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Carmac responds to IEM Criticism: "Bring on the pitchforks…

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benDover!
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Romania19 Posts
January 19 2012 23:55 GMT
#161
At least do a rematch of the last map between NIghtEnD and Zenio, it only seems fare, that last battle was like robbing the romanian player from the victory. Also i don't get it couldn't you like bring two pc's for SC2, afterall it was 1 game at a time, how hard is to get two good pc's in that venue and put the players to play at those, with the proper inet connection.
To be or to BEEhhhEEEE!
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
January 19 2012 23:57 GMT
#162
On January 20 2012 08:54 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 08:49 obsKura wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:42 Thorzain wrote:
Everyone i spoke to that are at the event (4-5 players) were telling me that the computers were the issue, that they were crap. Not that the connection was faulty.


yeah - and Blizzard gets all the shit which doesn't make any sense here

RotterdaM already pointed out after one of the lag games that it looked like PC lag for the specific player (too high graphics used on too shitty PC), where it starts lagging in a big 200/200 fight


You see if there was LAN mode, Shitty computers transform into supercomputers that can handle anything.


hahaha trololol
Information is everything
ReadySetFire
Profile Joined October 2011
Kuwait545 Posts
January 19 2012 23:57 GMT
#163
On January 20 2012 07:02 Tumor wrote:
Give us lan... or tournament server for the big ones... no problem for blizzard... and we can set up streams with mobile internet shit -.-

I heard that the computers were at fault here. Not the servers
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
January 19 2012 23:58 GMT
#164
idk, i'm just irritated that what was an instant ban in brood war continues to be condoned in sc2, namely people making LR threads and not updating them properly, i have no idea who went through in group 1 even after clicking on the spoilers
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 00:01:57
January 20 2012 00:00 GMT
#165
On January 20 2012 08:58 sixfour wrote:
idk, i'm just irritated that what was an instant ban in brood war continues to be condoned in sc2, namely people making LR threads and not updating them properly, i have no idea who went through in group 1 even after clicking on the spoilers


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Kiev#Group_Stage

EDIT: and to clarify about White-Ra/Strelok/NaNiwa: nani has more mapwins, and White-Ra won his game vs Strelok. I believe they value;

points>maps won/lost>internal meetings>more games
Information is everything
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
January 20 2012 00:00 GMT
#166
I hope IEM picks up like MLG did after Dallas. Major investments in infrastructure, personnel and production. Create a better structure - especially for communication to your viewers.

I enjoyed a game or two but overall was left with a bitter taste after today. Here's hoping for a better tomorrow and better preparation for Brazil and WC.
pe6ousa
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5 Posts
January 20 2012 00:00 GMT
#167
If Carmac is saying that they were rolling 2x 100mbit connections (one of which was for gaming) then the problem of network lag can probably be excluded providing that the network cards on the computers are not set to something ridiculous like 10mbit/s. Why don't they just say how much fps players are getting in game?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 00:01:40
January 20 2012 00:01 GMT
#168
On January 20 2012 08:58 sixfour wrote:
idk, i'm just irritated that what was an instant ban in brood war continues to be condoned in sc2, namely people making LR threads and not updating them properly, i have no idea who went through in group 1 even after clicking on the spoilers
Not sure if serious, but:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Kiev
Attention: spoilers!
(oops, ninja'd)
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
January 20 2012 00:03 GMT
#169
lol at people linking to liquipedia, that liquipedia exists is no excuse for OP laziness. carry on.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
January 20 2012 00:04 GMT
#170
I guess Carmac should have some props for speaking. But..

It doesn't cut it. Naniwa already got a lot of bad talk because of this, a lot of players are probably in their hotel room swearing right now.

If there actually is a routing issue from the arena ISP to the Telia bnet servers, why didn't it show before at earlier competitions? Sure, there may have been changes but it isn't very likely that it would change for the worse considering how the Internet is evolving and how well built the EU network is built.

From what people are saying it is pretty damn obvious that the actual PC's being used for playing are sub par. 1.6 is not relevant for this discussion at all since it has LAN support and runs at literally 500 fps on my four year old laptop in a public server with 24 players. I don't know about LoL but I doubt it eats computing power(both cpu and gpu) like SC2 does. A 150+ food fight at a minimum 60fps is actually really demanding. We even saw the lag popup several times today which clearly indicates that the computer(s) were struggling. Sometimes it only showed as spikes, which could be a network issue but again - from what "we heard" there were issues with low fps from time to time.

Let's cross our fingers for the rest of the event I am sharpening my pitchforks though, might come in handy on sunday.
InternalSync
Profile Joined December 2011
176 Posts
January 20 2012 00:06 GMT
#171
I'm happy NightEnd got his rematch, but what about Grubby? Two exact same situations, one players gets a rematch, but the other one doesn't. Or are you gonna put this on Blizzard too?
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
January 20 2012 00:07 GMT
#172
Well thats nice. but lets all TRY AND BE NICE TO EACH OTHER PLEASE!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
NeoSlicerZ
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland470 Posts
January 20 2012 00:08 GMT
#173
Who exactly called that that game should have been a regame... zenio had 2-3 mining bases vs Nightend's 0, even if nightend had won that fight he was never going to win the next one, esp with zenio's spine collection.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3759 Posts
January 20 2012 00:10 GMT
#174
On January 20 2012 08:20 sd_andeh wrote:
Wow, basically half the posts on here talk about blizzard and bnet. THIS WASN'T A BATTLE.NET ISSUE.

The issue was the computers. They simply weren't good enough, and some worse than others due to a so far unexplained reason (as Carmac stated they all have the same specs, yet no reason why some computers lagged worse than others).

Get it to your heads that this was indeed IEM's fault, and not even remotely close to Blizzard's fault. Battle.net was fine. The internetconnection was fine.

We should all appreciate the post by Carmac though and sincerely hope that the problems are fixed tomorrow. Until then, we can just pray.

Routing problem is quite different from "they weren't good enough". Stop trolling.
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
January 20 2012 00:11 GMT
#175
The fault is not on them , its blizzard/battle.net fault..

Why not give players a Lan mode ? most people play online anyway , and the game would have much more players.. but no... not like the first starcraft because that way the games would not be on blizzards servers.. =(

GSL had players lagging out and much more tourneys had lag problems , so its not IEM fault.. breaks players concentration and spectator interest.. thanks blizzard for SC2 , FU for not giving LAN mode
ja foste
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
January 20 2012 00:11 GMT
#176
On January 20 2012 09:06 InternalSync wrote:
I'm happy NightEnd got his rematch, but what about Grubby? Two exact same situations, one players gets a rematch, but the other one doesn't. Or are you gonna put this on Blizzard too?


Good call. IEM has to make some statement about this. What qualifies a game to be replayed? Which players "deserve" re-games? Will you allow NaNiwa to play Strelok again, as well? Or is NightEnd vs Zenio being replayed only because it decided whether or not NightEnd advances?

About what HuK said as well: it seems Zenio didn't even agree to this. Official statements are needed!
Information is everything
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3759 Posts
January 20 2012 00:12 GMT
#177
On January 20 2012 08:04 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 07:57 nimdil wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:39 Adebisi wrote:
WhiteRA calling it "playable" is just wrong IMO. Any amount of lag is just unacceptable, I really think Blizzard needs to step in and provide some kind of portable LAN functionality or tournament servers, I don't understand how people can take SC2 seriously when thousands and thousands of dollars are riding on games where there is lag, it devalues the competitiveness of the game.

I really feel this is more Blizzard's fault than IEMs...

Props to Carmac for being transparent on the issue.

Exactly what I wanted to say.

Blizzard - just give us LAN.

Blizzard has to report to activision, thus we'll never get LAN

I remember someone from Blizzard mentioning on BlizzCon 2011 developing local server to set-up inside LAN so I don't see your point.

The best scenario would be if a bunch of really hard-core hackers would develop such a LAN server. It would probably be illegal but it could potenatially force Blizzard to develop legal one.

I really hope the LAN server would be developed by Heart of the Swarm.
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
January 20 2012 00:14 GMT
#178
On January 20 2012 06:34 Tommylew wrote:
how about nigthend losing a battle where he may of won in the game three???

whata joke...


On January 20 2012 06:33 Skillver wrote:
Please apologize to Nightend, he lost the game due to lag!



On January 20 2012 06:41 Vadrigar wrote:
Add Nightend to the list. In his last game vs. Zenio it was OBVIOUS PC lag that caused him no to control his stalkers right! He was basically robbed.


I am with you guys in that! I was watching one of the most amazing games simply because of how he was behind all the time, countering mutas at his main all the time while trying to attack a bit Zenio. Then he sniped all of Zenio's infestors and then began owning Zenio's brood lords only to begin lagging like crazy and not be able to control his army! :/

I even think he deserves a rematch!
http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/296431601 <------Suscribe! Casts in Spanish :) |||| http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/300285215<----- CSL: Before Sunday! Episode 3!
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
January 20 2012 00:16 GMT
#179
Props to NaNi.
Historically, he has had some emotional outburst issues, but he was a total baller and won his group like a champ, no excuses or whining or anything.
NaNi, you have won my heart. <3
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
January 20 2012 00:19 GMT
#180
meh

whole day leaves a shitty taste in my mouth but carmac's post makes it a little better
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