EPTUI still sub-par 2 years later. Why don't we care? - Page 51
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Carmine
United States263 Posts
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Areon
United States273 Posts
And if you didn't realize THAT, then you've got a whole other issue to think about. However, for statistics and shared replay watching, you have a good point. But like everything else about the game, it's up to Blizzard. And just like their removal of LAN support, if they don't feel like it they're not going to do it and people are still going to buy the damn game. Kind of a shame, but at this point we can only cross our fingers. User was warned for this post | ||
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
NO. If they make it worse, will less people buy it? NO. Blizzard does not care about the bad UI as long they're making bank. And i think it's safe to say that they could destroy the UI entirely and still sell it, due the games EXTREME popularity. tl;dr: UI is terrible, but it doesnt matter cuz blizzard still gets money. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 12 2012 03:55 Areon wrote: What the hell? You go so far to say you can't "tell whether you're better than your buddy or not" because of league placement? Are you stupid? If you play enough games your MMR WILL reflect that. Honestly, half your complaints about the UI are just silly whining at best. You don't like chat? Well go on Facebook or find a freaking IRC; if you're looking for a social experience why would you be on Starcraft 2? That doesn't make any amount of sense. Chat is fine, there's no way to get the hundreds upon thousands of mods that would fairly moderate SC2 chat, so if you're complaining about player behavior you just need to suck it up and realize most people on the internet are jerks. It seems you have neither properly read the OP, nor have you understood what this issue is about. I'd recommend trying it once again, maybe with a bit more open-mindedness and less of the arrogance and attitude you're currently displaying. Thanks for the bump, though, and try working on becoming a productive member of TL. On February 12 2012 03:57 BushidoSnipr wrote: tl;dr: UI is terrible, but it doesnt matter cuz blizzard still gets money. Well, had you actually read the thread and some of the relevant replies, you'd have noticed that we're actually not braindead and well aware of this (surprise, who'd have thought!). Feel free to browse the thread once again to understand how we feel about this concept, and how we judge Blizzard's general development over the last decade. We've even got a nice number of detailed sources covering exactly this topic. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
The very basic things it should do it does poorly. - The things you want to do, the things you are used to doing in other games, are either difficult, obscure, cumbersome or some combination of all three. The cool and interesting things it could do it doesn't. - The things you dream about it doing, the things which a forward looking developer who knew that the long tail would be built on esports would have planned from the start, simply don't exist. | ||
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KRee
Canada13 Posts
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blarkh
Austria72 Posts
On February 12 2012 03:57 BushidoSnipr wrote: OP clearly has no concept of business.If Blizzard changes the shitty UI, will more people buy it? NO. If they make it worse, will less people buy it? NO. Blizzard does not care about the bad UI as long they're making bank. And i think it's safe to say that they could destroy the UI entirely and still sell it, due the games EXTREME popularity. tl;dr: UI is terrible, but it doesnt matter cuz blizzard still gets money. You might be right about SC2 here, because with all the popularity Blizzard has, everyone's going to want to play that game, just because their previous games were so awesome. But what about Diablo 3? And all the other games to come? Are we really going to buy them if we don't like the way SC2 works? Will we really buy a game where we feel the developer doesn't give a damn about what the community wants? I just don't think so. | ||
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JayDee_
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:36 JayDee_ wrote: Coming from a quake background, I was appalled to learn that the key bindings for SC aren't fully customizeable. IMO you should be able to set any key to any function. I dunno how the old BW players coped with having to hit "p" to make a probe just because the word probe begins with a "p". ridiculous I'm sorry what are you even talking about? Every key in SC2 is fully customizable lol. Have you ever played this game? And to the OP, get over yourself. Who cares about the UI. I care about the game. If I want to chat and socialize I go out with friends. If I want to play starcraft I come on BNet. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:58 RajaF wrote: Who cares about the UI. You must have missed the previous 1007 (in words: one thousand and seven) posts of this thread. Feel free to read them. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On February 12 2012 06:11 Shockk wrote: You must have missed the previous 1007 posts of this thread. Feel free to read them. So 1007 people have nothing else better to do than complain about the most insignificant part of a video game. Man, I wish I had that much free time on my hands. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On February 12 2012 06:14 RajaF wrote: So 1007 people have nothing else better to do than complain about the most insignificant part of a video game. Man, I wish I had that much free time on my hands. Are you serious? Terrible custom lobby, no chat channels, no clan support, no statistics, no shared replays...sounds pretty significant to me. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 12 2012 06:14 RajaF wrote: So 1007 people have nothing else better to do than complain about the most insignificant part of a video game. Man, I wish I had that much free time on my hands. Apparently your free time is precious enough to spend it on smug complaints about people who are discussing things you deem insignificant. Should you be here for more than arrogant and condescending remarks, do take my suggestion of actually reading this thread and its replies seriously. Then you might understand why we care. And why improvements might even benefit your experience, however unlikely you think this might be. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On February 12 2012 06:14 RajaF wrote: So 1007 people have nothing else better to do than complain about the most insignificant part of a video game. Man, I wish I had that much free time on my hands. Says the guy with nearly 500 posts, Who averages 10 posts a week. I thought you had no time to post bro? You have posted in this thread, contributing nothing I may add, more the nearly everyone else. Most people have come, dropped a post supporting the OP and left. You on the other hand feel you have to make it seem like you have a life by posting shit like "I wish I had the time" when it's quite obvious you do. Move on with your grand life and stay out of this thread if you have nothing to contibute. I apolgize for not being able to give the time it took you to read this back. Have a wonderful day. | ||
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godly-cheese
United States67 Posts
 People like RajaF are just one of those people who appreciate TL;DRs...  | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
I would gladly give up the ability to rewind replays if I could show them to my friends. Edit: On February 12 2012 03:57 BushidoSnipr wrote: OP clearly has no concept of business.If Blizzard changes the shitty UI, will more people buy it? NO. If they make it worse, will less people buy it? NO. Blizzard does not care about the bad UI as long they're making bank. And i think it's safe to say that they could destroy the UI entirely and still sell it, due the games EXTREME popularity. tl;dr: UI is terrible, but it doesnt matter cuz blizzard still gets money. This is incorrect. They got away with it for sc2, they won't get away with it on hots, lotv, etc so easily. Of all my friends that enjoyed bw for years that instantly bought sc2 on day 1, only 2-3 are willing to buy an sc2 expansion at this point. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On February 12 2012 05:58 RajaF wrote: I'm sorry what are you even talking about? Every key in SC2 is fully customizable lol. Have you ever played this game? I was talking/venting about BW. Hence "SC" not "SC2". | ||
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Look, it's great if the UI and everything works for you. And if you prefer to use external tools over the convenience of having features available in the game itself, go ahead. I have no idea why someone would prefer that, but alright. B.net 1.0, or B.Net Perfect, or whatever, will never be as good as Skype or Ventrillo, something that a company has specifically worked on for years. It's called specialization in economics, but the idea is basically why would I care about b.net 2.0 chat when there already exists a chat that was made by people who's only job is to make a good chat system. Secondly, I could care less about chat. I really could care less. I have a gf to socialize, a forum (TL), friends, and conventions to talk SC with, I don't want to talk to randoms on the internet. That's the whole point of the internet, excuse me if I'm the only guy who plays video games that doesn't want to talk to strangers. Third, I think the current system is great. B.Net 1.0 was way worse than 2.0, I don't know how you can think any other way (oh right, you could re-create accounts any time to renew your ladder record because you didn't get 5 straight wins on the first 5 games, or make a new name, because your name is soooo important, no one knows that "Cale" is an EG player). If nothing changes, there'll be no community left actively playing and enjoying the game by the time LOTV is balanced. Sure. That's not an over-exageration if I've heard one. If blizzard doesn't implement chat channels, everyone will just sit around with their thumbs up their asses, you know, instead of figuring out alternative solutions (like everyone already has done, by going to reddit, /v/, TL, ventrillo, skype, etc). I hate clans, I hate clan support in games, but disregarding that, everyone knows what clan people are in. You don't need an ugly tag to remind us of that every time. Maybe we should bash games for not including a "My Sponsors" page on your profile too? BW didn't have clan support either. You just make new accounts every day (that was helpful when it came to hacking, hmm). Custom games are secondary in SC, as is team play. I like 1v1. Sorry. I think most dedicated players would agree with that. People who have been playing BW for 10 years aren't people who play customs or team games, they are people who have stuck with 1v1 the whole time. 10 years from now, custom gamers and team gamers are going to jump ship to the next RTS game or COD game or WoW. Shared replays are cool, but again, secondary. And the ladder system right now is made to appeal to people who whine about where they are, or say "Yea I'm gold but I'm really platinum material". And quite frankly, unless you are high masters (where you can accurately compare your rank vs other people), your one of the people who the current system is helping full good about yourself. think we've done a halfway decent job so far of staying polite and informative despite this being a topic we're very passionate about. You could return the favor by not calling our concerns "shit" and treating this discussion with sarcasm and contempt. I don't mean to be offensive, it's just my view on things, it really is. I don't get upset when people say "Pistachio Almond ice cream tastes like shit", it's just they have a different preference. Please understand it's my view on chat UI and clan support, not you. You guys make it out like Blizzard is intentionally leaving this stuff out. At blizzon they even said they had someone who's specific job, 24/7/365, was JUST to make the game results page prettier. And for every page of "Wheres the Chat/Clan/Etc support?" there are 10 balance whine pages, map flaw pages, game bug pages, and "Wheres HOTS?" pages. Now that doesn't make it right, but when they get 10 to 1 in regards to new maps, or balance, then yea, you bet they might have a different priority, and rightly so. I mean come on. What would you prefer. 3 range roaches? Or chat channels? 2 pylon wide ramps? Or clan support? They alkready added a shitton of features to observer view on viewing games/replays, but I guess that just means blizzard is still being lazy right? Those assholes, this all has some way of increasing their profit margins to neglect clan support! The idea that it's a very small team (what is it, only 3 people on balance this whole time right?) who have limited time and must select what they can do, the art, and coding behind everything, is nonsense! Because I'm pretty sure if this game still had rax before depot, 3 range roaches, reaper speed before fact, void ray speed, higher void ray charge damage, always-regenerating roaches, 1 supply roaches, i guarantee that this game and the tournament scene would've died a LONG time ago. | ||
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TKHawkins
United States103 Posts
On February 12 2012 03:57 BushidoSnipr wrote: OP clearly has no concept of business.If Blizzard changes the shitty UI, will more people buy it? NO. If they make it worse, will less people buy it? NO. Blizzard does not care about the bad UI as long they're making bank. And i think it's safe to say that they could destroy the UI entirely and still sell it, due the games EXTREME popularity. tl;dr: UI is terrible, but it doesnt matter cuz blizzard still gets money. If they make it better will people like me who have quit decide to change there mind and get HOTS? YES (maybe) Any buisness has to put out a quality product to maintain growth. You can't release shitty products and just expect to keep making money in the future. If D3 is terrible, will you buy Blizzard's next game "because it's Blizzard"? Or will you be more hesistant and think twice about it. | ||
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