And yeah, they are in the losers bracket because they went up against FXO, a team full of Koreans. Millennium would have lost too. The only Korean teams to have lost so far lost to another Korean team. coL.MVP didn't play any koreans while Liquid did so they don't count. But Vile bounced back and beat Dignitas. Its easy to say they haven't posted results when you ignore the ones they have. Are you really citing the IPL TAC1 when Vile wasn't even invited to play in it? In that case, why didn't Millennium win it?
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On February 08 2012 07:05 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 07:00 NKexquisite wrote:On February 08 2012 06:49 NeonFox wrote:On February 08 2012 06:47 JeffVader wrote:On February 08 2012 06:40 JPoPP wrote: I'm kinda annoyed at Husky and Psy for getting vile to the top, Vile really has no chance vs the teams that are already invited and they don't really have the top players people like to see at least if Mill gets in we can see Stephano and Feast. Maybe Millenium can rally the troops also... Vile has some of the most impressive up and coming players in the World, and arguably the best team of U.S. players in the world. VERY arguably then. Don't get me wrong I like Psy, Hawk and Illusion but you're stretching it a bit. It's clear you need to review Vile's roster I don't think any of viles players are even considered "pro" right now, they are all "semi-pro" and to be frank, I don't see vile taking any games off of any team that's already invited.
Well EG is going to be there so that is auto win for Vile.
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On February 08 2012 09:09 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:14 Hydroxyl wrote:
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Back off the guns kid, if you have a concern express it with proper arguments not ad hominem bullshit. What claims need more research from my part? Everything I said can be verified, if you're informed you won't have any problem to recognize it, but you didn't tell me which one of them is in the "wrong". Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion. You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me. So wait, we can't use online team league results as achievements when we are talking about an online team league? What the fuck? What don't you get about Vile is an up and coming team? They haven't had the opportunities like Liquid and EG has. Vile won their IPL TAC qualifier. And yeah, they are in the losers bracket because they went up against FXO, a team full of Koreans. Millennium would have lost too. But they bounced back and beat Dignitas. Its easy to say they haven't posted results when you ignore the ones they have. Are you really citing the IPL TAC1 when Vile wasn't even invited to play in it? In that case, why didn't Millennium win it?
Hey man, it's best to ignore him. He is either a troll, or a die-hard anti-fan. Either way, he is not going to budge on his opinion.
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On February 08 2012 09:12 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:09 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:
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Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion.
You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me. So wait, we can't use online team league results as achievements when we are talking about an online team league? What the fuck? What don't you get about Vile is an up and coming team? They haven't had the opportunities like Liquid and EG has. Vile won their IPL TAC qualifier. And yeah, they are in the losers bracket because they went up against FXO, a team full of Koreans. Millennium would have lost too. But they bounced back and beat Dignitas. Its easy to say they haven't posted results when you ignore the ones they have. Are you really citing the IPL TAC1 when Vile wasn't even invited to play in it? In that case, why didn't Millennium win it? Hey man, it's best to ignore him. He is either a troll, or a die-hard anti-fan. Either way, he is not going to budge on his opinion.
True. Stupid people just... ugh haha. Can't wait to see Vile in this league.
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On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem.
Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 08 2012 09:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:12 Bagration wrote:On February 08 2012 09:09 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:
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Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe?
You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia.
Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me. So wait, we can't use online team league results as achievements when we are talking about an online team league? What the fuck? What don't you get about Vile is an up and coming team? They haven't had the opportunities like Liquid and EG has. Vile won their IPL TAC qualifier. And yeah, they are in the losers bracket because they went up against FXO, a team full of Koreans. Millennium would have lost too. But they bounced back and beat Dignitas. Its easy to say they haven't posted results when you ignore the ones they have. Are you really citing the IPL TAC1 when Vile wasn't even invited to play in it? In that case, why didn't Millennium win it? Hey man, it's best to ignore him. He is either a troll, or a die-hard anti-fan. Either way, he is not going to budge on his opinion. True. Stupid people just... ugh haha. Can't wait to see Vile in this league.
Go Vile!
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On February 08 2012 09:07 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:52 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:46 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:33 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 08:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 08:05 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:40 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 07:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 08 2012 07:14 Hydroxyl wrote:
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Back off the guns kid, if you have a concern express it with proper arguments not ad hominem bullshit. What claims need more research from my part? Everything I said can be verified, if you're informed you won't have any problem to recognize it, but you didn't tell me which one of them is in the "wrong". Dude all you have done is bitch about Vile getting support from Husky. You took a jab at Spanishiwa too. Do you even realize that he has made it into the championship bracket at MLG Providence, the most stacked tournament outside of Korea? And do you know who knocked him out? His teammate Vile.Illusion. You don't have a clue about Vile or their players. Wow where do I take a jab at them if even you don't read it in the way you want people to believe? You seem to not deal well with their results and can't accept that they didn't go anywhere in the events you mentionned, and you try to give me a lesson about getting informed about Vile and their players? Did Spanishiwa placed higher in the sum of all the MLG he attended than Stephano's first shot? No and that's not "taking a jab" at him or "having no clue" if I state it the way it is. Why do you infere that getting into Championship bracket is even that of an achievement when the open bracket is plagued with players like Chance and Darkcell that didn't make it? Eventually they would meet each other and one would get the upper hand, nothing that difficult to figure out, it's mathematic, just look at the brackets you can find them on liquipedia. Now how do you see me having no clue when I have all the datas on the matter, and expressed them in an accurate fashion? You seem to have a deal with yourself if you have to reject on others the flaws from your delusive theory. Back on page 32 you say Spanishiwa is just hype. You seem to ignore their results. Yeah Stephano is good, everyone knows this. But that doesn't change the fact that Vile has some very good players on their roster as well. Getting to the Championship bracket at MLG Providence is impressive. Look at that bracket: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence/ChampionshipBracketLook at Vile's recent team league results. Their qualifier for IPL TAC they beat MTW 4-0. Team Clash 5-2, imba.FXO 5-3, and Zenex (yeah the Korean Zenex) 5-1. NS HoSeo was in the qualifier but didnt make it far enough to play Vile. Then in the TAC, they felll 5-3 to FXO, and Illusion almost forced an ace match. Then they just beat Dignitas. Thats pretty damn impressive. What has Millenium done in team leagues? Yeah Spanishiwa is just hype, what results did he backed for the hype he gets? None, that doesn't mean he bad, that means he's wait I said, hype. And I'm nice to still give him this edge since he had already many MLG to prove it and didn't live up to it. As we both say, there are bracket available, but you read them differently than I do, so let's have a look at them, will you? He has beaten in Providence, the last one he participated and the one where his play was the most improved since he's been around for longer, KarmyRH, Buzzbin, PainUser, KawaiiRice, then lost to TLO, then beaten theognis, then lost to Illusion. Was it impressive? Not in any way, that line up is even worse than what you can find in weekly cups. Was it bad? Not. Doesn't take off my point, but don't make me say what I haven't for the mere sake of evilizing it. There's no need to be heavy hearted about it or overly exagerated in your expressions for the love of dramatic tones. Still made it to the championship bracket while some very good players didn't. Also nice of you to ignore Vile's team league success. Yeah because I am paid to educate yourself about every single misinformed point you make... not. And you should take the time to actually read what you're answering, it is getting absurd. If he made it to championship bracket and that some very good players didn't obviously don't say anything about the level between him and said very good players, it only comes down to how were drawn the brackets. Oh and yeah those online cross server at times of the day that you won't probably expect team league games where I still can't find Vile on any podium finish nonetheless are a good and legit example of "achievements". Soon serious ladder business will come into the debate and I feel like your bag is full of youtube games casted by Husky and Psy to "prove" me wrong. Doom incoming. Where are Millienium's team league results? They didn't even attempt to qualify for IPL TAC. What are Vile's team league results? When I check IPL TAC1 I see top 3 QIM MOUZ COLMVP, when I check IPL TAC2 I see they them in looser bracket already after the first round. Man stop delusing yourself, is that seriously what you call results so far? I'm not selling them yet but if you have inside information about their future matches don't be so obvious when spoiling it over here, it's usually not well seen. Also if you take online teamleagues results as actual achievements for a team over LAN achievements when Vile didn't win a single major event when Millenium, since you have something to go against it, won a MLG, an IPL, an ESWC, an EPS, an insomnia 44, add to this numerous french and polish lans, not talking about online local tournaments (same server, same frame time), there's no match if you ask me. And yet this isn't an individual event. And every teamleague milenium has been in they have flopped out hard of. (If they didn't forfeit beforehand) edit: Lets' go off this. Last time Mill faced Diginitas. They lost. Last time Vile faced Diginitas. They won. Therefore, Vile>Mill. My logic is honestly as good as yours
You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.
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On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
What you dont understand is that Psy is a part of Vile and casts many of their games, and Husky has casted many vile games and had vile member interviews. Therefor those viewers of Psy and Husky that really watch their videos know who vile is. So this statement of yours is stupid and invalid.
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On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.
And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?
#hypocrisy
You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.
Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)
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Go Team Vile! Can't wait to see Illusion & Spanishiwa in action 
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On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy Show nested quote +You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)
C'mon man, don't bother with him. Hydroxyl is not receptive to rationality and no matter how much evidence you throw at him, he will not change his opinion because his mind is utterly closed.
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team vile on 1? never heard of them...
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On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy Show nested quote +You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)
I tried this tactic on him before, but he couldn't understand the logic and intent behind imitating his ridiculous argument.
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Where is Team liquid in this?
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On February 08 2012 09:23 BrownBagin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. What you dont understand is that Psy is a part of Vile and casts many of their games, and Husky has casted many vile games and had vile member interviews. Therefor those viewers of Psy and Husky that really watch their videos know who vile is. So this statement of yours is stupid and invalid.
And yet again you fail to read lol, why do you think I bothered to write "some people", do you think I have some personnality trouble like some posters here like dAphreak or 1Eris1 that can't seem to be able to choose on which foot to dance when they argue? If you think that point is irrelevant, then find those posters and answer them directly instead of hijacking and polluting my posts with your fallacious attempts. Now that's pretty bold, if I had to answer you, to claim having such information about Husky and Psy viewership, as for myself when I was listening to their casts casually I didn't have any clue about Vile and they didn't give me a clue about them before I looked myself into the scene. Your point is a nothing more than a whish.
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Team Vile Fighting!!!!
Illusion and State rock my SOX
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wait how the fuck did vile jump up lol they were like so far down now #1 :O. still think the voting thing is dumb why not put a qualifier? 
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