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Mazra
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark2 Posts
February 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#761
It's hilarious how butthurt some people get over this.

I wasn't going to vote, but then I read the 30+ pages of Hydro whining about Vile, so I decided to vote for Vile.

Please cry for me.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 08 2012 01:29 GMT
#762
On February 08 2012 10:25 v1nce wrote:
Yeah millenium did a news to tell theirs fan to go vote but how can you compare that with vile getting a video on youtube and a thread on #1 page reddit?

Whatever, i will watch the tournament anyways for sure, but that's not really fair.


Popularity contests by their very nature, are unfair.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 01:41:21
February 08 2012 01:37 GMT
#763
LOL and team vile won i hope they do well because i love starcraft
DeMusliM !!!
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 01:42:49
February 08 2012 01:41 GMT
#764
On February 08 2012 10:21 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



Fans of Millenium SC2? No not necessarily. Nice try though.

Err, how is talking about teamleagues offtopic when this thread is about a teamleague?

And 4PL? Yeah, with such competition as Team Sc2Replays.dk or Exilits Legion. For all this skill they managed to finish 4th, behind the actual known teams in the tournament (ESC, IMBA.FXO)

And, I'm clowning. What was your arguement again?...something about a popularity contest being unfair...err
Ahh that's right. You're just upset that your team didn't get in either. Guess what, neither did mine! (I voted for Light) But you don't see me pouting about it.


LOL that's even more funny when you still don't read my posts after I told you to do so before answering further as you're alway off on your arguments, and you still answer without doing so.

Yeah they're fans of Millenium.SC2 otherwise they wouldn't read a news posted in sc2 section in Millenium.org (try to find this news in LOL news sections for instance you won't find it. Nice try though.

For this point I will refer to the first sentence of this post, and that's not overdoing it I think since you still can't do it.

4PL yeah you picked one them and you only looked at the finish bracket when there was a groupstage where M beat those teams that YOU only know (yaay for not knowing the scene deep enough that you claim only ESC and IMBA.FXO are known teams lol).

What was my argument again? >>>>>>> first line of this post. (PS: totally not something about a popularity contest being unfair. Nice try and so on keyboard warrior memes are badasses and catchy)

I'm upset well it seems you know about my actual feelings from my posts, who I voted for (If I ever voted lol) and what is my favorite team (If I have one), you must be internetomancer! (#etymology - before you ask)
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
February 08 2012 01:49 GMT
#765
On February 08 2012 10:25 v1nce wrote:
Yeah millenium did a news to tell theirs fan to go vote but how can you compare that with vile getting a video on youtube and a thread on #1 page reddit?

Whatever, i will watch the tournament anyways for sure, but that's not really fair.


well the youtube video was made by a member of team vile, so that seems pretty fair. Stephano/Adelscott/Tarson could have made a video on youtube just as easily. And then the top reddit thread was created by community members. Pretty sure there could have been a reddit thread started that supported millennium
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 08 2012 01:54 GMT
#766
Yeah Vile! Can't wait to find out who the other teams are.
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tHe_Machinist
Profile Joined February 2012
Austria1 Post
February 08 2012 01:55 GMT
#767
team vile ftwwwwwwwww
SpawnStarcraft
Profile Joined February 2012
Croatia6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 01:58:00
February 08 2012 01:56 GMT
#768
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it.

Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so?

Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth.

Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books.

Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you?

And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole!


- a loyal fan of Team Vile
"It's only illegal if you get caught." - Al Bundy
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
February 08 2012 01:57 GMT
#769
On February 08 2012 10:49 Clank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:25 v1nce wrote:
Yeah millenium did a news to tell theirs fan to go vote but how can you compare that with vile getting a video on youtube and a thread on #1 page reddit?

Whatever, i will watch the tournament anyways for sure, but that's not really fair.


well the youtube video was made by a member of team vile, so that seems pretty fair. Stephano/Adelscott/Tarson could have made a video on youtube just as easily. And then the top reddit thread was created by community members. Pretty sure there could have been a reddit thread started that supported millennium


Too bad other people couldn't arrive at these obvious conclusions.

Go Vile!
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 08 2012 02:00 GMT
#770
On February 08 2012 10:41 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:21 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



Fans of Millenium SC2? No not necessarily. Nice try though.

Err, how is talking about teamleagues offtopic when this thread is about a teamleague?

And 4PL? Yeah, with such competition as Team Sc2Replays.dk or Exilits Legion. For all this skill they managed to finish 4th, behind the actual known teams in the tournament (ESC, IMBA.FXO)

And, I'm clowning. What was your arguement again?...something about a popularity contest being unfair...err
Ahh that's right. You're just upset that your team didn't get in either. Guess what, neither did mine! (I voted for Light) But you don't see me pouting about it.


LOL that's even more funny when you still don't read my posts after I told you to do so before answering further as you're alway off on your arguments, and you still answer without doing so.

Yeah they're fans of Millenium.SC2 otherwise they wouldn't read a news posted in sc2 section in Millenium.org (try to find this news in LOL news sections for instance you won't find it. Nice try though.

For this point I will refer to the first sentence of this post, and that's not overdoing it I think since you still can't do it.

4PL yeah you picked one them and you only looked at the finish bracket when there was a groupstage where M beat those teams that YOU only know (yaay for not knowing the scene deep enough that you claim only ESC and IMBA.FXO are known teams lol).

What was my argument again? >>>>>>> first line of this post. (PS: totally not something about a popularity contest being unfair. Nice try and so on keyboard warrior memes are badasses and catchy)

I'm upset well it seems you know about my actual feelings from my posts, who I voted for (If I ever voted lol) and what is my favorite team (If I have one), you must be internetomancer! (#etymology - before you ask)



For someone who "didn't vote" and doesn't have a "favorite team", you're sure getting rather upset.

Oh well. Hope you tune in to watch Vile play!
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
February 08 2012 02:39 GMT
#771
OGM OMG OMG. Vile got invited!!!

State, Illusion, Hashe and Ddoro Fighting! You boys took on FXO, EG MCSL Top 3 here we goooo
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
SturmWyvern
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
February 08 2012 02:41 GMT
#772
On February 08 2012 06:58 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 06:53 SpawnStarcraft wrote:
On February 08 2012 06:52 Chytilova wrote:
On February 08 2012 06:34 Hydroxyl wrote:
The thing is that people who voted on Husky and Psy's order coming from youtube won't probably ever look for the games and add viewers to the cup.


False, I am making a point to watch every vile team league game in IPL TAC2 and would do the same if they made this.


Agreed!


Good to know you're the only one that voted for Vile coming from Husky and Psy, oh wait why there's only a couple of fingers standing up when it's about thousands of votes. You're proving my point if anything, they don't probably know about esport and TL, and that's why they aren't stalking here anymore after voting.


I'm still stalking . If anything, Husky and Psy are offering people a chance to become more valuable members of the SC@ community (just as many other people have said). I hope that you understand that Vile winning the poll will actually promote the community just as much (and probably more so) than if any other team had won it. No way in heck would I have watched this if I hadn't been directed here by Psy.
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
February 08 2012 02:42 GMT
#773
On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it.

Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so?

Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth.

Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books.

Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you?

And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole!


- a loyal fan of Team Vile


You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone.

If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough.
And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste.

Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned?

Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles.
Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful.

Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard.

Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so.

About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did.

And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here

Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance).

And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !)

Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster.
SturmWyvern
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
February 08 2012 02:45 GMT
#774
On February 08 2012 07:26 Fionn wrote:
If this was a vote for best team, FXO should be leading by 10,000 votes. But they aren't, so I voted for Team Vile since they're a fun up-and-coming team with a great logo, likable players, and have shown promise in the IPL Arena. I don't get why people are mad that they're winning; it's not like the two European teams at the top didn't campaign as well. Like I said, FXO is much better than the three teams at the top, but this is a popularity contest, so I'll go with the team that I enjoy the most out of the three top vote getters.


This is one of the most reasonable posts I have read insofar, and it gives me hope to become part of the SC2/TL community. Thanks for being a great sport and presenting ideas in a clear and understandable fashion. As a newer forum member I look to your post for inspiration on how to behave myself while presenting my opinions.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
February 08 2012 02:50 GMT
#775
On February 08 2012 10:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
Yeah Vile! Can't wait to find out who the other teams are.


I'm rooting for Liquid/oGs/Esahara (not sure if they can be called this though.. I'd imagine that Liquid still has their partnership with oGs but since oGs is now oGs/e-sahara its possible?) and startale/quantic. Would complete an amazing lineup of teams!
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 08 2012 02:53 GMT
#776
Congrats to vile!!

Can't wait to see some great games out of them!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
SpawnStarcraft
Profile Joined February 2012
Croatia6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:54:58
February 08 2012 02:57 GMT
#777
On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it.

Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so?

Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth.

Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books.

Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you?

And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole!


- a loyal fan of Team Vile


You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone.

If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough.
And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste.

Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned?

Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles.
Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful.

Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard.

Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so.

About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did.

And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here

Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance).

And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !)

Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster.



LOL... my point exactly... you're a *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep*. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another *BEEP* in a decade or so.

GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won!
"It's only illegal if you get caught." - Al Bundy
Waah
Profile Joined February 2011
United States120 Posts
February 08 2012 03:01 GMT
#778
Congrats to Vile.
Hm, there are two more teams TBA? Now I'm curious.
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:18:38
February 08 2012 03:13 GMT
#779
On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:
On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.

I don't see the problem.


Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here.
One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov.
And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov.



And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them?

#hypocrisy


You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent.


Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none)


I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile.

#fail analogy

Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other.
I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions?



If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it.

Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so?

Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth.

Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books.

Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you?

And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole!


- a loyal fan of Team Vile


You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone.

If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough.
And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste.

Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned?

Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles.
Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful.

Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard.

Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so.

About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did.

And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here

Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance).

And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !)

Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster.



LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so.

GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won!


Oh the mask fell... Hi troll. Was it that necessary, in all seriousness, to put so much effort into hidding it only to make it avort when it didn't catch on?

No point continuing to embarass yourself indeed, when your last resort is to twist the story and quicky storm out by slamming the door behind you. Too bad there's no such door on the internet and your ill-founded statement will alway come back at you.

I'm a /throw your hate here/ well you show much more imagination in your slurs than your actual argumentations, looks like we can see what's you're the most comfortable with.

And yeah fall into more caricature, I wonder about your age or mentality if the name of what you use to compare me with don't trigger any last alarm reason in your mind. Eh I don't even know why it is used by e-warriors, it's really overused, not really quite what you want to look like the new shit over here but eh, what do I know about how to be an internet badass.

dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 08 2012 03:31 GMT
#780
new invited team is IM!!!!!!!!!!

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