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On February 08 2012 12:13 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here  Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won!  Oh the mask fell... Hi troll. Was it that necessary, in all seriousness, to put so much effort into hidding it only to make it avort when it didn't catch on? No point continuing to embarass yourself indeed, when your last resort is to twist the story and quicky storm out by slamming the door behind you. Too bad there's no such door on the internet and your ill-founded statement will alway come back at you. I'm a /throw your hate here/ well you show much more imagination in your slurs than your actual argumentations, looks like we can see what's you're the most comfortable with. And yeah fall into more caricature, I wonder about your age or mentality if the name of what you use to compare me with don't trigger any last alarm reason in your mind. Eh I don't even know why it is used by e-warriors, it's really overused, not really quite what you want to look like the new shit over here but eh, what do I know about how to be an internet badass.
Just because you can't comprehend the intent of imitation doesn't mean it is ill used. You should try understanding the purpose instead of just quickly discarding them as insults. Believe it or not, there is deeper meaning despite you blindly refusing to try and see it.
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Hydroxyl, do you realize that no one agrees with you? You are making zero sense.
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On February 08 2012 11:50 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
Yeah Vile! Can't wait to find out who the other teams are. I'm rooting for Liquid/oGs/Esahara (not sure if they can be called this though.. I'd imagine that Liquid still has their partnership with oGs but since oGs is now oGs/e-sahara its possible?) and startale/quantic. Would complete an amazing lineup of teams!
Liquids partnership with oGs has never been like that. Its just a living arrangement really. They played in GSTL together, but thats it.
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On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won!
Ignore him man. He's just a troll. I would also censor that post a bit too. He just wants to prompt a reaction to satiate his need for attention, and there no reason for you to get banned because of him.
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On February 08 2012 12:33 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:13 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won! Oh the mask fell... Hi troll. Was it that necessary, in all seriousness, to put so much effort into hidding it only to make it avort when it didn't catch on? No point continuing to embarass yourself indeed, when your last resort is to twist the story and quicky storm out by slamming the door behind you. Too bad there's no such door on the internet and your ill-founded statement will alway come back at you. I'm a /throw your hate here/ well you show much more imagination in your slurs than your actual argumentations, looks like we can see what's you're the most comfortable with. And yeah fall into more caricature, I wonder about your age or mentality if the name of what you use to compare me with don't trigger any last alarm reason in your mind. Eh I don't even know why it is used by e-warriors, it's really overused, not really quite what you want to look like the new shit over here but eh, what do I know about how to be an internet badass. Just because you can't comprehend the intent of imitation doesn't mean it is ill used. You should try understanding the purpose instead of just quickly discarding them as insults. Believe it or not, there is deeper meaning despite you blindly refusing to try and see it.
Just because you can't express a proper answer to a point doesn't mean that trying to mock what is actually solid enough to resist your straight arguments either stands a valid argumenation in itself either removes anything from the said point. Now you talk about insults but you fail to understand my point, I'm just talking about validity, nothing personnal, just either a misuse either misunderstanding that I want to clear, for the purpose of having a proper discussion, of langage and its purposes.
Now you come with made-up judgements and ad hoc explanations as why I would ever dismiss someone's attempt to answer my point by a clowning and make up conclusions on the fly that he proved the contrary of it because of it, is because I can't understand his point rather than that because I understand that it doesn't stand on the first hand, and that his method of doing so doesn't grants him to claims he wants it to grant on the second hand.
Now since you talk about depth, I'm going to go deeper as I will tell you, to answer your invalid point (yes it is a statement, however I back it up), is there any reason why you and the initiator of this imitation can't or don't want to express neither their intent nor the point they want to back up with it? The plot thickens as the blame is not to put on being not understood but 1) being not understandable or 2) being wrong and dismissed. Despite what you want to advance, there's that possibilty, and most probably, considering the need to use this resort and intellectual hijack to bring back your beliefs on the table after them being whiped in a straight fashion, that if it's rejected, it is not because it is not understand, but rather well understood.
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On February 08 2012 12:47 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won! Ignore him man. He's just a troll. I would also censor that post a bit too. He just wants to prompt a reaction to satiate his need for attention, and there no reason for you to get banned because of him.
You're right. I've modified the previous post. Thanks for the heads up (I appreciate it). Ban or no ban... Vile won Nothing can change that... not even a little *beep* *beeeeeeeeep* *beep* *beeeep* *beep* like him.
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On February 08 2012 12:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hydroxyl, do you realize that no one agrees with you? You are making zero sense.
A couple of delusive trolls never made a multitude I'm afraid, despite them liking to think they're representative, hell I could even count them on the fingers of my hand, nothing to be really bothered with lol.
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On February 08 2012 12:47 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won! Ignore him man. He's just a troll. I would also censor that post a bit too. He just wants to prompt a reaction to satiate his need for attention, and there no reason for you to get banned because of him.
There's screenshots for trolls like him (hence the proper usage you could make of the word troll you misused here), so he shouldn't bother himself to do so, plus he must not fall back on his words, heh what about his e-reputation?
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On February 08 2012 12:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:47 Bagration wrote:On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won! Ignore him man. He's just a troll. I would also censor that post a bit too. He just wants to prompt a reaction to satiate his need for attention, and there no reason for you to get banned because of him. You're right. I've modified the previous post. Thanks for the heads up (I appreciate it). Ban or no ban... Vile won Nothing can change that... not even a little *beep* *beeeeeeeeep* *beep* *beeeep* *beep* like him.
Go Vile! I hope that they can show some great matches and give the world's top teams a run for their money.
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On February 08 2012 12:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:50 Angelbelow wrote:On February 08 2012 10:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
Yeah Vile! Can't wait to find out who the other teams are. I'm rooting for Liquid/oGs/Esahara (not sure if they can be called this though.. I'd imagine that Liquid still has their partnership with oGs but since oGs is now oGs/e-sahara its possible?) and startale/quantic. Would complete an amazing lineup of teams! Liquids partnership with oGs has never been like that. Its just a living arrangement really. They played in GSTL together, but thats it.
True true. That leaves 2 spots for the 3 popular choices, TL, oGs, and ST/Q.
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On February 08 2012 12:56 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:33 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 08 2012 12:13 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 11:57 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 11:42 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 10:56 SpawnStarcraft wrote:On February 08 2012 10:12 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:25 1Eris1 wrote:On February 08 2012 09:16 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 08 2012 09:02 Bobgrimly wrote:
People are upset because a popularity contest is being won by a team that has players that have popularity or supporters who are popular and using that popularity to win a popularity contest.
I don't see the problem. Actually many differents points have been developped through this thread and they are all far above the idea you made here. One of them, for instance, was that some people were criticizing the fact that some people that would have no knowledge and no interest in neither Vile nor EGMC could still express their vote here because they got told by someone else, for instance Husky and Psy. That was one concern and it is beyond any consideration of skill or popularity, since it actually ruins the idea (wether it is legitimate or not is another question) of popularity related to the actual team selected (as you can be a fan of Husky without knowing or giving a damn f about Vile and vice versa), so the idea of getting a poll to bring a corresponding viewership to the cup is already compromised from an organisator's pov. And that point singularly dismisses yours, as it has nothing to do with a viewer's pov. And what about Millenium telling people who visit their site (and might now watch SC2) to come and vote for them? #hypocrisy You make yourself a great help when you call your syllogisms a logic. Nothing similar with my point, but we got it, caricature seems to be your only talent. Oh, no where did I claim our logic was the same. Only that they both had the same amount of logic and reasoning. (hint: none) I'm pretty sure fans of Millenium might be fans of Millenium, while fans of Husky might not be fans of Vile. #fail analogy Now about your absurd reasoning, you basically did this: make an off-topic (talking about teamleagues when I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements) innacurate (Millenium went far in some teamleagues like 4PL, but for someone misinformed and not afraid to expose its ignorance that may not be a problem for you) and fallacious (A>B>C) statement, recognize its lack of logic, and somehow by the only deciding factor of your good will claim that's similar to my point, without showing anything to would dismiss it, and even recognize that both your example and my point have nothing to do with each other. I called out your clowning, and you still dig further in your hole? Your lack of logic will only show that you can't make a proper statement, if our arguments hold a different logic, from the fallacy of yours you can't claim the fallacy of mine, so why bother trying unless you want to make sure everybody reading this thread acknowledged that you have no grasp about logic notions? If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll, or the evil plan that Husky and PsY constructed to invite people who don't know anything about SCII or any of its tournaments to vote for Team Vile... then at least be honest with yourself as well - because you began talking shit on page#22 before anyone else (vs @1Eris1). So much about your "I made sure to talk about relevant events to mesure achievements" - it's bull and you know it. Later on, when you defend Millenium, you say: "Every player have highs and downs in tournaments they compete, don't pick only on the ones they don't make results." - but you always bring out the worst results from any other team in the poll. Why is that? At one point you call forth logic, a second later you judge anyone else doing so? Calling people "retards" (page#29)... very nice. An insight into your true temper regarding the (at that time) changing results of the poll - so stop pretending to be an all-mighty objective individual who only wants what is fair for everyone, but than again, only if it's more fair for your sake - 'cause it actually makes more bs come out of your mouth. Almost forgot... constantly using different forms of the word "fallacy" more than three times in the same sentence doesn't make you sound smart - it just makes you a douche. Think about it... reflect, if you will. I've met many trolls, but a troll like you - never! You don't belong in this thread - you belong in one of Tolkien's books. Btw. anyone can make a youtube account and make a video in order to support their team, so why the Hell didn't you? And before you call me a hater, a biased voter, or an AntiChrist, do know that I have taken the effort to go through this entire thread, and I CAN see through your bullshit. All of these 40+ pages could have been a normal conversation about cons and pros, but you just had to f*** it up. Congrats, a**hole! - a loyal fan of Team Vile You can be as loyal as you want, it seems that it doesn't help you when it comes to holding a solid slander against someone. If you're going to talk about logic, or fairness of this poll (already off the point here), or the evil plan (stopped being serious here, why can't you make a point without being in the need to compensate its lack of solidity with caricatures, as if it ever works?) [...] - it's bull (you can say bullshit since you already used the word shit a couple of words before) and you know it > wrong assumption made to force your argument, obviously I wouldn't say that if it was bullshit, why would 1) I lie and 2) say something I don't believe? For the 1) you can verify I gave all the tools to do it and others abandonned the idea not quite after a long time and for the 2) common sense will be enough. And I didn't talk shit, you just didn't accept it, it doesn't make it shit for the sake of your sole dis-taste. Then you say I defended Millenium while you put a selective bias into what could be my criterium/intention when saying the sentence you quote, maybe I'm advocating good sense/defending truth and if Millenium, to your own judgement, fall into this, it would be pure coïncidence that we will never know, don't go so easy on such assumptions, it makes you look like a fool playing the internet mind reader, such a trendy profession around here as it seems. Later on you say I pick on the bad results well I can't invent good ones for you own pleasure, show me a major LAN event where the players I named Spanishiwa and Chance placed higher than those places I mentionned? Calling people retards, lol I never did and you try too hard to make it look like I did, white knight-ing is trendy but pretty much alway irrelevant, this time doesn't disappoint, if you can read you will see that I said "you're trying too hard and look like a retard", not quite calling people retards, just telling someone (not people, someone specific) that he is trying too hard and by caricaturizing himself make himself look like what I give him to not be, a retard. If anything I implied the contrary, but you're too busy crusading empty castles. Also it is never an insight about my true temper, that's a notion, when talking about someone else than yourself and moreover words that you can only have a theory about, never an insight. So stay easy about it for the thread's sanity. Now talking about reasons for my feelings is even going deeper, as you have no grasp about them and even though I repeated the contrary of your baseless claims - but hey I guess your entitlement founds better my feelings and real thoughts than what I say and express myself lol. Talking about bs - everything that doesn't go your way seem to be bs. How useful. Using fallacy making me sound like a douche, well that's a property of using a technical word in his precise domain that I didn't know, awesome. Btw talking about fallacy and logics, you just felt into your trap card. You told me I sound like a douche, but you complained that I told someone that he sounded like a retard. Looks like you got hoist with your own petard. Now if I don't belong in this thread, I do, I signed for it, and as I matter of fact, I actually do, since you're reading me. If you disagree you may quit TL, it's their policy, not yours. Now about Tolkien, I'm sure it only depends on me and himself, not quite like he or I have anything to ask you for doing so or not doing so. About the video I don't see how it is related to the topic but If I had the intention of doing so you would sure be informed that I did. And before you call me a /insert anything that makes you fantasm to be called/ well you can still hope/not hope /wait/ not wait, not quite sure to understand what's your fetish here Also yes you can (you just have to believe it I guess, for someone that have no critic sense that would oppose no resistance). And taking a pill of you own medecine, don't call people assholes! (I can see through your * too !) Mr biased and entitled, but proud to have done his duty, for the imaginary griefs I wanted my favorite team to receive, so I could justify my devotion over them, most probably without receiving anything back, on the internet, poster. LOL... my point exactly... you're a donkey raping shit eater. No point in continuing this "conversation" with the "Infallible One". You'll probably grow up to become another Hitler in a decade or so. GL with the poll!... Oh wait... it's over! Vile won! Oh the mask fell... Hi troll. Was it that necessary, in all seriousness, to put so much effort into hidding it only to make it avort when it didn't catch on? No point continuing to embarass yourself indeed, when your last resort is to twist the story and quicky storm out by slamming the door behind you. Too bad there's no such door on the internet and your ill-founded statement will alway come back at you. I'm a /throw your hate here/ well you show much more imagination in your slurs than your actual argumentations, looks like we can see what's you're the most comfortable with. And yeah fall into more caricature, I wonder about your age or mentality if the name of what you use to compare me with don't trigger any last alarm reason in your mind. Eh I don't even know why it is used by e-warriors, it's really overused, not really quite what you want to look like the new shit over here but eh, what do I know about how to be an internet badass. Just because you can't comprehend the intent of imitation doesn't mean it is ill used. You should try understanding the purpose instead of just quickly discarding them as insults. Believe it or not, there is deeper meaning despite you blindly refusing to try and see it. Just because you can't express a proper answer to a point doesn't mean that trying to mock what is actually solid enough to resist your straight arguments either stands a valid argumenation in itself either removes anything from the said point. Now you talk about insults but you fail to understand my point, I'm just talking about validity, nothing personnal, just either a misuse either misunderstanding that I want to clear, for the purpose of having a proper discussion, of langage and its purposes. Now you come with made-up judgements and ad hoc explanations as why I would ever dismiss someone's attempt to answer my point by a clowning and make up conclusions on the fly that he proved the contrary of it because of it, is because I can't understand his point rather than that because I understand that it doesn't stand on the first hand, and that his method of doing so doesn't grants him to claims he wants it to grant on the second hand. Now since you talk about depth, I'm going to go deeper as I will tell you, to answer your invalid point (yes it is a statement, however I back it up), is there any reason why you and the initiator of this imitation can't or don't want to express neither their intent nor the point they want to back up with it? The plot thickens as the blame is not to put on being not understood but 1) being not understandable or 2) being wrong and dismissed. Despite what you want to advance, there's that possibilty, and most probably, considering the need to use this resort and intellectual hijack to bring back your beliefs on the table after them being whiped in a straight fashion, that if it's rejected, it is not because it is not understand, but rather well understood.
It's because when people take a stance on an issue, they have already made up their mind before reading any opposition. Using imitation gets that person to actually come to the reasonable conclusion of their own accord, and obviously if they came upon this of their own devices, then they will obviously be more receptive to said conclusion.
I already know if he tried to articulate what he was trying to say, that you'd have a pre-composed contradictory retort that is neither consistent with the argument presented nor with anything previously stated within the thread. You've repeatedly used this tactic when presented with evidence contrary to your position, thus leading me to assume you are resolute in your stance and no amount of reasoning will make you reconsider. Which is why imitation is a better method of argumentation, as long as the target of said imitation can actually reason what the intent of said imitation is, which doesn't seem to be the case here.
Edit: Also, I don't really care about this thread, I'm just arguing the merits of imitation which you so quickly dismiss without second thought.
Edit 2: Guess what I'm doing right now, with this post.
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On February 08 2012 13:31 snowflax wrote:
vote for Imba FXO
Sorry man, the polls have closed 
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Yay Vile! Great to see them getting more exposure :D
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On February 08 2012 12:59 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hydroxyl, do you realize that no one agrees with you? You are making zero sense. A couple of delusive trolls never made a multitude I'm afraid, despite them liking to think they're representative, hell I could even count them on the fingers of my hand, nothing to be really bothered with lol.
oh look who got banned haha. Vile wins again.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Team Light should be interesting...
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Awesome, voted Vile before the "erruption" of votes and they're in! Hope Hashe gets a crack @ it.
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Hydroxyl I understand you don't like Vile... thats cool. But there are plenty of what you would have to admit as high caliber teams that aren't vile playing. So there is now something for everyone. Sorry if you really wanted a different team but their marketing strategies were flawed and they failed to promote themselves effectively in a POPULARITY CONTEST.
All the arguments you can make are pointless as it boils down to the best advertising sells the product regardless of whether its the best product available.
You can watch and enjoy them and be smug in the fact that you probably won't see vile in the finals. But hey thats what an underdog story in competitions is for... the unknown coming from behind to win or at least put on a good show.
To be honest I will actually check this out now knowing that vile are playing. I would have missed it completely if not for psy pointing out this thread.
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Russian Federation118 Posts
vote for imba.FXOpen
i'm late :<
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Vile!! <3 i think they will go suprisingly far if the NASTL and their preformance against FXOpen was anything to go by
VileFighting
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